When will these birther threads end? I CANNOT stand Obama. But these threads are really getting ridiculous.

Reply to Maxmars:

From my post prior to yours...

Originally posted by maybereal11
I think you can expect the sound of crickets...as always happens when you debunk this crap...they will slink away and wait for the next mound of BS to be handed to them and they will post...and it will get 60 flags...you will disprove it and get a paltry star and then silence.

Silence or personal attacks....they aren't interested in the truth...no light-bulb moments...the facts have nothing to do with it.

I see you chose personal attacks...

Maybe you could try to man-up next time and post something like..."I really don't like Obama and think his policies are bad for this country, but BS is BS and this is BS and has been proven so"

Just a suggestion. At least I would be able to afford you a modicum of respect and take you seriously once in a while.

Originally posted by Maxmars

Could you possibly contrive to be a bit more zealous and reactive?

I was going to avoid this thread until I saw the circling of vultures overhead...

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maxmars]

BTW - You did manage to avoid this thread. You contributed nothing to the discussion of the OP..just personal attacks.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by maybereal11]

Thread is a waste of time. As previous posters have pointed out , his comments can be explained in any number of ways. I know this is a conspiracy site, but come on folks. I can just see the next thread now....

"Obama says he had 2 eggs for breakfast - sources say he actually had 3!!!! Impeach Obama now!!!!!!!"

Give it a rest

EDIT: to add, I'm no fan of Obama either...

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Curio]

Originally posted by Asherah
When will these birther threads end? I CANNOT stand Obama. But these threads are really getting ridiculous.

And a star for you. We have different opinions, but at least your dislike of Obama isn't expressed by how many lies you can propigate.

Honest debate and discussion welcome...Ignorance and lies denied.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Kettle Black with the steady stream of postings from Obama hating maniacs.

No need for a "ready room" Max. Just the ability to read the OP and a rational mind to spot the BS and the 60 seconds to it takes to examine the facts...

Thats the funniest thing about these threads...they don't require a genuis or even 5 minutes of examination or research to debunk...yet your camp continues to rally around each new pile of BS anew with some form of scrambling desperation.

....damn the facts, screw the truth, this man must be stopped. The American public is dumb, feed them whatever we like. It should be the GOPs motto.

Without respect for truth or honesty the American public will continue to appropriately view the far right and GOP machinery as NOT CREDIBLE, DISHONEST PROPAGANDISTS...and yes these threads on ATS are just one representitive lesion of many upon the diseased GOP party.

For the nations sake...get well soon.


Reply to Maxmars:

From my post prior to yours...

Originally posted by maybereal11
I think you can expect the sound of crickets...as always happens when you debunk this crap...they will slink away and wait for the next mound of BS to be handed to them and they will post...and it will get 60 flags...you will disprove it and get a paltry star and then silence.

Silence or personal attacks....they aren't interested in the truth...no light-bulb moments...the facts have nothing to do with it.

I see you chose personal attacks...

Maybe you could try to man-up[ next time and post something like..."I really don't like Obama and think his policies are bad for this country, but BS is BS and this is BS and has been proven so"

Just a suggestion. At least I would be able to afford you a modicum of respect and take you seriously once in a while.

BTW - You did manage to avoid this thread. You contributed nothing to the discussion of the OP..just personal attacks.
[edit on 24-7-2009 by maybereal11]

Wow, all that angst because of my five line post?

It's not my camp. I am not a political zealot, nor a member or support of the so-call GOP. I hate no one (that could change, I suppose) and most importantly, what you perceived as an attack, was not so intended.

I understand that is what you are dealing in, issues of attacks and barbs of counterattacks, but that paradigm holds no value to me.

I believe that the OP, just as you (or I for that matter) deserve a modicum of respect regardless of the position we may take on any issue.

I was simply responding to the mean-spirited way the collective came down on those posters of opposing views (who were equally 'eager' to submit their thoughts.) The humor I thought I employed was obviously lost to all but myself.

I can honestly say that I am not inclined to apologize since in retrospect, I don't think what I posted was 'personal' or an 'attack' in any way. It was directed at the 'cooperative' nature of the 'debunking' effort, which took a very nasty tone with anyone daring to opine differently on the subject.

My 5 line post was non-contributory? Perhaps, if you so judge it. But my judgment was that it was a way to contrast the verbal assault provided to the OP and those participating in the thread. Facts don't have to be delivered in an 'in your face' or demeaning manner to remain viable facts.

I won't bother to go too much further here, because I don't want to interfere with the righteous rantings of those who - quite fervently - insist that the mere act of scrutiny is 'offensive' to their sensibilities. Or even those who will rant about a man who is neither in control of his situation, nor the architect of his term of public service.

U2U me if you wish to discuss the matter further, I would like to assure you, I am not a hateful or spiteful poster, but I suspect you have already categorized me as such for your like-minded members. I would just appreciate it if you saved your disparaging comments for a more private forum where you can tell me that you can't take me seriously, or you can refuse to offer me respect, without insulting me publicly.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maxmars]

I'm one who believes he is not a native born and is hiding his actual origin of birth, but even this one I can give the benefit of the doubt on that he saw it in Hawaii.

First off I would like to say that I believe most politicians ,including most presidents tell people what they think the majority would like to hear.
Its about getting elected and selling themselves the best they can.If anyone thinks other wise they must be truly niave.
If a person goes for a job ,any job, they must sell themselves,even after they get that job they at least have to keep selling themselves when the boss is around if they want to keep their jobs .This is no different for the president all presidents not just Obama.

That said I still haven't made my mind up about Obama yet.One thing that might be strange though is from his quote earlier in the thread.

The country continues to draw inspiration from what you've done. I should note, just personally, I grew up in Hawaii, as many of you know, and I still recall sitting on my grandfather's shoulders when those capsules would land in the middle of the Pacific and they'd get brought back and we'd go out and we'd pretend like they could see us as we were waving at folks coming home. And I remember waving American flags and my grandfather telling me that the Apollo mission was an example of how Americans can do anything they put their minds to.

If like alot of people say he could of witnessed the Apollo missons from 1971 on cause he was in Hawaii ,he states he remembers sitting on his Grandfathers shoulders.

How old was he in 1971 and on? If he was close to a teenager what, teenager do you know that would sit on their Grandfathers shoulders to watch any event ? Must have been a pretty strong Grandfather or small Obama!!!!

Originally posted by Maxmars

I can honestly say that I am not inclined to apologize since in retrospect, I don't think what I posted was 'personal' or an 'attack' in any way. It was directed at the 'cooperative' nature of the 'debunking' effort, which took a very nasty tone with anyone daring to opine differently on the subject.


[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maxmars]

Hey max..questioning and scrutiny is not "offensive"...with a genuine interest in the truth it can lead to enlightenment on a given subject. Ignoring the facts given to you simply becuase they run counter to what you want to believe...well that might not be "offensive" but it is frustrating to those trying to provide answers.

as for your post not being a personal attack...you mocked the camp that was actually looking to get to the truth for caring about the truth.

Originally posted by Maxmars
My goodness, do you guys have a 'ready room' for when Obama threads get made?

Do alarms and klaxons sound and everyone runs to the keyboard?
[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maxmars]

Then continued on to refer to those arguing facts in face of evident BS as "Zealous", "Reactive" "Vultures".

Originally posted by Maxmars
Could you possibly contrive to be a bit more zealous and reactive?

I was going to avoid this thread until I saw the circling of vultures overhead...
[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maxmars]

I have been posting in the political forums for a reasonable amount of time now, like yourself.

I know your aren't GOP or Dem...you are not without strong bias though in my persoanl opinion.

In the end I will refer your to my post above. I can be an ass at times, but no less correct.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by maybereal11]

[edit on 24-7-2009 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by Hazelnut
Prove that the person making the statement is uncorruptible...

So I offer proof to OP's request (and you offer none) and now The Hawaiian politician is corrupt and you demand more? Seriously mam, you're joking right?

...then I'll give you a star.

There is no sunlight to illuminate the star in the place where I kindly suggest you place it.




[edit on 24-7-2009 by kinda kurious]