Healthcare and Human Rights ...

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Fundamental right? Who determines that? An old piece of parchment written by dead people, who themselves had much better lives than the average person?

Seriously, everyone deserves to be happy and healthy. This debate will lead nowhere, and large groups of people are going to be disenfranchised no matter what the outcome. This has everything to do with the healthcare debate, which is allowing for the contemplation of human rights when we don't have any!

Skeptic Overlord's 'Obama must fail' thread is strong evidence towards a full breakdown at the governmental level, where the little guys (us) have no representation. Arguing over a bill sponsored by people who are only interested in special interests is a waste of effort.

The fundamental rights of the people take second place to the rights of Starbucks, ING, and Microsoft. To restate the quote: "We don't stand a chance", is exactly our current situation. At it's core this is about control, and distracting people long enough to keep their eyes and ears covered.

Thanks.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by GideonHM]

OP great thread BTW -

Unfortunately it will probably die because a justifiable ANTI argument only exposes stone cold ugly qualities not good for "positioning" in societal DEBATE. If you noticed RIGHTIES seem to like to initiate the attack, frame the debate or IGNORE what puts debate on a level field.


This might be due to the fact that this not covered in todays talking points or " I GOT THIS EMAIL FROM A "FRIEND" - PASS IT ON..." -WHICH was NOT written by a PR firm hired by the insurance industry BTW.

Anyhow cheers-

PS Next time included: GOVERNMENT WILL LIMIT DOCTOR VISITS TO ONE A YEAR!!!

AND the word

PATRIOT

or

REAL AMERICAN!!!

sorry but this is how I feel about it,,, the entire debate.

I'm gonna go have me some Jim Bean and gun oil and have me a real good time









[edit on 16-8-2009 by mental modulator]

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Health care is a privilige. Very simply put.

No one in the United States is ever denied care. EVER. But they are expected to pay for it. It's not free for the person administering it. It's not free for the machines that help with the diagnoses and treatment. It's not free for the companies to created new drugs to help our quality of life. Thus it cannot be free to use it.

The reason that the US constantly has new drugs and new medical machines is because of the costs of medical care.

This new legislation lays down laws telling doctors, the people who have our lives in their hands, how much they will be paid. If you were a student going to school to be a doctor and you learned that your pay is set, not based on your performance or your skills, but by a man in an office in Washington who knows nothing about heathcare, would you continue to study medicine?

Capitalism is the driving force in the American Economy that encourages us all to "one-up" one another, so to speak. That causes advancements in technology.

So no, Healthcare is not a right.

In the current healthcare system, if you want to change providers, you can. If you want a specialist, you can get one, and if you want a certain medical test, you can get it.

But with a big brother type medical system, a team of Government bean counters will decide if you can change doctors, They will decide if you can see a specialist. They will decide if you can get a certain test. And even if you have all the money in the world, you will not be able to buy that test because THEY will decide what you need.





[edit on 17-8-2009 by bkcrt]

reply to post by bkcrt


I just woke up to an AP news report on my radio saying that not a single Republican will vote for it. I want sick people to have the medical attention they need. However, this society creates much of what makes us sick, sets the prices and allows schizophrenics and people with other severe mental illness to be dumped into the streets.

It almost brings tears to my eyes. When you have to pay ungodly amounts of money for lists of drugs with toxic side effects, and smoking plants scientifically proven to ease the pain of leukemia and AIDS are illegal, our rights to be healthy and happy...We're screwed.

Lets take a leap, and say it is. LONG before you have to see a doctor, you must eat food, and drink water. Say you cannot "afford" food in the free market. Naturally, since you are entitled to being healthy, at the taxpayers expense, you are provided food and water. You cannot afford a house on the free market, it's too expensive. You need a place to live, right? Shelter should be a basic human right, shouldn't it now? Somebody must provide you with adequate shelter if you cannot provide for yourself. The government can provide you with a house, payed for by the taxpayers. This will allow you to live indoors, and not get sick.

This is a slippery slope. Enough said.

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