posted on May, 8 2004 @ 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
No common sense there. We do not do double jeopardy. We do not punish and then allow the world punish them again. That is inhumane.
We do not need war crimes courts as we take care of our own. We recognize that doing such things is wrong. Do you see the difference between us a
Why must the simple stuff be spelled out? Notice, the difference is that we become aware of it ourselves, we report it ourselves and then we rectafy
the problem ourselves. Nazi Germany did not perceive their heinous crimes as being such, and they had no intentions of punishing those who did as
they were instructed to do.
The fact that you guys can't grasp the difference is really beginning to scare the Hell out of me.
It is not double jeopardy. The court martial would be for military offenses, and the war crimes trials would be for war crimes. These people have not
committed a single, simple offense; they have committed multiple offenses against multiple jurisdictions.
What do you think we should do? Say to the world: "Oh, you can trust us to judge and discipline our own properly and fairly?" I'm sorry. These
problems were known long before the pictures came out. There was an internal military document alerting upper military about potential problems. The
Red Cross had reported abuses. Our leadership turned a blind eye. Our government did not take the action necessary to allow us, as a nation, to
"report it ourselves."
A whistleblower reported it. And they did their mom and dad proud when they did it, too. A real American, who understands the principles this country
was founded on. What happens after they blow the whistle? Everybody involved starts making excuses and passing the buck.
So, I can't agree with you about "taking care of our own". That's exactly how other countries would see it, and in the worst light. The world
doesn't trust our leadership in this matter (and in a lot of other matters) now, and for good reason. The Iraqis victims deserve impartial justice
and the right to face their tormentors in an impartial court.
These are war crimes and they need to be handled as war crimes. We don't get special treatment because we are the US. And we shouldn't ask for
Now, before anyone attacks me. Some Iraqis have their own bloody crimes to answer for. Since they present themselves as patriot soldiers, they are
answerable to a war crimes court, too.