reply to post by midicon
Whitman is great, but I have not read that poem. He revelled in the body, but integrated all experience. He was a unifyer, who, if you read between
the lines, knew that all was one.
So, really, division is the problem. Thinking you are everything is the same as thinking you are nothing. The problem comes when you think you are
something among other things. In such cases you are dividing the world, existence, being, what is, or whatever you want to call it. A while ago, I
wrote this post about Jiddu Krishnamurti, and how he sees the mind/ego and division:
The mind operates through division, which is the same thing as quantification. This is its fundamental activity. Every other activity of the
mind--such as measurement or analysis--flows from division and is dependant upon division. Everything that the mind generates/perceives is as a result
of that basic isolating, dividing or quantifying action. Anything that the mind cannot determine the limits of—anything that it calls
"infinite"—also cannot be held in the mind and manipulated. That which cannot be quantified is essentially outside the capabilities of the mind
and therefore useless to the mind.
The mind uses division to create the concepts of space and time, as well as its own ego or sense of separateness. So we see that space, as a concept,
is not possible unless the mind can distinguish and separate visual phenomena, and then create a conceptual stage for those phenomena which it
separates from all other concepts and calls "space." Likewise, time as a concept is not possible unless the mind can further subdivide appearances
of phenomena in space along an imaginary continuum, and then take that conceptual continuum itself, separate it from other concepts and call it
"time." The ego also cannot exist without the mind’s ability to separate one quantity from another--in this case that involves isolating/opposing
the self and its attributes and desires in relation to others and their attributes and desires.
This whole discussion becomes more interesting if we then see that the mind is in fact also artificial because division itself creates it. Just like
that which the mind creates, the mind as a concept is itself a creation of division and cannot exist without it. I think this is essential for
Krishnamurti. If someone wants to deal with his or her ego and overactive, negative mind, it is a mistake to position the mind or ego as separate,
something to be opposed and dominated. The awareness is falling into a trap if it itself isolates mind into a separate entity. If it does this then it
is itself employing division (and is therefore more appropriately called mind). Instead the awareness should locate the urge to create division
itself, and eliminate that from its fundamental worldview. From this point compassion and engagement can flow naturally. Other people, the earth,
animals, all of it can be recognized as no more than appearences of one unified energy (or whatever you want to call it...being, god, etc), and cared
for accordingly. It is important to note that this way of seeing the world is not conceptual, but is actually a mode or way of being--operating from
pure awareness, and understanding that division is a practical tool for manifesting its essential nature (call it universal love) and nothing more.
[edit on 10-6-2010 by Silenceisall]