"Democracy is Dead, Lobbyists Rule America" - Marketwatch article!

reply to post by Maxmars


That post said "wealthy gene pools", and I would guess that could have a deeper genetic preservation/manipulation connection. In effect they are preparing for a meltdown that they are creating by stockpiling resources, and this reeks of the Illuminati.

Way too obvious for me to feel comfortable.

Originally posted by vBreezo

#1 STOP FILING TAX RETURNS. You will still be paying taxes - the compulsory deduction from your paycheck will continue. But change your filing status to 6 or more dependents and DO NOT file a federal or state return.
Millions of people already do this. IF the non-filers increase to a substantial number, say 10's of millions, it would be the most effective protest movement ever organized. No need for street protests, petitions, letters to the editor, etc. Just do not cooperate with the collection agency - the IRS.

It would help immensely if americans would practice jury nullification and refuse to convict tax evaders. Unfortunately as the ed brown and wesley snipes cases have shown, americans are idiots and have the philosophy "lock up the tax cheats."

Originally posted by mrpotatohead


Our form of government has slippped out of our hands, bribed out from under us by a endless stream of entitlements to the masses.

The masses are not bribing congress for entitlements. It's the rich and powerful minority that does the bribing.

Hey all you that swore to defend the constitution, both active and reserve.

Did you read the article? Any thought on defending the country from enemies domestic?

Or are those just words.

Originally posted by wantsome

Americans are too gutless for something like that. In all honsest they don't give a crap they're too busy living thier self indulgant cunsumer life style. The rich give them just enough toys so that they don't question the system.

I agree that a majority of the population hasn't given a damn since the 70's, we've just been living it up on the successive financial bubbles since then. Even the 90's recession was just a bump.

But I think the house of cards is tumbling, and the Corps. and their lobbyist/pet politicians are making grabs to protect their unseemly wealth that we have donated in our credit fueled daze. This will be the coffin nails in our so-called "rights" and "freedoms.

You can have anything you want, as long as the elites get their's first.

So, it's going to come to self-reliance one way or another. If the system goes down we will be on our own. So why not let's all try to be more self sufficient now and get a head start.

The thing that scares me are these peeps that watch Brooke Hogan and those "reality" type shows on TV and try to emulate that lifestyle. They will be starving in the streets if they don't wake up and learn, if you want to eat, you have to grow it or kill it.

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This sort of nullifies the "America is sliding into Socialism" rant by the Right wing doesn't it?

A Corpratracy perhaps........

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But I think the house of cards is tumbling, and the Corps. and their lobbyist/pet politicians are making grabs to protect their unseemly wealth that we have donated in our credit fueled daze. This will be the coffin nails in our so-called "rights" and "freedoms.

I think that was their mistake!! It is a "Credit Fueled Rage" which means, it never actually happened!! We never gave them any money, we just took their stuff and promised to pay later! Therefore, when the cards come tumbling down, us poor people are no worse off, but the ones holding all the paper are destroyed!!

[wringing hands evilly] I can't wait! Ever hear the country song with the line, "Somebody told us Wall Street Fell, but we were so poor we couldn't tell!"

I thought deeper about the article and it popped into my mind that this is the perfect way to show just how the few lead the many. There are still some people who can't grasp just what we mean by "the powers that be" and the "new world order".

They think that implies a very small group of people making all the rules. Screwing us all over. Then the make the jump from that and think about the rest of us and they decide it doesn't make any sense after that. Therefore, this who TPTB and NWO is a bunch of bull.

This article fills in the gaps that non-"believers" fail to see.

261,000 lobbyists all doing work for someone further up the hierarchy paying off and convincing government "servants" to do things that benefit ONLY their bosses. Their bosses who only care about 1. money and 2. power.

That's it. That's all

Nowhere in that article is the interests of America spoken about. No where in those 16 points is the good of the world mentioned. No compassion, no emotion, no soul. Just:

1. Money
2. Power

Now do you see how it's possible for the few to rule the many? Do you see how we are at the bottom of the pyramid? How the lobbyists are doing the bidding for those at the top.

I think we just found the one piece of the pyramid that, if we remove it, it will topple.

We gotta lose these lobbyists.

What are your Ideas for a solution?

Here is one from 1993:

As the editor of the Virginia State Perot Newsletter, and as a founder of the original Patriot Party of Virginia in 1992, (which was later the subject of a hostile take over bid by Leona Fulinari and the Black Socialist Workers Party, at which time, when I found out, I sent a message (I wish I had a copy of that memo to post) to my delegates in Virginia and we walked out and scuttled the Party...and sank what we had created rather than be co-opted by Leona Fulinari's people.

Anyway I was contacted by The Congressional Institute.

I went down there (On Pennsylvania Ave 4 blocks from the capitol, South East DC) to their offices, and met with Jerry Clymer who introduced me to two men, investment bankers, The Harriman brothers, who wanted to know if "Just Folks" would be able to understand that what we needed was MORE congressmen, smaller districts, and no staffers.

Their plan was called "Why 435?" LINK

The Plan had some intriguing ideas but the key question I was asked was:

Could this idea be sold to the American People..

Sadly, I had to tell them NO I doubted that people would understand that Congress needed to be bigger...by a factor of 5...

The offer was, "We would like to invest money and be repayed in the coin of Congressional Reform."

I thought that a memorable line, but lacked the experience and confidence to swallow the offer, and the "web" had just started..at that time...

How I wish someone would approach with such an offer today..

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There isn't enough paper to print a list of examples of America being for sale. it is bought and sold daily. Check out a list of who owns most of our national debt. I'm surprised Chinease isn't taught in school more. America as a nation has sold everything they could to finance our debt. We don't own anything, and we don't make anything anymore. I would bet my pay check(if I had a job) that the US has given away military technology in exchange for favorable terms on it's national debt.

We are running out of things to bargain with. The US is like a habitual gambler looking for a loan from anybody who will give it to him, so that he can make back what he's lost from gambling. No one wants to loan us any more money. We have reached the end of the line. What comes next, I don't even want to think about.

Here's another lobbyist related story, apparently money isn't the only thing they offer our corrupt law makers, the special interests send whores for them as well...

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Southern California Assemblyman Mike Duvall has resigned after he was recorded bragging about sex prior to a committee meeting.

Duvall, 54, could be heard boasting about having sex with female lobbyists.

He was removed from two key leadership posts and faced an ethics investigation after the recordings were heard.

Duvall said via his campaign Web site it would not be fair to his family, constituents or friends to remain on the job.

The kicker is, he was given an ethics award, lol...

According to Duvall's Assembly Web site, Chapman University awarded him the Ethics in America Award in 2000 for his "demonstration of the highest standards of ethical integrity" while a member of the Chamber of Commerce team.

He was also named Legislator of the Year in 2008 by the California Attractions and Parks Association, according to his campaign Web site.
www.kcra.com...

These lobbyists are something else, no problem letting some nasty old dude slap his balls against them as long as they get what they want in return. Disgusting.

This just in: Market Watch March 1st LINK

....America's becoming the world's first "Capitalist Anarchy," thanks to the explosion of lobbyists running government. This trend shows no sign of abating. Imagine: 42,000 Washington lobbyists today, versus a handful in 1975. Other experts estimate 261,000 of these selfish special-interest "influence peddlers" throughout our nation. And it's so bad the Center for Public Integrity just reported that "more than 1,750 companies and organizations hired about 4,525 lobbyists, eight for each member of Congress, to influence health-reform bills in 2009." Worse: this emerging "Capitalist Anarchy" is draining the Treasury with endless deficits piling up more killer debt that will negatively impact future market returns.

Government
OF the money,
BY the money and
FOR the money

I wrote a post in another thread today that may be worth reading...

LINK to what the "corporate Feds' fear most of all

Even regimes as heavy handed as Romania's Nicolae Ceauşescu's were toppled by the "little people" all taking to the streets in protest. Yes it got nasty, but it will get nastier as we sit on our hands any longer

Originally posted by whaaa
This sort of nullifies the "America is sliding into Socialism" rant by the Right wing doesn't it?

A Corpratracy perhaps........

Indeed! seems that awareness of said corpratocracy is propagating... perhaps this will help do so:

The Left Right Paradigm is Over: Its You vs. Corporations
By Barry Ritholtz - September 27th, 2010, 9:30A

Excerpt:
The Individual has been supplanted in the political process nearly entirely by corporate money, legislative influence, campaign contributions, even free speech rights.

This may not be a brilliant insight, but it is surely an overlooked one. It is now an Individual vs. Corporate debate – and the Humans are losing.

Consider:

• Many of the regulations that govern energy and banking sector were written by Corporations;

• The biggest influence on legislative votes is often Corporate Lobbying;

• Corporate ability to extend copyright far beyond what original protections amounts to a taking of public works for private corporate usage;

• PAC and campaign finance by Corporations has supplanted individual donations to elections;

• The individuals’ right to seek redress in court has been under attack for decades, limiting their options.

• DRM and content protection undercuts the individual’s ability to use purchased content as they see fit;

• Patent protections are continually weakened. Deep pocketed corporations can usurp inventions almost at will;

• The Supreme Court has ruled that Corporations have Free Speech rights equivalent to people; (So much for original intent!)

None of these are Democrat/Republican conflicts, but rather, are corporate vs. individual issues.

LINKto Source Article

reply to post by 27jd


Re the rep having sex with the lobbyist...

I was present during a presentation given at a big beltway lobby firm and the city manager of a major us city that desired help getting Federal dollars....

The firm wheeled out it's two most attractive young lobbyists... to conduct the slide show, one was a lovely gal and the other was a handsome young black man. Both put their heart into it.

Some lobby firms hire from the bottom 1/3 rd of graduating classes - that is, if you are extremely physically attractive.

An effective lobbyist gets access to congressmen and senators and their chief of staff. If you were from the bottom 3rd of your graduating class and you had a body that men might die for, what would you do, to be 'an effective lobbyist' for your firm?

Yes it is this bad, I have seen it.

What I have not seen is likely worse than I can imagine.

Seataka

reply to post by Make Speed Limit 45
Juries are carefully screened by the courts to eliminate anyone who would not be inclined to side with the courts.

A good jury is the courts lap-dog,who take the instructions from the judge,even though they are there to cancel out his authority in the event someone does not trust the courts....

This is jury tampering,absolutely unlawful,but they do it.

Talking to fellow jurors,handing out flyers about jury nullification,is considered jury tampering by the courts.

The system is rigged,and has been for a long time.

I know this from personal experience.

Nationwide strike,but organize,no mayhem.

Oh yeah!!!,learn what is up before you act,don't rely on anyone else to teach you what to think.

That's how we find ourselves in this place where we are now.