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Topic started on 29-7-2009 @ 07:17 PM by CUBD1
I'm curious as to whether anyone here has heard of an "underground base" existing near Sedona, Arizona?

In light of the Dulce, NM "underground base" news of late (the conference held in Dulce this year and the "UFO Hunters" episode), I decided to re-open my old web site (www.basetruth.info) detailing the underground base activity in central Arizona.

I lived in Sedona for over ten years, and during that time I heard all of the stories of paranormal activity, UFOs, and, specifically, rumors of an "underground base" in the nearby mountains. I took up my own investigation, mostly out of curiosity, and everything I found I've put up on my web site (there's actually a bit more I haven't added yet, as I've got old boxes back in Arizona full of information from ten years ago that I've yet to re-open).

During the 1990s I investigated this phenomena extensively, I interviewed locals, I compiled all of the known stories and I even put ads the local paper seeking witnesses. My friends also helped me out (the "investigators" referred to on my web site), and we related stories and information together over the phone and during planned investigative excursions. I also spent a lot of time in the geographic area in question, the "hotspot" known as Secret Mountain, and I experienced some incredibly strange things of my own!

My feeling is that, assuming there is truth to all of this, what is out there in the mountains is probably very similar to the Dulce, New Mexico base. If there is a "base" (a big "if", of course), it is of extraordinary secrecy. I believe the technology is certainly in place. It requires somewhat of a "paradigm-shift" in perspective to accept something as exotic and incredible as this, and that's where even I struggle to believe it or accept it. I simply keep an open mind, and I remain skeptical. If anything, I see it as a fascinating local legend or "lore", from an anthropological perspective; and to that end, I've found no "rational" explanation for where or why these stories got started in the first place.

There is also a ranch in the area very similar to the one described in George Knapp's book, "Hunt For the Skinwalker". In reading that book, I was amazed at how similar the stories at the ranch in Utah parallel the one in Arizona. The Bradshaw ranch (one I've been to and visited myself, the proprietors of which I have interviewed), the one featured in the book "Merging Dimensions", experienced the same kind of bizarre paranormal activity in the 1990s, including balls of lights, UFOs, even bigfoot sightings and other creatures, the "Taos hum" and strange military vehicles in the area.

I've never seen anyone yet make the connection between the two books, but they are significant.

I hope that this web site adds to the cannon of information available on the internet, and when "underground bases" are referenced, they should include the one in Arizona (three books have been written referencing the Arizona base, they include "Merging Dimensions" by Tom Dongo, "The Truth About The Men In Black", by Jenny Randles, and another book that was privately published in the late 90s, the name of which eludes me, as I have not read it in over ten years. My copy of it is still in Arizona and I hope to retrieve it on my next trip back. The book was written by a woman who detailed paranormal phenomena she experienced in Sedona, including experiences with respect to the so-called "base" in the area. I was naturally in shock when I first saw it on the local bookshelves, but I do not believe it was very widely published).

Please view the web site and leave your comments, and if you have any personal experiences to relate, I would love to hear from you.

www.basetruth.info

-- Justin


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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 07:35 PM by antar
Yes, I have experienced the base which you talk about. There is an area back behind Coffee Pot rock and due west that literally lit up one night while I was finishing my work at the Beyond Beyond Center.

The sky was illuminated a bright reddish orange and it looked as if there was a fire raging, but no sirens and no emergency vehicles attempted to go to the area.

Several of my friends decided to go towards the direction and see what they could discover. I felt a very strong urge to stay behind even though it was probably my idea to go investigate in the first place lol.


Always having been an outback explorer, it was kind of strange for me to stay behind.

Anyway the stories came back to me the following day that they had encountered guys dressed in black fatigues as they climbed the mountain and that they were told to return back the way they came and to never return. They were scared out of their minds because the guy that caught them sneaking a peak was heavily armed and they got the distinct impression he meant business.

Meanwhile back at beyond beyond I had an experience that I am not willing to share at this point but that was most definitely Alien related and left me quite puzzled as to the Gray phenomena and how they are viewed by the majority of people.

I made calls that night and woke friends asking what they knew of the Grays, I meant really knew, not just what they had read or heard and not a single person could confirm what I knew about them. Everyone sounded as if they were automatons speaking the same propaganda verbatim.



Also I was very good friends with John Bradshaw Both dad and son and while visiting my family in the area a few weeks back I discovered that now only the wife is surviving, quite sad I was. Have you been to the caves and seen the drawings back there? It is very sacred and at one time the Old man took me back and it is a story unto itself.



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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 07:42 PM by BaronVonGodzilla
reply to post by CUBD1



I've had six UFO sightings since I moved here 3 years ago.

Arizona is a strange and frightening place. I am really scared of UFO's and I can't wait to move far away from here. Practically every night there are sightings in this state, Mufon gets them constantly.


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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 07:50 PM by antar
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Wow I am sorry to hear that you feel that way. I suggest you stay away from some of my upcoming articles on this forum. Let me know if i can help in anyway .


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 07:58 PM by Shaun1111
Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
reply to post by CUBD1



I've had six UFO sightings since I moved here 3 years ago.

Arizona is a strange and frightening place. I am really scared of UFO's and I can't wait to move far away from here. Practically every night there are sightings in this state, Mufon gets them constantly.


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nothing to be afraid of, honestly.

unless they are government craft..hehe

the real spacecraft are our brothers and sisters...actually we are related to all living things.

actually we are part of the all that is

oh and yes Arizona get's lots of action..

south mountain is a fun place to watch the show of universal life

all is good..

much love to you all.

namaste'


reply posted on 30-7-2009 @ 12:29 AM by Outrageo
I lived in Sedona myself for a number of years while I was attending grad school in Flagstaff. While there I hiked and explored over much of the terrain in the area - most of which I'm sure you're familiar with: Boynton, Sycamore, and Oak Creek Canyon (esp. West Fork); Schnebley Hill, Mingus Mtn., Page Springs and the upper Verde River area.

Like anyone else who has spent anytime there at all, and one of the things that attracted me to that beautiful, unique place, were all of the stories about Sedona being a UFO hot spot, "Vortex", visitation site, and many other para-type anomalies. So - I went looking for some of them.

I only vaguely remember a brief mention of a secret base, but nothing on the scale of Dulce and not underground - more like hidden in the recesses of one of the canyons. Now that I think about it, there was also a rumor that there was some kind of outpost or something on top of one of those Buttes just north of Coffee Pot Rock above Boyton Canyon. The top of the buttes was completely inaccessible from the ground below, with vertical walls all around.

Supposedly, one can occasionally see some activity on top of this butte from the vantage point of the top of Sedona Airport road, which climbs up the side of a north-facing cliff on Hwy 89A a few miles opposite (south of) the Boynton Canyon area.

I drove up to the airport a few times at night to see if I can see anything unusual, but nothing appeared to me. I was probably distracted by the fantastic view of Sedona at night down below and glowing up at all those red rock formations around town.

During my many hikes, I did find a few unusual things (I was also somewhat of an amateur archeologist and treasure hunter during this time as well - and have written about buried gold and other historical records elsewhere) - but nothing that I would confidently attribute to the real goal and talk-of-the-town: aliens and UFO's.

I did see a couple of lights-in-the-sky types of weird things, but the sky was always so clear and magnificent up there, and, again, I can't honestly attribute any of the things I saw to anything definitive. I remember one night in particular that I saw an extremely bright light low on the eastern horizon that hung there forever and was rapidly pulsating through very bright, intense colors. As the night wore on, however, and after watching it for some time through binoculars, I became obvious that what I was really watching is Venus slowly rising in the East and the shimmering atmosphere merely magnifies the colors and brightness above the canyon walls. A check on the computer a few hours later confirmed it.

Once or twice I saw a small, fast moving, dark, silent, shadowy craft, very high altitude -but I personally think it was likely a military plane on some kind of maneuver. Who knows?

Anyway - I sure miss Sedona - don;t live there anymore - though I go back to visit now and then. I have had a lot of interesting adventures there (like getting chased out of one secluded canyon by a pack of Javelina!)

So thanks for bringing back some good memories - I'll check out your site - and greetings to all who have lived or visited Sedona.

And if you've never been there - it is one place I recommend ALL ATS-aficionados plan a visit. you'll never regret it or forget it...


reply posted on 31-7-2009 @ 03:32 PM by CUBD1
Sedona is a treasure, and sometimes I wish that it stays a secret forever...

Between Coffee Pot Rock and Wilson Mountain:



In the background, Maroon Mountain and Secret Canyon behind it.



Robber's Roost, looking toward Bear Mountain/Secret Mountain:





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reply posted on 2-8-2009 @ 05:57 AM by mopusvindictus
These "bases" aren't bases, they are nothing more than entrances... and mainly they are small at that... you wouldn't put the entrance to a "burrow" right by the burrow it's senseless

There are entrances near Payson, Holbrook, and SE of Sedona all On the Mogollon Rim and the Colorado Plateau that I have heard decent reliable info on.

About 3,000 feet down from the surface you have this...

aquifer

So a 1/2 mile (deeper in place's) your looking at a veritable great lake under the desert, yet your 1/2 mile or more under ground, perfect protection and yet 3,000 feet above sea level so the pressure is just fine for humans.

Whole situation is made better by the fact that there is so much limestone the water has had to already have cut the worlds largest caverns through the area, entrances were first sealed in the Grand Canyon at the turn of the century after supposedly finding ruins... many other "stories"

but the Hopi legend of emerging from inside the Earth from what we now call Mt Humphrey here in Flag has never been erased...

Extinct Volcano, somewhere under the mountain is a nice long deep lava tube as of course there must be...

Whole area under ground from Colorado all the way out to perhaps the coast of California has underground rivers, massive chambers, I spelunk i've been inside some crazy chambers, I know there is allot more to the picture here cavern wise than anyone has let onto at the least... that much I can say I Know

Just look at the aquifer map it shows the whole picture... From Dulce to Holbrook to Payson... the entrance near Sedona is a recent drill...

Bases?

Maybe a whole city or more and no... it's exact loc wouldn't be right where handfuls of people go and come, at least under construction over long period of time... A Whole civilization has lived down there in this area, at least 1 the Hopi (according to legend) and then...where did the Anasazi go?

Military drilling machines went down in Colorado decades ago... never came up, stories of navigable rivers that release into the pacific, the location of area 51, the devils hole... supposedly limitless in depth in death valley... (i.e. what you drop gets pulled by a current)

The nature of the rock the ease of drilling the water of course must carve massive caverns the aquifer is never full anymore ... so it's navigable by small boat at least in parts.

It tells me a whole story

and that story says this is the best place in America to put your goodies to survive the end in relatively wide open spaces underground... at proper air pressure, with proper ground cover over your head and plenty of water

if you really look at traffic to bases in Colorado, area 51, and the drilling and reports from parts of AZ then factor in... 90% of the area is protected forest... or reservation and simply Empty where few would hear or notice anything a big picture starts to emerge...


I'll keep theory mostly out of it... allot we can speculate, but that we have a plan for nuclear war survival and there are reports of tens of thousands of missing children every year that are never found in the states is all I will say.



Now Dulce, area 51... the stories... of others we have contact with down there...

Probably disinfo if you ask me, many abductions too... my guess is this is about nuclear or catastrophic survival...

I hope








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reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 04:36 PM by Razimus
reply to post by CUBD1


By cannon I assume you mean canon, I've been to sedona many times, sounds like you really took it seriously but aside from a videotape all the words in the world aren't going to be convincing, ever been to that UFO alien shop? it's been closed down for years, the owner of the shop claims he saw 2 saucers chased by a jet or escorted by a jet, all the anecdotes in the world can fill up the pages in a UFO book but I wouldn't automatically assume any of them are true, that place is pretty hippie friendly, and where there's hippies there is drugs, just saying.


reply posted on 14-8-2009 @ 01:09 PM by psychedeliack
Originally posted by Razimus
reply to post by CUBD1

that place is pretty hippie friendly, and where there's hippies there is drugs, just saying.


First of all, thats not completely true. Most of the hippies I know do not use drugs. Drugs meaning addictive substances that serve egoistic desires such as pleasure and enjoyment. There are however, sacred sacraments deeply tied to extra dimensional and extra planetary intelligences. These sacraments can be called drugs by the mainstream, but they are hardly anything less than true spiritual medicines. Im not talking about taking acid or mushrooms, Im talking about real entheogens like 5-MeO-DMT, Ibogaine, Peyote, and Datura. These are definitely powerful substances, but they have no possibility of addiction or recreational use, but if you are truly serious about honestly and openly understanding the full multi dimensional nature of the human existence et UFO phenomenon, you had better get it out of your head that hippies on drugs with ufo stories are full of #. There is a reason why we are so happy and humble

have you ever read True Hallucinations by Terence McKenna?

Or perhaps Inner Paths to Outer Space by Rick Strassman?

Drugs I will agree are bad, but let us not get haphazard with what we label drugs. In a near death experience an unnamed source of omnipotent intelligence once told me, the highest technology is completely organic in nature and that if we neglect to understand the technology nature has already provided us, then the road to our ultimate understanding of multi dimensional existence may be stunted to the degree that we are closed minded to such things...


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 05:20 PM by Outrageo
try the back of Boynton Canyon, like the recesses of Secret Canyon near the end of Dry Creek Road. Though it's been heavily traversed (hippie/NewAger rock cairns are everywhere) the ruins and artifacts here, plus a 'feeling' of presence (can't explain it) may mean others are drawn here for a reason. Haven't found anything 'earth-shattering' myself, but each sojourn has tugged at something inside - portal/vortex/gateway/descending staircase - who knows? Maybe it's nothing at all...

For REAL remote possibilities with exceptional 'vibe' and almost NO modern footprints whatsoever, explore the upper reaches of Sycamore Canyon north of Casner Mountain and west of Dorsey Spring. This is (reportedly) an area where Geronimo and his pals hid out, as well as a sight of many conquistador battles, legends of Anastazi happenings, robbers loot/buried treasure - all sorts of stuff (in addition to that which you seek). People have come out with swords, helmets, artifacts, etc. Warning - this is a VERY rugged, unforgiving area almost completely cut off from the modern world. Easiest access (if you can call it that) would be to camp at White Horse Lake campground (south of I-40), then hoof it to the edge of the canyon (or get a ride) on the FS road to the south flanking Ruin Mountain. Go to the southern end of the FS road/Sycamore Point Rd where you'll be met with a breathtaking view. Have lunch and cold one. Then say goodbye to civilization as you make your way down a steep descent into Sycamore Canyon. Good luck - be prepared - make out a will first.

Oh - and if you find the keymaster/gatekeeper - AND make it back alive - be a good sport and let us know, will 'ya? Thanks...
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