Ancient Nuclear Wars.

There realy are a whole lot on this subject floating around.
I was listening to M.Tsarion, and he spoke intensly about the subject, he is convinced, and I sure as cheese see no reason why it could not have happend !!

please read before jumping to conclusions... ! Have fun ..

Ancient City Found In India Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago.
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

Flying Aircraft and Nuclear War and Other Strange Occurences of the Past
"(It was a weapon) so powerful that it could destroy the earth
in an instant ÄÄ A great soaring sound in smoke and flames ÄÄ
And on its sits death..."
ÄÄ The Ramayana

"Dense arrows of flame, like a great shower, issued
forth upon creation, encompassing the enemy...
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow upward, showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly... the very elements seemed disturbed.
The earth shook, scorched by the terrible violent heat of this
weapon.
Elephants burst into flame and ran to and fro in a frenzy...
over a vast area, other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass the arrows of flame rained
continuously and fiercely.
ÄÄ The Mahabharata

The Ramayana and the Mahabharata seem like science fiction. Not
only did aircraft exist such as Vimanas and Vailxi (as the Atlantian
craft are called), they had nuclear weapons. There seems to be a
fear of educating the worlds people about the distant past. Even
empires and leaders of China's past to Christians to Arab peoples
would destroy history in such a way that records of there amazing
cultures and events are nearly all wiped out. Indian Epics however
are still with us intact. Records of South American history all but
gone. Fear, and other factors have removed most of history before
5,000 years. Some only 1,000 years ago. In the America's just 300 -
500 years all most all lost! Today, perhaps some UFO records are
going the way of fears gate! However, again a few stories live on.

GODS NUKE SINAI SPACEPORT BEFORE LEAVING EARTH TO MARDUK
Enlil evacuated the Igigi Astronauts from the Sinai and sent Ninurta and Nergal (the "angels" of the Bible) to confirm from his spies in Canaan--Ibruum and Lot--that they should bomb Sodom, Gomorrah and other cities allied with Marduk. Enlil gave his spies time to flee (Abraham made his way to the Negev on the border of the Sinai, which housed the doomed spaceport), then ordered the attack.

Following Anu's instruction, "choosing Nergal and Minurta to carry out the mission, the gods made absolutely clear to them its limited and conditional scope. But this is not what happened.... Nergal rushed to Gibil's African domains to find and retrieve the weapons, not waiting for Ninurta. Nergal was to use the weapons indiscriminately to settle accounts"--to kill his father Enki as well as Nabu. While Nergal and Ninuruta argued, Nabu escaped to the Mediterranean islands.[Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, page 89]

2024 BC, Ninurta attacked the Sinai. "The first terror weapon [a missile called One Without Rival] from the skys Ninurta let loose; the top of Mount Mashu [where the controlling equipment was housed] with a flash it sliced off, the mount’s innards in an instant it melted. Above the Place of the Celestial Chariots [rocketships] the second weapon [called Blazing Flame] he unleashed, with a brilliance of seven suns the plain’s rocks into a gushing wound were made, the Earth shook and crumbled, the heavens after the brilliance were darkened; with burnt and crushed stones was the plain of the chariots covered, of all the forests that the plain had surrounded, only tree stems were left standing." [Sitchin, Z., 2002, The Lost Book of Enki, page 310] *

* Sitchin [www.sitchin.com...] writes that, starting in 1999, scientists found evidence that the depopulation of Sumer coincided with abrupt climate change [See Science, April 27, 2001 and Geology, April 2000]. DeMenocal, who wrote the article in Science cited in brackets above, used as evidence for the abrupt changes in the area’s vegetation, rocks called tephera. Tephera are "burnt-through pieces of blackened gravel-like rock" usually associated with volcanos. Tephera still cover Sinai--which lacks volcanos. Sinai’s tephera result from Ninurta's bombing of the spaceport. The bombing left a huge black scar on the Sinai plain (where the shuttlecraft runway and launch platform had been) so large it can only be seen from satellite. Millions of black-blasted rocks, north northeast of the scar in an area where all other color rocks--no black--are found. [See photos, The Wars of Gods and Men, 1985, pages 332-334]

Nuclear Warfare in Antiquity.
Nuclear wars in space and deepest antiquity!

There is a feeling amongst some scientists that a highly deadly form of star wars may be taking place between alien civilisations far out in space. Fodder for these theories comes from unexplained explosions witnessed by numerous astronomers.

The article also related that "Ray Klebesadel, a leading scientist at Los Alamos, said this event was definitely not a supernova!" According to him the explosion was more like a nuclear bomb blast! This was a view also echoed by a nuclear physicist Stanton T. Friedmann who declared: "Tremendous activity of this sort could well be life out there involved in a war"! Another quote is from James Oberg of Houston who is on record as saying: " It is a legitimate theory that star wars may be taking place!"

Terrestrial Evidence.

On Earth the evidence of nuclear wars deep in antiquity is even more convincing! Here we not only have the physical scars but the graphically written accounts of some of the most ancient texts on Earth. The Mahabharata, an ancient Indian saga at least five thousand years old speaks of flying machines called Vimanas that were used to launch a powerful weapon of destruction; " a single projectile charged with all the power of the universe!"

Surly there would be a place where the Ancient made the Plutonium you ask? Sure there is !!

Scientists Discover Six Ancient Zones of Depleted Uranium with Plutonium Products
If you could go back and read the news and scientific articles at the time, you could contrast the shock, dismay and confusion caused by the initial announcement that nuclear material had been mined in the past and that the byproduct plutonium had been created at Oklo.

In 1972, a French analyst named Bougzigues working at the Pierrelatte nuclear fuel processing plant detected a small but significant change in an important ratio between Uranium 235 and Uranium 238. The proper ratio is well known and well established in that field so that the change indicated that something way out of the ordinary was going on. The initial suspicion was that someone had included spent fuel in with the recently mined ore. This was quickly ruled out because there was no radiation signature associated with the mystery uranium.
The mystery uranium was eventually traced back to the Gabon mine at Oklo. You need to understand that what was so incredible was that a nuclear reaction had occurred such that plutonium was created and that the nuclear reaction itself had been “moderated”! This means that once a reaction is initiated, if you want to harness the power output in a controlled manner, you had better be able to keep it from exploding and releasing all the energy at once.

This particular group of reactors was, incredibly moderated using..., water. The first modern nuclear reactors used graphite and cadmium rods to moderate their reactions. At that time, people were speculating about aliens and advanced ancient civilizations. Some months after the discovery rocked the scientific world, someone came up with a somewhat dubious explanation which over time has taken on the patina of absolute certainty. It was a natural reactor which occurred billions of years ago.

There are at least six zones of depleted uranium (usually means mined) and with plutonium as a by product! You've got to really be trying to manufacture plutonium - its a complicated process. Yet, scientists studying these zones have a priori of course, decided not to consider that man was involved:

1) They place its occurrence safely "billions" of years ago

2) They assume that a breeding reaction could occur naturally when no such evidence of that exists and creating a breeder reactor was once a technological holy grail which was difficult to achieve on purpose.

[edit on 14/8/2009 by ChemBreather]

I have read about thisbefore and find the subject facsinating,

Originally posted by Lucifersjester
I have read about thisbefore and find the subject facsinating,

yes, it is awesome, I cant figure out why the **** this isn't in the schools as Alternative teachings...

I mean, as long as there is as much as 1% chance of this being true, we, as an rase could learn a whole lot...
Maybe exactly why it is hidden and forbidden.....

*( delightwhaleslungs)*

[edit on 14/8/2009 by ChemBreather]

Putting aside the retroactive interpretations of ancient stories, the physical evidence provided is not very strong.

Re: radioactive contamination in Rajasthan. A possible source is a nuclear power plant which was shut down due to leakage.

The Rajasthan Atomic Power Station in Rawatbhata, India was closed indefinitely, as of February 1995. Moreover, environmental problems, caused by radiation leaks, have cropped up in communities near Rawatbhata.

www.indianchild.com...

Re: the Oklo "reactor". Ground water mediates natural radioactive decay, allowing a natural self-sustaining reaction.

The water slowed the subatomic particles or neutrons that were cast out from the uranium so that they could hit-and split-other atoms. Without the water, the neutrons would move so fast that they would just bounce off, like skipping a rock across the water, and not produce nuclear chain reactions. When the heat from the reactions became too great, the water turned to steam and stopped slowing the neutrons. The reactions then slowed until the water cooled. Then the process could begin again.

www.ocrwm.doe.gov...

[edit on 8/14/2009 by Phage]

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Way to go phage. Obliterate my hopes. Geezah.

Thank's for adding that though.

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I've always felt that this theory is true. Some cultures claim they came out of caves. This would explain why they came out of caves. It would also explain the number of gods we've had in history along with the tales that go with them. It would also explain the ufo's and why through time they change their place of origin. As we explore further out they have to keep changing addresses.

I think one reason that keeps science from even wanting to explore this threory or say its possible is because that would mean we aren't the first intelligent form of mankind that has lived on this planet. We let our ego's interfer with what might be the truth.

For all we know maybe this happens every time man gets to the point they can actually kill almost everyone in the world. That might be why prophecy from different parts of the world all seem to have a similar ending. It's not really prophecy but history repeating itself even if we don't know the history. Prophets all hear or see something that tells them what is going to happen. It might be those old prophets heard it from surviviors of the go round before them thinking they were talking to gods.

Maybe its like the cycle of abuse it keeps happening until you figure out how to stop the cycle.

All I can say is better luck next time because I don't think we've learned how to stop the cycle this time around.

Originally posted by napayshni57
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I've always felt that this theory is true. Some cultures claim they came out of caves. This would explain why they came out of caves. It would also explain the number of gods we've had in history along with the tales that go with them. It would also explain the ufo's and why through time they change their place of origin. As we explore further out they have to keep changing addresses.

I think one reason that keeps science from even wanting to explore this threory or say its possible is because that would mean we aren't the first intelligent form of mankind that has lived on this planet. We let our ego's interfer with what might be the truth.

For all we know maybe this happens every time man gets to the point they can actually kill almost everyone in the world. That might be why prophecy from different parts of the world all seem to have a similar ending. It's not really prophecy but history repeating itself even if we don't know the history. Prophets all hear or see something that tells them what is going to happen. It might be those old prophets heard it from surviviors of the go round before them thinking they were talking to gods.

Maybe its like the cycle of abuse it keeps happening until you figure out how to stop the cycle.

All I can say is better luck next time because I don't think we've learned how to stop the cycle this time around.

It also say in the good book : ..and out of the ashes...
So that could mean after the nuclear wars had seized..

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I have been reading about this a lot lately and it is really interesting and in my eyes very possible. I believe we have destroyed ourselves a couple times in the past with nukes. This is why I think we shouldn't even have them. S&F for u!

Originally posted by Phage
Putting aside the retroactive interpretations of ancient stories, the physical evidence provided is not very strong.

Re: radioactive contamination in Rajasthan. A possible source is a nuclear power plant which was shut down due to leakage.

The Rajasthan Atomic Power Station in Rawatbhata, India was closed indefinitely, as of February 1995. Moreover, environmental problems, caused by radiation leaks, have cropped up in communities near Rawatbhata.

www.indianchild.com...

Re: the Oklo "reactor". Ground water mediates natural radioactive decay, allowing a natural self-sustaining reaction.

The water slowed the subatomic particles or neutrons that were cast out from the uranium so that they could hit-and split-other atoms. Without the water, the neutrons would move so fast that they would just bounce off, like skipping a rock across the water, and not produce nuclear chain reactions. When the heat from the reactions became too great, the water turned to steam and stopped slowing the neutrons. The reactions then slowed until the water cooled. Then the process could begin again.

www.ocrwm.doe.gov...

[edit on 8/14/2009 by Phage]

Hey Phage, doing well ?

This is what I find interesting, and the fact that scientists in general 'have to' stick to surten rules, they can not come out and say 'we found ET nuclear powerplants' in science Daily,so they trix and mix the facts so it can be 'tweaked' into a form of explanation that fits the overall scheme of things !!

There are at least six zones of depleted uranium (usually means mined) and with plutonium as a by product! You've got to really be trying to manufacture plutonium - its a complicated process. Yet, scientists studying these zones have a priori of course, decided not to consider that man was involved:

1) They place its occurrence safely "billions" of years ago

2) They assume that a breeding reaction could occur naturally when no such evidence of that exists and creating a breeder reactor was once a technological holy grail which was difficult to achieve on purpose

3) They theorize that although it must have happened naturally in the distant past, that we need not worry about it occurring now, as conditions differ

4) Nature designed the reactor such that its spent fuel and dangerous byproducts were "contained"

Scientists use the principle of uniformism to draw conclusions about the future and the past. If they cannot use this "principle", then they can not draw any conclusions because they could not state that the conditions in the universe that exist now, always existed. Here though as often happens, they have to assume that the past was vastly different as it related to the possibility of naturally occurring breeder reactions. Again, scientists from other countries were skeptical when first hearing of these "natural nuclear reactors". Some argued that the missing amounts of U-235 had been displaced over time, not split in nuclear fission reactions.

"How," they asked, "could fission reactions happen in nature, when such a high degree of engineering, physics, and acute, detailed attention went into building a nuclear reactor?"

Perrin and the other French scientists concluded that the only other uranium samples with similar levels of the isotopes found at Oklo could be found in the used nuclear fuel produced by modern reactors. They found that the percentages of many isotopes at Oklo strongly resembled those in the spent fuel generated by nuclear power plants, and, therefore, reasoned that a similar natural process had occurred.

You see, if these people say too much, they get austrisized and rediculed, so there realy arnt that many that dare stand up to the flaws and other possibilities.

The evidence of ET life have or are on Earth, Must be supressed, simple as that.

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This has happend before and it will happen again.
So say we all.

By the way we are all cylons.

reply to post by ChemBreather

You really should provide links for your external sources. Unfortunately they display complete ignorance about the physics of nuclear reactions.


1) The aging of the natural reactors is based on the known rates of radioactive decay. The occurrence is not simply "placed billions of years ago", it is known when the reactions occurred.

2) Breeder reactors were never a "holy grail". Like all nuclear reactors, the "trick" is not in making them work but in building them so they can be operated safely. There is no "assumption" that a breeding reaction can occur naturally, it is known that such reactions will occur when the correct elements are present. It is nuclear physics.

3) The reason such natural reactions could happen in the past and not now is because the natural amounts of U235 necessary to begin the reaction no longer exist. Due to radioactive decay over the past 2 billion years there is now less than 1/4 the amount that there was then. Not enough to start a reaction.

4) What a silly statement. Nature did not "design" anything. There was no problem with disposing of spent fuel and dangerous byproducts because there was no one to be harmed by them.

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You know the bible in revelation says that satan will be cast into a bottomless pit for 1000 years and sealed up then after that thousand years he'll be let out. Thats the kj version. Others say cast into the earth.

Could that mean the ptb go into underground caves and don't come out until its safe for them to remain above ground all contamination gone from the soil even.

If that would be so in 1000 years there wouldn't be much left of mankind between nature and the nukes.

If we have a tendency to keep destroying ourselves and starting over. If you want to make sure the earth is ready for humans again you might put out a group of people to see if living above ground at that time has any adverse effects on them. So wouldn't you chose the ones that might not be the brightest or not of much importance to use for this?

It would also set up a perfect group of people when you saw that they did indeed survive to become the gods to them.

That would be one heck of a cycle to keep repeating. It would explain a lot of things though.