Democrats blame republicans for their own failure.

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WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats alone cannot pass President Barack Obama's ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care, a top lawmaker acknowledged on Sunday. Republicans said they will continue their opposition to a plan they say is simply a government takeover of private decisions.


Uh, why not? Dems have majority in the House, in the Senate, and their own president. They only reason they don't want to do it "alone" is because they would have to foot all the blame for it.
Which brings to mind, if the healthcare plan was that wonderful, wouldn't they want all the credit? Wouldn't this be the final nail in the GOP coffin? Have democrats fully endorse this, exclude all republicans for this wonderful plan, and shut them out for decades.


Uhhh. . . . only the plan is so bad, they have excluded themselves from it.

more. . . . "Now, we're at the final 20 percent and we're trying to work through those details," Axelrod said.

That final piece, however, will require GOP backing — something Sen. Mitch McConnell said was unlikely. The Senate minority leader said congressional Democrats are having difficulty selling a health care bill to their own members.

"The only thing bipartisan about the measure so far is the opposition to it," said McConnell, R-Ky.

It's a reality a key Democratic senator acknowledged. Even though the Democrats enjoy a majority in the Senate, some are skittish about the financial or political costs of the proposals."


They can't even convince members of THEIR OWN PARTY, so they're going after wimpy republicans, who will bend over for the democrats, can you say, "Good bye in 2010?"
The democrats and republicans are scared to death of next years elections. They know how much the american populace is "angry" at them.

Serves them right.

Last exerpt, "When I take this bill to the floor, it will win. We will move forward, it will happen," Pelosi said.


Would someone PLEASE put grandama' to bed? She's up and talking crazy talk again.

I welcome all comments






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[edit on 26-7-2009 by mikerussellus]

Not too surprised in one sense then on the other hand am surprised at the same time.

1. Not too surprised as when elections come up if it fails right out of the gate you want to be able to say you voted against it and assume that the rest of the clan will vote it in.

2. If it succeeds then you can say oh yes we the "democrats" or "I was one of the few republicans to..."

What surprises me is sense when do these people care what the voters think? Look at Tom Daschle, SD votes him out when he looked to be in the prime of his career (which was a wise decision for SD at the time) but he never leaves Washington, just gets himself appointed somewhere else by his buddies. So I'm surprised they may actually care about what the voters think but I guess the jury is still out on that one.

I say down with the bill as it's just poo poo after reading some of it. Will cause more problems than it fixes in the end. Although I do agree with making each procedure a fixed cost so your insurance company can't be charged up the ying yang and cause rates to raise, I still think it's better left out of govt. hands if this bill is our only option.

Heck if a hospital has amazing Dr.'s that do great work go ahead and charge me for their great work then. I'd rather go once and get properly diagnosed than go 10 times and get no diagnosis and still be paying the same price in the end.

reply to post by mikerussellus
Well it's easier for them to blame some one else rather than admit the truth,their policies are un american and detrimental, it is a common trait among pre adolescents and people on the low end of the IQ scale.I see this often in my eight year old.Good news for me;he will grow out of it.Bad news for us TPTB won't.s+f

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Thanks for the reply. I feel that the ONLY time any politician cares about the little people is election time. Then they have to come back to us, lie some more, beg for their jobs and leave us again.

2010 is going to be a FUN year watching them squirm

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Thanks, I guess they really think we are that stupid around election time. I keep hearing over and over on the news shows on how, "This won't be remembered a year, two years from now, they can do what they want."

I have a 6 year old my wife and I have nick-named "The Senator" when ever he tries to lie to us.

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That's a good one.we call our son the price line negotiator whenever we tell him to do something it's always a bartering session..........edit;Maybe we could have William Shatner as some sort of czar? By the way a good nickname for obama could be king wrong.That way when Denzel Washington plays him in a movie he can say "King wrong aint got nothin on me"!

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Well, they had to come up with something.
The truth is that IF they ram through ObamaCare and Cap and Con
then the Democrats WILL lose control of the House and the Senate.
They will have cover if they drag a few Republicans with them.
Good Luck.
ALL of the Republicans in the HOUSE and the Senate should vote
"Present" and just laugh.

If they pass this it won't matter who is in power during 2010. They will keep the healthcare system even if there is a change. So don't hope for the republicans to change it if it happens. I mean seriously we have been marching toward socialism in this country for the last 100 years and name one time it changed. It hasn't We are still being taxed to fund all the freebies for the democratic voting block and nothing changes. Both of the parties should be labeled traitors and voted out of power for once and for all.

Democrats this Republicans that...divide the nation and keep them bickering...liberal this conservative that.All the while both parties wine and dine in luxury restaurants,make deals with big business,rake in the cash,undermine the system and the people.These guys and gals must have one big smile and laugh before bed that they are getting away with it all.I know i would.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
Uh, why not? Dems have majority in the House, in the Senate, and their own president. They only reason they don't want to do it "alone" is because they would have to foot all the blame for it.

I believe so. When the climate change bill was passed in the House, only 8 republicans voted for it. And they were blamed for it's passing:

The bill passed with 219 votes, just enough for passage. Forty three Democrats voted against the bill and eight Republicans voted for it.

thehill.com...

Notice that spin? They point out how many reps voted aye and the dems who voted nay.

One ATS member says this concerning the article:

This Bill passed by ONLY 7 VOTES! Guess what, EIGHT Republicans voted for it, so THEY made the difference today in its actual passage. I cannot believe these sell out politicians, ESPECIALLY the worst of the worst, the sell out Republican crew.

See how that works? No pointing out of the fact 211 democrats voted for the bill and 168 republicans voted against it. It wasn't the actions of the 211 democrats voting aye that get pointed out- just the 8 republicans voting aye.

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Exactly! This kind of spin could/would be the death for the republican party. Although as another poster pointed out, this bill is going to be the plague for any politician. Republican or democrat, anyone who votes for this or any other long-reaching moster of a bill will have to pay for it. People like Pelosi will be safe only because of where they are from and can be as obnoxious as they want, but for others, they are going to try to fix blame, just as soon as they finish voting.

There is no true republican agenda - or democratic agenda.
The agenda is based on a few people/corps at the top -
jumping into bed with one another, pretending that their agenda is different,
while lining their pockets and the pockets of their friends and corporations
attempting to control this little planet and its inhabitants.

it doesn't matter what you decided to call yourself.

republican, democrat, liberal - etc
black, white, hispanic - etc
catholic, protestant, jew - etc
It's all the same -

You are either a decent human being making
decisions based in truth, integrity and honor
or you or not.

The words are just words.
They are used to separate and divide.
They mean absolutely nothing.

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I guess, in a way, I agree with that. Maybe they "artificially" pick sides then play the game.

Kinda' like what we do when a bunch of us old guys play softball. Pick a couple of teams, have some fun, drink too much beer, go to a pizza pub, drink more, then go home so our wives can yell at us.

We just have to remember this come 2010.
I won't forget.