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President Obama appealed Wednesday to faith-based groups to help garner support for his plan to overhaul the nation's health care system.
"I need you to knock on doors, talk to neighbors, spread the facts and speak the truth,"
"These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call."
If only Americans could change their name to AIG, only then will thy brother show up.
The other factor is racism.
Your point sounds interesting especially considering many whites voted Obama.
IMO, if Obama had focused on the economy and revived the economy, his healthcare plan would have passed in a New York minute. People care less when things are all rosy.
Originally posted by Gorman91
I agree with him. I just don't agree that government should be forcing such a thing. Being your brother's keeper by your own free will is a beauty like few others. Being your brother's keeper by government law is fascism pure and simple.
None the less, I'm a socialist and want a single payer system because I don't think people's lives should be an object of corporate involvement.
But on another not, this is the wealthiest nation? Yea right, not anymore. We're freaking strong in name only.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by jam321
If only Americans could change their name to AIG, only then will thy brother show up.
or GOLDMAN SACHS.
Unfortunately, most people still don't know the real problems yet..nor do they really understand the ones they DO know, they're just angry. I think much of it is rollover from the bank bailouts and the stimulus package that has yet to seemingly make an impact.
The other factor is racism. People can deny it till they are blue in the face but it's true.
I think it's one of the main reasons why the corruption is finally coming to light. People are wanting to tear him down so badly that the entire system is being shown to be a sham.
People may think I'm wrong...but I think I'm right.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by jam321
IMO, if Obama had focused on the economy and revived the economy, his healthcare plan would have passed in a New York minute. People care less when things are all rosy.
Well I think much of the problem is that they passed a couple 1000+ page bills before this healthcare and now we have...what is it...3? versions of healthcare written by God knows who...
If he had tried doing healthcare first...he (and by he I mean Liberals who wanted a single payer option) may have gotten it.
This whole thing was set up for failure IMO.
I'm not saying I'm for single payer either...but whatever bill passes will be garbage...I guarantee it.
[edit on 19-8-2009 by David9176]
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by jam321
IMO, if Obama had focused on the economy and revived the economy, his healthcare plan would have passed in a New York minute. People care less when things are all rosy.
Well I think much of the problem is that they passed a couple 1000+ page bills before this healthcare and now we have...what is it...3? versions of healthcare written by God knows who...
If he had tried doing healthcare first...he (and by he I mean Liberals who wanted a single payer option) may have gotten it.
This whole thing was set up for failure IMO.
I'm not saying I'm for single payer either...but whatever bill passes will be garbage...I guarantee it.
[edit on 19-8-2009 by David9176]
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Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator
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Cripes. WTF are they thinking? After the other gigantic bills that have passed that many people did not back were passed through without being read...now this?
I understand many of the problems as showed in your previous post. Everything is a mess. I'm not necessarily against universal health care...I just don't want to go the government route.
This is what I don't understand...
If we know government is corrupted by corporate power...then why should we trust them to pass anything legit now?
IMO, before any real debate can be made, corporate influence has to be gone in government or anything that passes will be tainted.
As I stated earlier....people know government is corrupt...they just don't know why.
You'll never see anyone in the MSM criticizing CEO's and their stockholders. Hell, Fox News makes CEO's look like great guys.
...but MSNBC and CNN won't demonize each other either...unless it's for ratings.
I don't see any CEO's from the health insurance industry out in the media saying they want the best for everyone. It's BS...and it's time we all wake up to it.
People will always have the right to live as far as I'm concerned and I don't really give a damn if someone profits from it or not as long as it's done.
And there are lots of things that could be done...but you won't hear ANYONE..NO ONE....talk about breaking up the health insurance companies by enforcing anti-trust laws on them to kill the monopoly they have.
Until some leadership starts doing this we'll continue to go down the tubes.
I don't think you'll get single payer MM...I just don't see it happening...and if it does....it won't be what you want....if that is what you want? Not sure of what you feel about it.
I just feel we need campaign finance reform and a whole new slew of representatives and senators before I can put faith in anything done at this point.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by VinceP1974
We do have to help the poor. However the government's role should be to do things like lower taxes and create incentives to higher more people. The role of helping the poor first hand is in the civilian willing force, not some government.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator
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Cripes. WTF are they thinking? After the other gigantic bills that have passed that many people did not back were passed through without being read...now this?
I understand many of the problems as showed in your previous post. Everything is a mess. I'm not necessarily against universal health care...I just don't want to go the government route.
This is what I don't understand...
If we know government is corrupted by corporate power...then why should we trust them to pass anything legit now?
IMO, before any real debate can be made, corporate influence has to be gone in government or anything that passes will be tainted.
As I stated earlier....people know government is corrupt...they just don't know why.
You'll never see anyone in the MSM criticizing CEO's and their stockholders. Hell, Fox News makes CEO's look like great guys....but MSNBC and CNN won't demonize each other either...unless it's for ratings.
I don't see any CEO's from the health insurance industry out in the media saying they want the best for everyone. It's BS...and it's time we all wake up to it.
People will always have the right to live as far as I'm concerned and I don't really give a damn if someone profits from it or not as long as it's done.
And there are lots of things that could be done...but you won't hear ANYONE..NO ONE....talk about breaking up the health insurance companies by enforcing anti-trust laws on them to kill the monopoly they have.
Until some leadership starts doing this we'll continue to go down the tubes.
I don't think you'll get single payer MM...I just don't see it happening...and if it does....it won't be what you want....if that is what you want? Not sure of what you feel about it.
I just feel we need campaign finance reform and a whole new slew of representatives and senators before I can put faith in anything done at this point.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator
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Cripes. WTF are they thinking? After the other gigantic bills that have passed that many people did not back were passed through without being read...now this?
I understand many of the problems as showed in your previous post. Everything is a mess. I'm not necessarily against universal health care...I just don't want to go the government route.
This is what I don't understand...
If we know government is corrupted by corporate power...then why should we trust them to pass anything legit now?
Governments corrupt the corporations and themselves by interfering into areas it does not belong and create the incentive for corruption.
IMO, before any real debate can be made, corporate influence has to be gone in government or anything that passes will be tainted.
The only way to remove the influence of the corporation is for the government to not interfere with it.
It's unavoidable , guaranteed action-reaction truth that if a government seeks to use the political process to affect the business of an organization than that organization and the people who own it, work for it, are paid by it, will act in their self interest in the political process.
Originally posted by mental modulator
Well I am convinced you are on a pay role...
Well I think the first thing to do would be campaign finance reform...
You are right, to fully address this our "leaders" need to know who they are working for.
This is where we need to start... The right and left can agree on this -