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If Satan=UFOs & Satan mimicks Jesus, Will Jesus come in a UFO?

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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I'm not a Christian myself but have a few questions for the Christians here...

(1)It seems a whole lot of Christians view UFOs and ETs as being the fallen angels/workers of Satan. Given Satan mimicks Jesus in many ways, could one presume Jesus and his soldiers themselves fly around in UFOs and that the second coming will see Jesus and his fleet of ships in the sky ? So that the "false second coming " and the "real" second coming both involve UFOs....

(2)Also, in Revelations, the second coming describes Jesus and his heavenly army coming in the skies and waging war on the unfaithful and ruling with an iron fist.....and somewhere else we read how Jesus "comes in the clouds" ...so taking into account the first part of my question does this indicate that Jesus's UFO fleet attacks the people on earth in some way ??? But kills only those who DON'T have the seal of God on their forehead , perhaps through using some sort of advanced weapon that can distinguish between the godly/sealed and ungodly/not sealed.

(3)Going back to the UFOs are occupied by demons issue....nowhere in scripture is there mention of some sort of attack on humans from ships/beings from the sky outside of the battle mentioned in respect of Jesus's second coming, so if there is to be a FALSE second coming then there won't be some alien attack by the fallen angels...which would make sense as they will be here to try and win mankind over, which they would hardly be able to do if they were attacking Earth .
Let's look at it logically....the UFO-Demons have been here in ever increasing numbers for 60 years. They are obviously trying to win mans trust so it seems more logical that when they fully reveal themselves to the world in the guise of "the second coming" that they will remain benign on the surface and not attack .... does this make sense to you as a Christian ? Scripturally you are not warned of Satan and his side kicks waging any kind of war from the skies in ships (as far as I know and I've read a fair bit of prophecy)so you can't be expecting some sort of UFO attack from his lot ?


How do you, as a Christian, things ? Thanks in advance for your thoughts




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Revelation 9 1-11

Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fall from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the deep hole that leads to the bottomless pit. Then it opened up the hole that leads to the bottomless pit, and smoke came up from the hole like smoke from a big furnace. Then the sun and sky became dark because of the smoke frome the hole. Then LOCUSTS came down to the earth out of the smoke, and they were given the power to sting like scorpions. They were told not to harm the grass on the earth or any plant or tree. They could harm only the people who did not have the sign of God on their foreheads...These locusts were not given the power to kill anyone, but to cause pain to the people for five months....and the pain they felt was like the pain a scorpion gives when it stings someone. During those days people will look for a way to die, but they will not find it. They will want to die, but death will run away from them.. The LOCUSTS looked like horses prepared for battle...On their heads they wore what looked like crowns of gold, and their faces looked like human faces. Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. Their chests looked like IRON BREASTPLATES, and the sound of their wings was like the noise of many horses and chariots hurrying into battle. the locusts hasd tails with stingers like scorpions, and in their tails was their power to hurt people for 5 months. The locusts had a KING who was the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in the Hebrew Language is Abaddon and in the Greek Langugage is Apollyon.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Hi cosmicpixie/

As a Christian Orthodox myself, I know that Demons can appear as they wish you to see them.
If one has little faith in Christ and is lukewarm, then one can easily be decieved...
If on the other hand one has alot of faith,then again they also can be easily deceived!
It doesn't make sense but this is very true.
Early Christian monks lived on their own in deserts,caves and mountains ,many of them experienced similar alien deceptions of all kind.
One story goes a monk was praying,as this is the usual practise of a monk to do so many times throughout the day and night,an angel of light appeared to him.
The monk being a rightious elder was glad of the angel appearing to him as he often prayed and fasted according to the faith and assumed God had sent him this angel.
The angel told the monk that God found him worthy and sent him to pray in place of the monk.
The monk understood this as good and stopped praying and did other work instead of the usual prayers and devotion of humbleness to God.
Word got around to other monks that the monk was prophesieing about strange stuff...not according to Gods Word.
Many people began to see this monk and hear of their future foretold...all the monks prophesing was to do with Worldy matters, and not Spiritual edifying...
When the eldest of the monks heard this, he immediately understood this was a deception of the devil.The advice given to the monk was that he tell the angel(demon)that he was UNWORTHY and that God would understand this.He was to tell the angel(demon)that he was a sinner and not worthy of God giving him special attention...(hense the prayer of ''Lord Jesus Christ,Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner'',orriginated from these monks and elders)he was to also Cross himself and repeat unworthiness.
The monk did all this upon seeing the angel(demon)and the demon upon hearing this vanished without a word.
There are thousand of stories like this one...I read this one awhile back.
Demons use cunning ways to trap a man....the above case was not to appear as a demon,because demons are enemies of God,and therefore their appearance would give them away.It would make sense for the demons to appear as angels of light and therefore deceive that way.
A demon would appear as whatever the person wishes him to appear as...demons are ALSO known to be telepathic,reading thoughts and Gossips are their specialty amongst fortune tellers.
Pyschics unknowingly gather their fortune telling by telepathic spirits(demons)seances and the likes are another deception cleverly diguised.
(speaking from experience)
If one was scared of Demons, then they would alter the way they look to fit in with what was expected of them to look like.


The Devil and his demons are most cunning that even the Elect will be deceived....this is why we are told to watch and pray,at all times!
Here is a little on U.F.O's and it's deception.
Charismatic Revival
As a Sign of the Times
by Fr. Seraphim Rose.....


This is very elementary. If you read any text of the early Fathers, any of the early Lives of Saints or the Lausiac History, you find many cases where beings suddenly appear. Nowadays they appear in spaceships because that's how the demons have adapted themselves to the people of the times; but if you understand how spiritual deception works and what kind of wiles the devil has, then you have no problems in understanding what's going on with these flying saucers.
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Ok, sorry I went of the subject.
Spiritual deception about the End of Days will be the most deceptive because many people have known prophecies that are not Gods Word but those of the false prophets and lies of people that think they undestand Revelation.
The deception itself is no the problem....We are told that Jesus Christ will come in the clouds and after that, it is Judgment Day for all.
Jesus Christ will NOT set up a WORLDY kingdom..He comes in GLORY means He comes as a Judge,surrounded by His Heavenly Kingdom,Angels and His Saints!
We know that the Antichrist will set up his kingdom as WORDLY and not speak a word about ones SOUL.
Jesus Christ REFUSED miracles that came to nothing...wordly matters.
Antichrsit will do the exact opposite to satisfy the peoples wants in this world.
We also have the two prophets who will come at the same time as the appearance of the Antichrist, or just before to warn ALL the people about the coming catastrophies and deceptions...
Three and half years will they testify and when they finish their testimony, antichrist shall put them to death....same place where Jesus Christ was Crucified.
After their death,the Antichrist shows HIS true colors!
The tortures begin of all who wont worship him or receive his mark...
It will be Save your soul in Christ,or lose the battle with Satan.
It is said that the END of Days will be the most horrific of all times that man has ever known...
Many have prophesied that before the antichrist appears in the world scene, many people shall start to die from all kinds of ailments...
So,hope you understood a little of what I said...
It's late here,So hope it makes sense,

Take care,
ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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I am not a Christian but I can give you insight according to what The Most High word says.

Yes the MessiYah Yahoshua (his true hebrew name) will be coming back in UFO' as we call them they were deescribed as Chariots of Fire, Clouds, Column of Cloud, Horses. They descibed what they saw the best they could. As we do in modern time by calling them Flying Saucers which they are not but we had to compare it to things we are familiar with.

Mat 24:30 “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem.

1Th 4:17 Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air – and so we shall always be with the Master.

Luk 21:27 “And then they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming in a cloud with power and much esteem.

So as you can see just from these scriptures that he is coming back in Flying Vehicles that the Israelites described as clouds.

Psa 68:17 The chariots of Yah are twenty thousand, Thousands of thousands; Yah came from Sinai Into the Set-apart Place.

Now do you think he is describing horse drawn chariots nah. The Most High has many of these UFO's as we call them. So Satan and his Angels have them as well because he want's to be just like the Most High Yah. These are the Angels method of transportation.

And yes when the MessiYah returns he will wipe out all wicked who are on the earth there is Jude and Revelations Ch 19

Jud 1:14 And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied of these, saying, “See Yah comes with His myriads of set-apart ones, (Angels)
Jud 1:15 to execute judgment on all, to punish all who are wicked among them concerning all their wicked works which they have committed in a wicked way, and concerning all the harsh words which wicked sinners have spoken against Him.”

Rev 19:14 And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

Rev 19:15 And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Yah

Rev 19:17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid-heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great Yah,

Rev 19:18 to eat the flesh of sovereigns, and the flesh of commanders, and the flesh of strong ones, and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the sovereigns of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to fight Him who sat on the horse and His army.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he led astray those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. The two were thrown alive into the lake of fire burning with sulphur.

Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

As you can see from scripture When he returns he is returning for War a very one sided war. CONTINUED



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Actually we are warned about Satan returning. There has been a lot of false teaching from those who don't truly understand the bible.
Here is one Satan is in Hell and he has horns and when you die that's where you go blah blah blah

Satan is not in Hell because well there is no hell (hell in Hebrew just means the grave)

Where he is though is in the Heavens. Not the highest heaven were The Most High is he got kicked out he is in the lower heavens where we are what scientist call Solar System or Planetary Stystem. lets see what the word has to say about this. REVELATIONS CH 12. Now this is a futrure event not the account when was kicked out to the lower levels of heaven

Rev 12:7 And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Mikael and his messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his messengers fought,

The dragon is Satan (messengers are Angels) So they are fighting in the heavens in space as we say.

Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for them in the heaven any longer.

Hold on it say's that there was no longer a place found for him in the heavens. That lets you know that where he has been dwelling since his fall him and his angels who fell with him but now he is getting kicked out of heaven period all levels lets continue

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.

So now he has to come to earth and he will no longer be able to leave our atmosphere. This is when the Great so called Alien deception will take place and they will reveal themselves fully as our saviours blah blah offer up technology all kinds of false sign and wonders heal the sick lets continue.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in the heaven, “Now have come the deliverance and the power and the reign of our Yah and the authority of His Messiah, for the accuser of our brothers, who accused them before our Yah day and night, has been thrown down.

Rev 12:11 “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death.

Rev 12:12 “Because of this rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has little time.”

This will be the cause for the great Alien Invasion on a World Wide Scale as you will. Now he just sends his little workers the Angels under him these are not Demons because according to the book of Enoch Demons are the disembodied spirits of Giants and they are limited to earth to oppress and afflict and cause destruction they can possess people but they are not Alien.

No they are not going to attack when they come because they have to gain people's trust they desire to be worshiped. Just like in Ancient times they were worshiped by Sumerians, Myans, Egyptians etc they will offer all the things I see posters on here in other threads wishing for that Aliens come and help humanity and heal diseases and offer technology and make things peaceful and they will do this initially. There not going to say Hey we are supenatural fallen angels and satan is our leader. That's not how he works he is a deciever a master at that. What do you think the solution to this New World Order is and who do you think these people wan't this Order for themselves nah man is not that smart.

Hope that helps anymore questions feel free to ask.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by truthofyah12]



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Thank for all the effort that went into posting all of that.
If you are not Christian then what is your view on the so called "good guys", the ones who come to wipe out all the ungodly and establish the kingdom...are they really "good guys" in your personal opinion ?
After all, there are numerous passages in the bible where "god" speaks of deliberately sending tests and delusions to mankind...the false prophet who works signs and wonders like Jesus is one such example....makes one wonder if these gods aren't just playing both parts , making all kinds of SHTF including a false messiah before the "real deal" comes and "saves" what is left of mankind (which won't be very much by the sound of it once the tribulation is over)



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicpixie
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Thank for all the effort that went into posting all of that.
If you are not Christian then what is your view on the so called "good guys", the ones who come to wipe out all the ungodly and establish the kingdom...are they really "good guys" in your personal opinion ?


Even as a Christian, I will tell you that the "Bad Cop, Good Cop" routine is very real! Since ancient times!

Since the Bible didn't give EXACT dates but the signs. Signs can be manipulated and we can have a scripted 'evil vs good' kinda battle where the evil side fights the good side and the 'good side' winning, but they are simply all led by the same evil entities.

You can hear in the TV that Jesus is coming within our lifetimes, but I tell you what, we don't know, it could be in a billion years... And within that billion years, probably a million Anti-Christs or False Christs will appear ensuring 99.999% of world population and future generations are decieved!

I could only advice vigilance and wisdom! Do not be fooled, whether your religious or not! Even if you're not religious, I'm pretty sure those 'powers' out there, can act out 'God' and deceive many even you Atheists out there!


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posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 03:07 AM
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If satan and all his demons can turn into anything they wish, then why have they waited, they could turn into a god and take over...isnt it ridiculous to believe in "warring gods"? Its like a comic book! And we are stuck in the middle of THEIR war? For what? No one has ever died and came back to tell us what is really there..so no one knows. The christian aspect is just so tiring.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
If satan and all his demons can turn into anything they wish, then why have they waited, they could turn into a god and take over...isnt it ridiculous to believe in "warring gods"? Its like a comic book! And we are stuck in the middle of THEIR war? For what? No one has ever died and came back to tell us what is really there..so no one knows. The christian aspect is just so tiring.


Hi yummy Free/

The demons have not waited until now, it began a long time ago,only difference is that they SHAPE shift(I'm sure you are aware of this word)into something of which them to be believed as .
Eg/
Alien beings outer space...todays mentality.
Early christianity had similar stories but the demons appeared as evil,scary looking to scare...later they would appear as whatever was needed for them to be believed.
They actually appear as gods...this is mentioned in the Bible!
Jesus Christ went AGAINST such beliefs because it was a FACT that many turned away from Worship of God and worshipped the DEVIL himself.
This is widely known that DEMONS want to be worshipped..in order to deceive...the war began in Heaven...Lucifer fell and began his deception right away.
''41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
42 Then God turned,
and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
as it is written in the book of the prophets,
O ye house of Israel,
have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
ACTS...Chapter 7 :41,43...I wonder what the ''the star of your god Remphan,'' refers to???

And then we have the Old Testament...'' 25 Have ye offered to me victims and sacrifices,
O house of Israel,
forty years in the wilderness?
26 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of your god Raephan,
the images of them which y made for yourselves.
27 And I will carry you away beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, the Almighty God is his name.
AMOS...Chapter 5:25,27

So, you see the whole DECEPTION began a long time ago...actually,since God created Adam and Eve.
The whole war thing is about Satan wanting complete control of what God created..Satan wants to destroy man...As he tried by his first deception in the garden of Eden...The serpant said.. ''You shall not DIE''...DEATH cam to all of HUMAN KIND...Jesus Christ DESTROYED DEATH by His Crucifixion and Resurrection(As prophesied in the Old Testament)...For this, SATAN is real mad and he's out to destroy the whole of mankind.

ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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Thank You for taking the time to read all that. I didn't intend for it to be that long.

Yes they are really good. This is why he is coming to destroy the works of Satan and all those that follow him and those that will worship the beast and his image. Lets look at scripture as to why Yah (this is his name not God which is a pagan title) will give them this delusion.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, in order for them to be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this reason Yah sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood
2Th 2:12 in order that all should be judged who did not believe the truth, but have delighted in the unrighteousness.

Because they did not love the truth this is the key. Now we must find out what the truth is according to scripture

Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah (First five books of the Bible where the laws are) is truth.

Psa 119:151 You are near, O Yah and all Your commands are truth.

So we can see that his laws and commandments are truth. So those who say the Old Testament is done away with or the Law doesn't apply anymore will be given up to this delusion.

This is why John Ch 8 says you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. People use this all the time and don't truly understand what it means.

It's saying you shall know the laws and commandments and you shall be free, free from sin and the punshiment for sin
because according to 1 John ch 3 v 4 Sin is the transgression of the law.


So if there is no laws to be kept there is no sin and if there is no
sin there is no punishment for sin. Hence why the Anti-MessiYah is called the lawless one.

We all have free will to serve which ever side you wish. But if you choose the wrong one Satan's side then there are consequences. As I see you have read in Revelations if you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

Remember Satan has decieved the whole world according to Rev Ch 12
hmmmm and one major way is through religion

HalleluYah.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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Interesting thread, but I just do not understand this interpretation of the bible.

I NEVER understood that translation of the bible and I probably never will. To me UFO's are nothing more than government projects and operated by humans or genetically engineered humans that can withstand those speeds.

Now to the Questions.



(1)It seems a whole lot of Christians view UFOs and ETs as being the fallen angels/workers of Satan. Given Satan mimicks Jesus in many ways, could one presume Jesus and his soldiers themselves fly around in UFOs and that the second coming will see Jesus and his fleet of ships in the sky ? So that the "false second coming " and the "real" second coming both involve UFOs....


I've heard this, but I do not think that a whole lot of Christians view it that way. I know only some do, but I think they are low in numbers. UFO's are human generated, Jesus doesn't fly in a UFO..lol.. And niether does Satan. No UFO's will not be involved in the second coming, I am pretty sure that is made clear in revelations.



(2)Also, in Revelations, the second coming describes Jesus and his heavenly army coming in the skies and waging war on the unfaithful and ruling with an iron fist.....and somewhere else we read how Jesus "comes in the clouds" ...so taking into account the first part of my question does this indicate that Jesus's UFO fleet attacks the people on earth in some way ??? But kills only those who DON'T have the seal of God on their forehead , perhaps through using some sort of advanced weapon that can distinguish between the godly/sealed and ungodly/not sealed.


No UFO fleet will not attack man and Jesus will not be the commander. If UFO's attack man its human vs. human, nothing more and nothing less. No their is not weapon either. He's divine he doesn't need some weapon to sort people out.



(3)Going back to the UFOs are occupied by demons issue....nowhere in scripture is there mention of some sort of attack on humans from ships/beings from the sky outside of the battle mentioned in respect of Jesus's second coming, so if there is to be a FALSE second coming then there won't be some alien attack by the fallen angels...which would make sense as they will be here to try and win mankind over, which they would hardly be able to do if they were attacking Earth .


Hmmm. Interesting, but I disagree. Demons and Satan have no physical power on earth, until the antichrist is on earth. They do however, have psychological power on earth. Satan and his demons do not take the form of UFO's.





How do you, as a Christian, things ? Thanks in advance for your thoughts


In a very complicated way. UFO's are man made and man generated. The bible does not mention UFO's or anything. As a Christian I just do not understand this interpretation of the bible, I can interpret it in 5 different ways, but I have never been able to interpret it in this way. Interesting discussion, but to me its not only improbable, but impossible.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Most can't understand the simple things in the bible so I don't really expect them to understand the spiritual matters.

I'm sure some will say or even you that this is talking about man made horse drawn chariots and regular puffy clouds but you would be wrong.

Isa 66:15 “For look Yah comes with fire and with His chariots, like a whirlwind, to render His displeasure with burning, and His rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 “For by fire and by His sword Yah shall judge all flesh, and the slain of Yah shall be many –

Psa 68:17 The chariots of Yah are twenty thousand, Thousands of thousands; Yah came from Sinai Into the Set-apart Place.

2Ki 2:11 And it came to be, as they continued on and spoke, that see, a chariot of fire with horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Ěliyahu went up by a whirlwind into the heavens.
ummm horses don't fly and neither do chariots but they are describing it by what they knew at that time what mode of transportation they knew

Eze 1:4 And I looked and saw a whirlwind coming out of the north, a great cloud with fire flashing itself. And brightness was all around it, and out of its midst like glowing metal, out of the midst of the fire,

Have you ever seen a cloud with fire flashing bright like glowing metal (glowing metal hmmmm)
that sounds like a modern day description of a UfO

Num 14:14 and they shall say to the inhabitants of this land they have heard that You, Yah are in the midst of these people, that You Yah are seen eye to eye and that Your cloud stands above them, and You go before them in a column of cloud by day and in a column of fire by night.

I mean there are more scriptures but if anyone can't get it from these few scriptures they will never get it and so be it. It's not for everyone the scripture says most will believe the deception. And this Fallen Angel UfO so called Aliens will be a major part of it and sense some think they are all man made (some are) when they see these beings they will believe whatever they tell them we created man we are your gods worship us blah blah blah they will fall for it hook line and sinker. Just like the Ancients did.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Christianity is a way of living. Christianity is what is expected of us in order to become citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven. The Church is the people who have faith in Jesus Christ and his teachings. Life is your citizenship exam.

The so-called UFOs are nothing more then vehicles.

What matters is who is in the vehicles.

My God Yahweh and his hosts use these vehicles.

Satan and his hosts use these vehicles.

Leviathan (The Grays and/or Reptilians? also use these vehicles.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Hi TheMythLives/

There are no mention of space ships in the Bible,that is why you dont understand it!

The argument is that many people began seeing these space crafts and assumed it is mentioned in the Bible...I dont know!
The alien beings mentioned by people are exact replicas of what Early Christian Fathers spoke of....Demons!
Demons are known to change their appearance as they do not have a physical body like human beings.
This is why they will never be captured.
U.F.O's are either man made or they are illusions created by demons....again many of what is seen in the skies today was in fact seen in early Christianity...demons are keeping up with the times,that is all!

ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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The Holy Bible does mention UFOs in so many verses.

The mysterious Grays were the original inhabitants of this planet. They wanted to subvert the Universe, but the Lord Yahweh came ,defeated, and imprisoned them. Then Satan who belongs to the same race as the Kingdom of Heaven tried to overthrow the Lord. One third of the Kingdom of Heaven followed him but they were defeated.Satan and his closest followers are also imprisoned along with the Grays.Where do the Grays live?

UNDER OUR PLATES.ON THIS VERY PLANET. SINCE BEFORE US.

Basically the Lord and his hosts and Satan and his hosts=Humanoids(Nordics?)

Leviathan=Grays and maybe Reptilians?

You think its coincidence Hitler wanted a race similar to the description of these Nordic Aliens?You think its coincidence he wanted to destroy the Jews, who are God's chosen people.The ones God led through the wilderness and helped them destroy the pagan people that followed Satan and his Fallen Angels who masked themselves as Baal, Ra, Osiris and many other countless deities.

UFOs are not illusions and not man made.They are not captured because they are beyond our knowledge and technology.

Likely knowledge they have(by using biblical scripture):Laser Technology,Electromagnetic technology,matter maneuvering devices, and even the secrets of the soul.

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posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Jesus does not need a UFO type of revelation when he comes, the only person who would come up with that idea is the big bad guy called Satan and his fallen ones.

The Bible says he will arrive on a white horse at the end but also there are thrones in which the saved will be in, so it depends how you imagine it, the nearest thing to a UFO is the pyramid or cube of the new Jeruselem.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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But consider that in Revelation animals have symbolism.Not only do you have horses , but also The Lamb, and what about the beasts like the leopard.They are symbolic. And they are not just horses but white horses. That's symbolic.You can't forget about the fire of the Lord and his chariots of fire. And the clouds of glory.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Truth_Valor
But consider that in Revelation animals have symbolism.Not only do you have horses , but also The Lamb, and what about the beasts like the leopard.They are symbolic. And they are not just horses but white horses. That's symbolic.You can't forget about the fire of the Lord and his chariots of fire. And the clouds of glory.

Hi this is nothing personal to you just so other people know.

It does not mean Jesus comming back is going to be a close encounters of the third kind movie either, the Lamb is Jesus the sacrifice, everyone knows that, the beast that takes on different forms and has ten heads is a political system and not a person but their is person also behind it all who will give the mark of the beast, the symbol of it that will be branded on the right hand or forehead.

But does it matter if they come back in flying speed boats either because what ever happens its not going to be an Alien invasion or war event, there is a counterfeit version of that and that is in the Tribulation and not after when Jesus comes back with his followers to judge the earth.

Revelation 14
The Harvest of the Earth
14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man"[a] with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Revelation 19
The Rider on the White Horse
11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.


Although we can relate to it like a UFO event it is not, it is of God and people today have been programmed to think this is a UFO alien event so you never hear the truth as it should be. Yes there is a likeness to countless movies and encounters but that is as far as it goes, Jesus was not an Alien telling us he is comming back to rescue us from Reptiles, or is that the old serpent leading the world astray.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by cosmicpixie
I'm not a Christian myself but have a few questions for the Christians here...

(1)It seems a whole lot of Christians view UFOs and ETs as being the fallen angels/workers of Satan. Given Satan mimicks Jesus in many ways, could one presume Jesus and his soldiers themselves fly around in UFOs and that the second coming will see Jesus and his fleet of ships in the sky ? So that the "false second coming " and the "real" second coming both involve UFOs....

(2)Also, in Revelations, the second coming describes Jesus and his heavenly army coming in the skies and waging war on the unfaithful and ruling with an iron fist.....and somewhere else we read how Jesus "comes in the clouds" ...so taking into account the first part of my question does this indicate that Jesus's UFO fleet attacks the people on earth in some way ??? But kills only those who DON'T have the seal of God on their forehead , perhaps through using some sort of advanced weapon that can distinguish between the godly/sealed and ungodly/not sealed.

(3)Going back to the UFOs are occupied by demons issue....nowhere in scripture is there mention of some sort of attack on humans from ships/beings from the sky outside of the battle mentioned in respect of Jesus's second coming, so if there is to be a FALSE second coming then there won't be some alien attack by the fallen angels...which would make sense as they will be here to try and win mankind over, which they would hardly be able to do if they were attacking Earth .
Let's look at it logically....the UFO-Demons have been here in ever increasing numbers for 60 years. They are obviously trying to win mans trust so it seems more logical that when they fully reveal themselves to the world in the guise of "the second coming" that they will remain benign on the surface and not attack .... does this make sense to you as a Christian ? Scripturally you are not warned of Satan and his side kicks waging any kind of war from the skies in ships (as far as I know and I've read a fair bit of prophecy)so you can't be expecting some sort of UFO attack from his lot ?


How do you, as a Christian, things ? Thanks in advance for your thoughts



I can somewhat agree with your logic but you would have to think about a few points in context.



When every one had departed from the temple, the priests closed the temple and went away. Then Abraham took the axe and cut off the feet of all the idols, except the great god Baal. At its feet he placed the axe, amid the ruins which the statues made, for they, through being old and composed of pieces, fell in pieces. Thereupon, Abraham, going forth from the temple, was seen by certain men, who suspected him of having gone to thieve something from the temple. So they laid hold on him, and having arrived at the temple, when they saw their gods so broken in pieces, they cried out with lamentation: "Come quickly, O men, and let us slay him who bath slain our gods!" There ran together there about ten thousand men, with the priests, and questioned Abraham of the reason why he had destroyed their gods.

Abraham answered: "Ye are foolish! Shall then a man slay God? It is the great God that bath slain them. See you not that axe which he bath near his feet? Certain it is that he desireth no fellows."

'Then arrived there the father of Abraham, who, mindful of the many discourses of Abraham against their gods, and recognizing the axe wherewith Abraham had broken in pieces the idols, cried out: "It bath been this traitor of a son of mine, who bath slain our gods! for this axe is mine." And he recounted to them all that had passed between him and his son.

'Accordingly the men collected a great quantity of wood, and having bound Abraham's hands and feet put him upon the wood, and put fire underneath.

'Lo' God, through his angel, commanded the fire that it should not burn Abraham his servant. The fire blazed up with great fury, and burned about two thousand men of those who had condemned Abraham to death. Abraham verily found himself free, being carried by the angel of God near to the house of his father, without seeing who carried him; and thus Abraham escaped death.'

barnabas.net...


In the Old Testament Apocalypse "beast" represents a worldly political system. Its being cast into the burning flame represents the utter destruction of that system whose characteristics were the symbol of a beast. Could this be a story about an entire people of one faith being persecuted by a political system derived on false ungodly faiths? Was the fire that consumed Abraham's captures supernatural? UFO's?



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 05:31 AM
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There are no known literature of supposed U.F.O'S coming to replace or mimic Christ on earth in Scripture.
If there happens to be some sort of appearance and proof of alien UFO sightings(easily done with lazer space set ups), then it would likely be a deception for the purpose of the the Antichrist.
The early Writings of Christians always spoke of many similar deceptions before the Antichrist appears in the world scene.
Imagine aliens appearing and causing mass deaths....people begin to feel that aliens landing was not such a good idea after all.
The aliens are then captured(supposedly)and destroyed and the people rejoice.
The false prophet testifies to these hostile beings and welcomes in the Antichrist as the Saviour and Prince of the world.
Would not this be a deception of even the elect of God?
We are not quite sure of how the MARK of the Antichrist will be...so, once these supposed aliens are killed for our protection,the people look toward their new found world leader as some HERO and follow him and worship him,they stand in line to receive his personal ID....''I am yours, you are mine' ...
AN actual PROPHECY BY St. Nilus the Myrrh-gusher prophesied: "On the seal will be written the following:
''I am yours.' 'Yes, you are mine.' 'I go willingly, not by force.' 'And I accept you in accordance with your will, and not by force.'
These are four utterances, or inscriptions, which will be written in the middle of this accursed seal...”


ICXC NIKA
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