reply to post by shamhat
First, you are engaging in an at of sexual reproduction that just happens to feel good. Its evolutionary purpose wasn't for pleasure. So when
people say that they didn't "choose" to become pregnant it reminds me of the drunk driver's excuse that they didn't mean to hurt anyone.
Well, are you a liar or stupid? It is a direct consequence of your action. Had you not been driving no one would have been killed. You weren't
drunk when you chose to drive to the bar or party, so in your sober mind you were coherent enough to make that choice. You knew what negative
possibilities could ensue if you decided to drink and your sober self made the decision.
The drunk driver is responsible for his actions and the poor choice he made.
People know that heterosexual vaginal intercourse makes babies. They know that birth control is not foolproof. They know that unprotected sex can
also lead to disease. Those that don't should remove themselves from the genepool through sterilization for being a willfully uninformed idiot.
The two involved in sexual reproduction make that choice prior to having sex, they choose to deny that it was a "choice" after.
You don't write checks without money in the bank, so why have sex if you can't afford a baby?
Because it feels good? So do blowjobs and they don't result in kids. So does a vibrator and that doesn't result in kids. So does smoking pot and
that doesn't result in kids.
In HIV/AIDS prevention we promote condoms all the time because of their success rate, and yet if you read ATS we are the world's most irresponsible,
murdering schmucks on the planet for promoting condoms! Everyone here who is Pro-Choice either was a product of a broken condom or has a friend who
had the condom break resulting in a baby. Who'd have thunk it? Why then would we risk the lives of our clients by handing them out to prevent
Maybe Bush was right when he called for abstinence only?
I just want some honest debate, some acknowledgment that people do in fact not think about the consequences of their actions until it bites them on
the ass, then
instead of promoting after the fact solutions like abortion or HIV/AIDS, herpes, and HEP treatments we can put money into
education, awareness, and prevention tools.
Quite frankly, I am tired of the whole "abortion" thing. The points made by this OP are entirely valid and women have had undue control because of
the way civil liberties were interpreted. What I don't want to see happen is what the OP and several other posters described. Children don't
deserve this BS. They don't deserve to be at the mercy of adults whims.
We can't ask for personal accountability from individuals because that would be judging (although we all judge each other daily).
We can't suggest any constraints whatsoever because we must ignore the majority of cases and focus on the freakish ones (even though we don't do
that anywhere else in life).
No we must plow forward with no thought to future repercussions involving designer babies and eugenics because right now and our immediate convenience
is more important.
This whole issue deserves a well-thought out, no fallacies appealing to popularity, emotion, or straw men, and discuss what our current practice does
to our society and the future of our society. Then having "war gamed" our current or revised strategy out to its ultimate and final
conclusion...then we proceed forward.