It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
my guess is that this plane is going to see very limited use. the operating costs ALONE would seem enough to bankrupt any airline flying these continuously.
Originally posted by RichP
The A-380 costs marginally more to purchase than a 747, but costs only 75% to fly the same routes as a 747. It can carry more passengers at a lower cost, with a comparable flight time. The airlines that buy it will be laughing.
Originally posted by RichP
Every airport which an airline has expressed interest in flying an A-380 to has already started upgrading its terminals to allow passengers to embark and disembark on both levels at the same time should an aircraft capable of such a feat
Originally posted by browha
I'm very tempted to throw you on my ignore list after that comment.
Originally posted by browhaNATURALLY these people build planes that are not cost-effective to fly... that's why they do it
Originally posted by RichP
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
my guess is that this plane is going to see very limited use. the operating costs ALONE would seem enough to bankrupt any airline flying these continuously.
The A-380 costs marginally more to purchase than a 747, but costs only 75% to fly the same routes as a 747. It can carry more passengers at a lower cost, with a comparable flight time. The airlines that buy it will be laughing.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by FredT
Ah Airbus. Funny how they kick and Scream about US aerospace company mergers yet stay silent on thier European Government owned airline kickbacks, interest free loans, and on and on.
- Ah come on; tell it like it is/was please!
Europeans didn't just get fed up with US aerospace co. claims regarding dodgy "mergers" it was that whole slice of subsidy dressed up as military expendature that really pissed us off.
You don't think anyone was fooled over that bull# crap & the $7k toilet seats, $4k ashtrays etc etc do you?
As for the idea that the world's airlines aren't interested in lower unit costs per passanger on intercontinental & transcontinental routes!?
Away off and seek medication.....or the next line in dumb Boeing propaganda.
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
ah, well that's a lot more efficient than i had expedted it to be! thanks for the info.
okay, so they're upgrading the terminals. what about the runways? this thing has to be a beast when it comes to landings. both in weight and landing distance.
also, i was thinking from the point that airlines SEVERELY undersell their tickets. so if they kept underselling the tickets for an aircraft of this size, no matter how efficient, it would still not be any better or more revolutionalizing.
okay, so they're upgrading the terminals. what about the runways? this thing has to be a beast when it comes to landings. both in weight and landing distance.
THe A380 takes no longer than the A340 to land and take off, weight is a minor issue, but if an airport takes 747s then apparently it should handle A380s without any problems weight wise.
Originally posted by Infidellic
okay, so they're upgrading the terminals. what about the runways? this thing has to be a beast when it comes to landings. both in weight and landing distance.
THe A380 takes no longer than the A340 to land and take off, weight is a minor issue, but if an airport takes 747s then apparently it should handle A380s without any problems weight wise.
I have read somewhere that as the A380 will use more wheels......given the equations for pressure (the main factor in runway stability for landings) the more area there is (more tyres) then the less pressure exerted. Apparently there will actually be only marginally more pressure than a 747. However most airports (like London Heathrow) do not have a problem with the runways but with the taxiways. The runways are strengthened already for harder landings but the taxiways are not. This along with the aforementioned terminals is where most airports are spending most of their time and money upgrading. Stands also have this problem (where the pressure is concentrated for longer periods)
Or so I have read
Originally posted by FredT
[
-koji K.
Originally posted by roniii259
I think this new plane will be a big flop just like the concorde was (only the concorde should never haad been put out of service- the only passenger plane that i could describe as sexy)here are my reasons
1. Development and production costs: It took allot of money to design and build this plane, so even if they get a respectable amount of orders Airbus will be in deep trouble
2. airline slump: with the exception of inexpensive startup companys, many airlines are downsizing and not really making a profit. how will this mega plane sell if everyone is getting rid of planes rather than buying them
3. fuel costs: a plane that big will drink allot of fuel and it will cost allot to buy fuel
4. Hub philosophy: the A380 relies on the old hub and spoke ohilosophy of airlines. Now a days people are demanding more direct flying, and this system is being phased out. Medium planes are more apropriate than large ones.
The 7e7 seems to fit all of these criteria, so I think it will do better.
I leave for France on July 8
Ah yes more propaganda from the "continent".
The bottom line is Airbus and the EU spout fair trade at every oppurtunity, yet thier practice is a different matter. Ask the people of Pratt and Whitney Canada about fair EU trade practices. The A400M Transport is suing engines from a EU company despite the fact that PW bid was lower and offered a better engine.
Typical of thier trade practices.
How many A380 orders are comming from government owned airlines. Spare me the fact that despite AF and Luftansa have gone public, they remain at the beck and call of thier govenments.
The ME and Asian airlines have ordered them because they make sence and Airbus has little risk involved because of the no fault (maybe even no payback) loand they recived from the EU.
They can aggressivly market thier planes and sell them at an attrition based cost.
There is no denying that such a large plane will have lower cost per seat mile than a classic 747-400ERX. What remains to be seen is if the business model Airbus is pushing is correct.
I think Airbus may break even
How many A380 orders are comming from government owned airlines. Spare me the fact that despite AF and Luftansa have gone public, they remain at the beck and call of thier govenments.