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Hawaii is not legally a state/ Obamah is a usurper.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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This is all dependent on a belief that US laws and powers are given to them by the UN. What the UN declares has no power at all within the US. The US has long been a nation whose laws came from people and God.

The UN has no standing to rule on the legitimacy of Hawaii's statehood. Hawaii was seized, just as was most of the US. Legally this article changes no facts. It has it legal process and justification backwards. If anything it more argues for why Hawaiian citizens should receive compensation for past actions. Much like Native Americans.

I am not an Obama fan, but this argument is the flimsiest to date. Arguments like this are why the birther movement is cast in the light it is. As wackos and loon. I am not saying they are, but more why this sort of argument is counter productive to the birther movement.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Do I need someone else to point out whether his policies are working or not?
No, I don't believe I do, and because of that, I will not blindly accept your view: that those policies are simply "spend a sh*t ton' of your money, and turn America into a socialist State.

Instead, I will choose to formulate my own opinions and further, because our society still honors the principle of free speech, I am entitled to those opinions even when they disagree with yours. I have dedicated years of my life to ensure that you have that same right, even though I disagree with you, it is not likely that you can say the same.

So, you are concerned that a politician in the United States would hide their past? How quaint. Your conservative idealism obviously blocks your memory or you would see the irony in such a statement, but I won't bore you with history lessons.

Suffice it to say that the man has been vetted and has passed. Again, you may disagree with the determination of that process, or even the methods used (as it is your right to disagree), but claiming that no "background check" has been given is not only ignorance, but it belies your true motives, which are to undermine the man at all costs because you are not creative enough to enter into honest debate.

If you knew anything about me you would not so lightly dictate to me which subjects you believe I should bring up again. You'll quickly find I am not so easily bullied as that, and as well read as any on this site or any other that you can name. If you wish to discuss what socialism or fascism or really any other -ism consists of, then might I suggest you change your tone of superior intellect and approach me as an equal. You get more flies with honey, no?

Of course the fact of what may be (or may not- as the case may be)socialism is not important to you though, is it? You have no time to be concerned with facts, because you are oblivious to all but your own agenda. It may do much to inform you that I am, in fact, not an Obama supporter, so much as a conservative Republican who is fed up with threads like this and posters like yourself giving the reasonable among us a bad name by acting like spoiled children who call each other names when they do not get what they want. I did not vote for Obama, but the man is not a socialist, and until true conservatives stand up to the bullies like yourself and put you in your rightful place on fringe of conservatism, we will never win another election. Conservative intellectuals like Buckley are rolling in their graves right now.

You are right in one regard, the country is in dire straights and can nigh afford more divisiveness. But you may find, if you are intellectually honest, that that burden lies squarely at the feet of the neo-cons and the all or nothing mentality that they have brought to conservatism. Your world may be a place of absolutes, capitalism v socialism, good v. evil, black v. white; but, my friend, reality is much much more complex than that, and much more beautiful to behold than you give it credit.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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This whole thing becomes sadder and sadder every single day, now people who are so full of hatred for this man, they are willing to try and dump many thousands of Americans out of their country to try and get Obama out of the White House?

I need to ask what would happen if a Native American ever became President, what would they do then? after all you cant get more American than that, every single time I read more about the things being done to destroy this man, the bigger he becomes in the eyes of those who believe in his greatness, these people doing this are tearing America to pieces, and it seems they don't give a crap who they take down to get it.

This isn't about protecting America, it's about protecting the supposed white superiority over any other race, it makes me laugh when I see documentaries about the KKK on TV, all their preaching about the love of Jesus Christ, what do they think? he was milky white with blue eyes? they all need a geography lesson mixed with a Biology lesson, same as the idiots we see here in the UK screaming their racist crap, then running down the tan shop to get the brownest tan they can to make it seem they have been on an expensive holiday, it's called major FAIL.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
reply to post by keldas
 
Great, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement. There is no talk of whether his administration's policies are actually helping or hurting, only rhetoric claiming he is either a socialist, or not even a "real" American. Puh-lease... if you can't get any traction with the Kenyan BC hoax, maybe the Hawaii isn't a real State anyway tact with take with the people. Desperation rears it's ugly head.

If the talking heads that fuel your ignorance told you people that the Declaration of Independence was not a valid document therefore the USA isn't a real country, therefore Obama can't be President, I'm not sure, but I think some of you would actually believe it and post it here on ATS. You heard it here first folks.

I know the old saying about arguing on the internet, but this is beyond retarded. Please stop.


Now that was truly hilarious

Someone please take that contribution and add it to the other great ATS posts ... that it may give us all pleasure for many years to come



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:56 PM
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There is no talk of whether his administration's policies are actually helping or hurting, only rhetoric claiming he is either a socialist, or not even a "real" American.


that's a lie.
two lines.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ulala

Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
reply to post by keldas
 
Great, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement. There is no talk of whether his administration's policies are actually helping or hurting, only rhetoric claiming he is either a socialist, or not even a "real" American. Puh-lease... if you can't get any traction with the Kenyan BC hoax, maybe the Hawaii isn't a real State anyway tact with take with the people. Desperation rears it's ugly head.

If the talking heads that fuel your ignorance told you people that the Declaration of Independence was not a valid document therefore the USA isn't a real country, therefore Obama can't be President, I'm not sure, but I think some of you would actually believe it and post it here on ATS. You heard it here first folks.

I know the old saying about arguing on the internet, but this is beyond retarded. Please stop.


Now that was truly hilarious

Someone please take that contribution and add it to the other great ATS posts ... that it may give us all pleasure for many years to come


OK a theoretical and perhaps spurious question does that mean that when the constitution was first written it was envisaged that only the states mentioned would be part of America. I believe many Americans say that they did not want to be an Empire. So when new members joined they would be obliged to accecpt the constitution but does the reverse also apply in that there is provision in the constitution for new states to be fully paid up members of America and thus be eligible for election to be a member of Congress or President.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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So the birth certificate thing's run out of steam and now people are so desperate they're trying to show that if he was born there, Hawaii isn't a state? It's just pathetic.

I'm not even an Obama fan, for heaven's sake! I don't care about him. I think he's just a more plausible face than Bush for US foreign policy which will trundle on messing up the rest of the world as it has done for the last fifty years.

But it's just... pathetic. Particularly when you know there's real evidence that Bush's camp fiddled the last two elections.

And all this stuff about him being a socialist. It's just too tragic and illogical for words. He's a corporatist, the same as any other American politician.

One has to wonder whether Hilary would have got this kind of treatment or whether (whisper it low) it's just because BO is black.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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I'm waiting for the "Obama is an Alien" thread. Seriously, if you actually take UN documents as prima face evidence of anything other than proof of completely useless bureaucracy, you need medical assistance.



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