From the Streets of America: The Mass Strike Revolt Is On

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by blueorder

 

Clearly large organisations can fail, I never suggested otherwise, this is the world of man with too many uncertainties- but the the broad strokes of regulation are that it benefits the big players and hits the little man

You are correct. An excellent example is what has happen to farming in the EU. The recent "Food Safety" bill HR 875 was designed to do the same here in the USA. the "compromise" bill is not much better. Bush signed an agreement to "harmonize" our laws with the EU so we can see our future there. "Harmonize" means to make the same as.

the [EU] chair-lady said: “I don't think you understand what EU policy is. Our objective is to ensure that farmers receive the same salary parity as white collar workers in the cities. The only way to achieve this is by restructuring and modernising old fashioned Polish farms to enable them to compete with other countries agricultural economies and the global market. To do this it will be necessary to shift around one million farmers off the land ... The remaining farms will be made competitive with their counterparts in western Europe.”

There in a nutshell you have the whole tragic story of the clinically instigated demise of European farming over the past three decades. We protested that with unemployment running at 20 percent how would one provide jobs for another million farmers dumped on the streets of Warsaw?

This was greeted with a stony silence, eventually broken by a lady from Portugal, who rather quietly remarked that since Portugal joined the European Union, 60 percent of small farmers had already left the land. “The European Union is simply not interested in small farms,” she said.

[I keep on bring in farming because I would really like to continue eating on a regular basis. The mega corporation cartel is only interested in complete control of the industry (high profit) and not in whether people starve or not. Therefore I have made a careful study of this particular industry and generally cite examples from it.]

great example that one friend (read a book recently which looked at regulation in aspects of the american agricultural sector in which the main players were "sweeetening" the politicians to push for regulation as far back as the 30s)


Also, the comments from that EU woman, horribly reminiscent of Stalin's "GREAT" plans............

great example that one friend (read a book recently which looked at regulation in aspects of the american agricultural sector in which the main players were "sweeetening" the politicians to push for regulation as far back as the 30s)

Very definitely. I read somewhere that Rockefeller was pushing "modern farming" that early here in the USA and overseas because tractors, Ag. equipment, patented seed, fertilizer etc all cost money, where as horses, oxen and saved seed adapted to the land do not cost out of pocket money. Farmers went into debt to the banks to buy the equipment for the "Green Revolution" and the banks got rich and the farmers went bankrupt.

The complete control of the food supply is very near, much nearer than Americans think. Cargill's VP, Dan Amstruz (curse him) not only came up with the WTO Agreement on Ag but the "Freedom to Fail Act" in the mid nineties. The key aspect of that Act is it did away with food stockpiles. If there is a bad crop year we in America have nothing in reserve to tie us over.

“In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year. We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends...very attractive.” Food shortfalls predicted: 2008 www.financialsense.com... 

“Recently there have been increased calls for the development of a U.S. or international grain reserve to provide priority access to food supplies for Humanitarian needs. The National Grain and Feed Association (NGFA) and the North American Export Grain Association (NAEGA) strongly advise against this concept..Stock reserves have a documented depressing effect on prices... and resulted in less aggressive market bidding for the grains.” July 22, 2008 letter to President Bush www.naega.org...

Since then the USDA reported the USA grain reserve is now ZERO ATS

I have to get this off my chest.

I'm SICK of people making fun of the protesters and the tea parties and those who have been attending the city hall meetings.

I might not agree with everything they do but they are at least doing SOMETHING. While the keyboard warriors play armchair quarterback and laugh at the 'fringe loonies' with their arrogant smugness, at least 'Mr. and Mrs. Carter from cottonfield Alabama' are TRYING to make a difference by becoming active.

Everyone moaned and groaned over the bailouts under Bush. We were pissed and had every right to be pissed. Then the stimulus package under Obama. We were again pissed and had every right to be pissed. AT LEAST these people are doing something.

Really, you people remind me of people in the bleachers yelling 'Boo!' at the runners in a race. They might be slow or trip over the hurdles but at least they're out there on the track while everyone else is just in the stands telling them what they should be doing or how much faster they could run if they wanted to.

People were FURIOUS at the bailouts and the stimulus. The tea parties were downplayed but at least SOMEBODY got off their butts and TRIED to make a difference.

The people that stand outside The Fed with speaker phones may look like nuts to some of us but at least they're doing SOMETHING. The people who attend the town hall meetings do get too riled in my opinion but they're ANGRY and they're TRYING to make a difference by being heard.

To everyone who continually criticizes them, slanders them, and minimizes their efforts. They're not fringe. They're not wackos. They're everyday people who are sick of it and are trying to be part of the process.

Really. Get off your high horses and do it better if you can.

[edit on 8/11/2009 by AshleyD]

well said ashley d

Have a feeling these strikes and revolt, uprisings are all set -up reactions. whats next, another civil war, what a good way to blind us into thinkin we are fighting for our freedom

Originally posted by verastyle
Have a feeling these strikes and revolt, uprisings are all set -up reactions. whats next, another civil war, what a good way to blind us into thinkin we are fighting for our freedom

I have a feeling these strikes, revolts, slanders are meant to keep me away from the debates, to keep our voices from being heard above the noise and controversy created by "agitator" groups on both sides.

President's Administration, Congresspeople, Senators and elected officials in hiding ready to implement "continuity of government" should (staged) rioting break out??? (See the OP's link)

These people are starting to scare me. Some of the instigators have flunkies all over the internet, working in a concerted effort to confuse, befuddle, sway and bully the rest of us into accepting lies as truth. They are doing a good job at it.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

Gee its interestin aint it? Righties complaining about their freedoms being stripped of them when they are given the opportunity to express their opposition against the bill at town hall meetings, only to then go their to tell everybody to shut up and strip them of their freedom to speak and support, while attacking them.

Every time there is some phony outrage campaign from these fellas, however hypocritical it tends to be. I swear Iv seen better acting at a middle school play.

No acting here. The real acting drama occurs when the Code Pink fuzzies invade. Is it ok for them to do what they do and not ok for average concerned citizens to speak their minds in an open forum?

"Hope that helps. You will see those on this site who rant but do not back up what they say. Ignore them. You will also see discussions with both sides presenting references. Look at the information from the references on both sides and make up your own mind."

Definitely, that's all I can do, just read all I can, hear their points and take from it what makes sense to me and that's exactly what I do.

I guess the main point of this thread is that it seems like nothing is going right with our govt. and all the things proposed are not being persued and outright lied about just like the last administration, so basically I've come to the conclusion that they're all the same.

I'm just really surprised with all the viewpoints here on ATS why does it seem like no one is saying anything about LaRouche? I mean it SEEMS from what I can tell from his webcasts and the people attending them that they're from young to old and all races. Not that that is a huge thing to point out but I think it's something. I just really want to hear people's thoughts on this man and his points. Thanks for the responses I really appreciate it! stay on topic and lets hear your thoughts and honest opinions without turning this into a left or right issue because from what I can tell this is turning into a human rights issue for the citizens of this nation and possibly the world.
CONTINUE ON!

For all of you people who say these protests are organized by special interest groups I have a question for ya! Is the negotiations between the POTUS and the pharmacuetical companies not the same thing. A very large and wealthy group of saints they are. How much do all the drug manufactures stand to benefit? Where is the transparency in that? Whats going on now is a reality check for Washington. They have been so full of their self-righteous plans they cannot believe the audacity of the commoner to disagree. Yea the Republicans made a mess and the people booted from office, but now the Democrats think they are empowered to do what ever they "perceive" as for the common good. They are ill equipped to deal with the same tactics they use! If they really want to get the people confidence eliminate the health care they receive and use their proposed health plan. Or in other words stop trying to rule us and maybe lead by example!

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You don't think a fat bald old guy who's 300 pounds wearing a Hawaiian shirt throwing a temper tantrum and making a complete fool out of himself while having no concept of what he's talking about is hilarious? Where else are you going to see that? Maybe on the weekends at Home Depot or other hardware store. But what I love about this is just how idiotic these people are making themselves out to be. I also love, that after literally millions all across the world marched against Bush and it accomplished nothing. A handful of Costco's finest acting like three years olds in public is the answer.

I've marched in many protests (WTO, gay rights, etc) and I don't care, I'm going to laugh at these people. It is democracy in action, and it's beautiful.

Originally posted by AshleyD
I'm SICK of people making fun of the protesters

I am sick of these protesters making their attacks on anybody else who disagrees with them. I am sick of these protesters labelling everybody else as mindless socialist drones. To be frank I am sick and tired of the hypocrites marching down the streets thinking they are the only damn people who live in america and who have the rights to make the decisions.

I might not agree with everything they do

Oh thats interesting ashely, tell me what you exactly dont agree with them.

but they are at least doing SOMETHING.

Im not concerned about these folks using their rights to express their opposition and disagreement with the policies and issues abound. I do however disagree with this mob mentality, this attack and label mentality that has infected these rightwing movements. This propaganda effort across the net and beyond not to merely argue against issues and policies, but to rather personally attack every individual they can see across ideological line.

They are doing something alright... they spend their times "attacking" if thats what you call something.

Mr. and Mrs. Carter from cottonfield Alabama' are TRYING to make a difference by becoming active.

What are they doing to make a difference? By going to town hall meetings only to attack those who support healthcare plan, only to disrupt the meetings and everybody else who actually came there to discuss it, to have their views. I mean really now, what are they standing for? Are they really standing for the right to free speech and opposition? Because it sounds to me like that right is reserved to them somehow.

Everyone moaned and groaned over the bailouts under Bush.

Oh yes, just the bailouts... thats the only negative light you can account under Bush. No thankyou for summing up you "anger" with Mr Bush towards the end of his administration. Really great to have ya with us now, we were worried about your absence all these years.

Now go on well ya! Support the fringers and their constitutional rights by attacking everybody and gate crashing events with their mob mentality! Sure love the smell of liberty when it comes in the form of a mob.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by Southern Guardian]

It's about Liberty, NOT democracy!

Majority does not rule the few, we own guns.

To stay on topic - Has the revolt started? I certainly hope so. Are
some of the "noisy protestors" union thugs/hirelings packed into
meetings to disrupt them. Yes, SOME of them are.

After 8 years of increasingly draconian laws that destroy the
1st amendment, where if you spoke out at a meeting like we
are seeing now you would be thrown out if not tasered. It is
AWESOME to see that people can still speak their minds in public.

HOWEVER, I don't like the interrupting or the crippling effect of
logical debate I see going on. It reminds me of the "stop the
recount protesters" in Florida back in 2000. Free speech is only
as good as the ablility to be able to hear what is being said.

Will we strike? Do we have the guts to declare a National general
strike? I don't think people are downtrodden enough yet but we
are getting closer by the month. I'm not very sanguine about the
prospects of the American populace every coming together to
save themselves. We are unwilling to make any sacrifices and I believe
that our end is going to be a sad, unglorious affair.

I have been politically active for 30 years and I don't feel like
anything I have done has made one iota of difference. I'm too
old and disabled to confront riot police ever again. I have many
friends who have made great sacrifices and they too are tired, poor
and unable to fight on anything other than the editorial pages that
no-one reads anymore.

The next generation must put down their x-boxes and start to
realize that THIS IS THEIR FUTURE AT STAKE. They have
grown up for the most part emotionally starved and drowned
in entertainment. If they can overcome their existentialist views
then there may be hope. The alternative is unspeakably horrible.
God save the Republic!

Welcome to the site. I recall reading some stuff about LaRouche when I was your age. Don't remember any of it, now. At that time, I was involved with the Young Republicans in Long Beach. Now I understand that they are the same in goals as the Democrats. All about money/power. In fact, the familys are related. I mean the top players. Like Baraq and the Bush family. And Gates. And the devil. America is best off when the Congress, and the White House are 'owned' by bickering parties. Same goals, same 'puppet-master', but. They get almost nothing done. Safe. Preferable. And the way the public usually votes. One party president, the other Congress. You get into trouble when either party holds unrestrained sway. Then they 'accomplish' things, to our dismay.
I do a lot of reading about unusual things. When I come on something that pertains to it on here, I talk about it. But I still don't know how to post links here, and I don't often recall where I got the info, if I did remember. But just the idea, the concept, is valuable. You can delve into it, on a search engine, and learn a lot more than I think you could at a college. They, colleges, teach you either basic stuff, or the left wing version of reality. So I don't worry too much about the sources. People don't like it sometimes, but I really don't give AFF. If they wanted to look into it, I pointed the way. It's not my job to be a librarian, and keep all those sources handy. I really don't care. Like I just talked about squalene used in the anthrax vaccine, shown to cause Gulf War Syndrome, and incidentally, in the swine flu vaccine. Source? I don't recall, and I don't care. For my own use, I will not take vaccines. Further, I had the mercury fillings removed from my mouth, and amazingly, found I was no longer allergic to cats. And my other health improved. Source? That one I remember. But I know that ANY metals in your body are dangerous. Source? Don't recall. Don't care. See ya!

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Gregarious]

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where did you hear that he was a satanist?

Anything to back that presumption? Just curious, haven't heard anything like that about him.

I guess my question is that what are people's thoughts on this political activist? Cause of all the political discussions here on ATS I haven't seen anyone talk about him at all and to me it looks as though he has quite a bit of supporters.

No he's not a satanist. Many people claim he's leading a cult, but that's not the same as a satanist. I have read and listened to La Rouche myself and he seems to be on the up and up. On his website he has a youtube video called the real American History which I strongly believe is right on target. I believe he's a true patriot with not enough backers and money to get him a loader voice. Although that may be changing as things become worse here in the US and poeple start loosing more jobs and the price of gas and food become higher and higher. Lyndon La Rouche really starts to make sense when things aren't as comfortable as they use to be