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Hawaii is not legally a state/ Obamah is a usurper.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Although the information is old it may be new to many. The fact that Hawaii is not legally a state in America may have profound implecations on the birther movement.

Much has changed since 2003 and if Hawaii is not part of America where does that leave Obamah.

Perhaps this could be the smoking gun rather than the birth certificate.

whatreallyhappened.com...

Not sure if there has been an update on the state of Hawaii since this was published perhaps some one could advise.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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Um, I thought It became a state in 1959 making it our 50th?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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You have stumbled upon a tremendous conspiracy. All of the text books. The QUARTERS for Pete's sake. They made a FAKE QUARTER of this island that isn't even a state. The lengths they will go to to get someone in office.



Did the birth certificate thing run out of steam already? Although your ummm 'source' looks 'believable' enough...

Sorry. I'm not buying it. I think we're going to need more to back it up than a poorly done website.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by KSPigpen]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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Great, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement. There is no talk of whether his administration's policies are actually helping or hurting, only rhetoric claiming he is either a socialist, or not even a "real" American. Puh-lease... if you can't get any traction with the Kenyan BC hoax, maybe the Hawaii isn't a real State anyway tact with take with the people. Desperation rears it's ugly head.

If the talking heads that fuel your ignorance told you people that the Declaration of Independence was not a valid document therefore the USA isn't a real country, therefore Obama can't be President, I'm not sure, but I think some of you would actually believe it and post it here on ATS. You heard it here first folks.

I know the old saying about arguing on the internet, but this is beyond retarded. Please stop.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Hawaii ( /həˈwaɪ.iː/ (help·info) or /həˈwaɪʔiː/ in English; Hawaiian: Mokuʻāina o Hawaiʻi) is the newest of the 50 U.S. states, and is the only state made up entirely of islands. It is located on an archipelago in the central Pacific Ocean, southwest of the continental United States, southeast of Japan, and northeast of Australia. The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959. Its capital is Honolulu on the island of Oʻahu. The most recent census estimate puts the state's population at 1,283,388.

In March 1959, both houses of Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law. (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum was held asking residents of Hawaii to vote on accepting the statehood bill. Hawaii voted at a ratio of 17 to 1 to accept. There has been criticism, however, of the Statehood plebiscite, because the only choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without addressing the issues of legality surrounding the overthrow.[31][32][33] Despite the criticism, the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaii from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

After statehood, Hawaii quickly became a modern state with a construction boom and rapidly growing economy. The Hawaii Republican Party, which was strongly supported by the plantation owners, was voted out of office. In its place, the Democratic Party of Hawaii dominated state politics for 40 years.


Source

Not a legal state huh?

~Keeper



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios

 
Great, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement.


Not to mention a perfect example of folk using the intrewebz as a simple copy/paste tool taking thought right out of the process.


hawaii.gov...

[edit on 17 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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This might be a problem or a solution depending on how you look at it.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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well i guess since hawaii isnt state he CANT be president. im going to washington right now to personally drag him out of the whitehouse!!!

what...?

this is a bs argument?

man...i thought this made TOTAL SENSE!




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Aha!

But not a single state in the USA is a legitimate state in the first place!

Britain did not agree to this illegal revolution, and thus all Americans are actually illegals and all of these states actually belong to Britain, Spain, and France!

And if you delve even deeper into the vast conspiracy, it is actually the native American tribes that own it in the first place!

So indeed every single President since the Revolution are all usurpers and fakes!

En garde!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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I think the problem is that many people in the US have a very difficult time with the notion that a Black man is running the country. Rather than accept this, learn that Obama's no different from anyone else, and move on, they have to invalidate his whole presidency. They want to be able to claim, "it never happened". Unfortunately, they waited too long.

All of this discussion would have been reasonable before the election, during the campaign - even during the Democratic primary. A single legitimate question then could have blown Obama right out of the water, and no on would ever have heard of him. But they didn't raise the question, because there was no question to raise. Obama is a natural born citizen, Hawaii is a state, and the Birthers are pretty much out of luck. Let's move on now.

Oh, yeah. As for the notion that Hawaii isn't "really" a state because the process of admitting it to statehood broke various laws and treaties - guess what? That same logic applies to *every* state. So if you insist that Obama step down, then you should also insist that each state's residents - the European ones, anyway - leave the country and go back to Europe. They're all illegal aliens. With the possible exception of Manhattan, this whole country was violently taken away from the people who were already here.

[edit on 8/17/2009 by chiron613]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Some one seems to have gone to a lot of trouble with the following which seems surprising if there was nothing in the story.

www.hawaiiankingdom.org...



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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And everyone knows American elections are rigged anyway, and the real power behind the throne is the FED.

Touche!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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How can anybody believe a word you say about President Obama when you can't even respect him enough to spell his name right?

You're obviously biased and angry.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Your logic is infallible.

Muzzleflash for President! Well... provided he gets approval from the Native Americans....and the British...and Hawaii.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Maybe this 5-year-old-thread using the same source will help answer some of your questions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by keldas
reply to post by KSPigpen
 


Some one seems to have gone to a lot of trouble with the following which seems surprising if there was nothing in the story.

www.hawaiiankingdom.org...


...just looking forward to the sixty two different versions of 'Hawaii is not a LEGAL STATE!!!' thread...

It reminds me of the state sovereignty thing... Alaska has a movement that is very similar...they get labeled nutjobs...Palin's husband was a member...just because a group of people doesn't agree with it, doesn't make it true...but I have to hand it to you, that was a LOT better looking site.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Not a question of respect just forgot to check the spelling of his name, not being an American I probably don't see it as often in print as yourself.

Also I did ask if anyone knew anything about the question of Hawaii not being part of America not being familliar with it myself.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
reply to post by keldas
 
Great, this is a perfect example of what is wrong with the anti-Obama movement. There is no talk of whether his administration's policies are actually helping or hurting, only rhetoric claiming he is either a socialist, or not even a "real" American.


Do you really need someone else to point out whether his policies are working or not? The only thing that he's proven is that he can spend a sh*t - ton of our money, and get us nothing in return. Additionally, most "birthers" aren't that concerned with where he was born anyway. They're concerned about the fact that he's hiding his past. They're concerned because people like you don't think that a background check should be required for the highest office in the land.

And maybe read some of his policies, then look up socialism before you bring the subject up again. When government fingers, hold the strings for the banking, automotive, and soon to be health care industries, that's called socialism... on a bright and sunny day. When it's dark and gloomy, we call it fascism.

Look, I don't give a damn where he was born, or what color his skin is. The FACT of the matter, is that he is not qualified to lead this country, especially though the dire straights we're in now. The last thing we needed was an idealistic neophyte with a socialist agenda who's greatest skill is dividing the people. Not with double digit unemployment 2 wars and two other rouge states who want war.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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aren't we trying to deny ignorance?How do we achieve that without asking questions?pigpen dog and koolaid you should know better.I respect all you guys but you are obviously getting exasperated with the anti obama crowd.But give the op a break,he is not the first to bring this up,just the first to challenge obama with it.Remember just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching.s+f



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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spoken like a true racist.race has nothing to do with Hawaii's statehood.please try to keep race out of it(I know it's your best argument)but please try



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