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reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 04:10 PM by IgnoreTheFacts
What I love about the most famous cases, is that the farther and farther we get from the date they happened, the more and more "amazing" things we learn from the.......ah....er....creative buffoons that were involved in them and/or their investigation.

I have looked into the whole Rendlsham thing more than I think most here have. Much more than a casual internet search, including phone calls with several of the names I see on these very boards and other means. When it came to light, I was fascinated, and wanted to know more. Unfortunately, the more and more I learned about the actual incident, including the recordings from it, the more and more I had to shrug the whole ting off and then giggle at those that know nothing more about it than the internet ramblings of "experts" and the stories (which seem to be ever evolving) of the principals involved...which has also changed over time and also several who were there that tell different stories.

Radiation on site.......PLEASE. If you believe that then you didn't understand that the unit they were using didn't have the resolution to display what is claimed.

Blinking lights in the woods and all the "airmen" knowing for sure it wasn't a lighthouse (because they all "thought" they were facing the other direction even though a close look indicates they were "not sure" of their actual orientation) Funny, how the recording matches EXACTLY the cycle rate of the lighthouse in the distance. Guess the UFO was just matching that to blend in huh?

I would love to do a write up of everything I have collected on this SHAM of a case (that is a good example of how the internet has ruined the ability to present evidence to the contrary of people's desire to belief the least probable conclusion). But, lucky for me, another guy has pretty much summed up my findings in a nifty 10 minute of so podcast.

Click and Save the Listen, lol

Seriously, spend 10 minutes of you life and listen to this before reading the rest of my tripe.

I can imagine that most will not let the light of common sense, reason and logic shine on one of the "commandments" of the religion of Ufology. But if you can disconnect your belief system, and step back from the ever "evolving" accounts of "those that were there", we might be able to move past idiotic cases like this, and show those that are involved and purposely push things like this on the public that yes we do have a brain, and we are no longer going to blindly discuss such none-sense unless they present the FACTS that some of us went out of our way to discover.

Noticeably missing from cases like this, presented by those that do so, are the majority of the things that seem to discredit or leave doubt in the observer's or readers mind. Wonder why that is?

Ufology is dead. Cases like Roswell and Redelsham along with the loudest voice of Ufology on the internet have "baptized" an entire generation of those interested in this subject and it prevents them from questioning openly one of their sacred cows.

Hate me for saying this, call me an ignorant skeptic, but then continue along the path your on and lets talk in the next 20 years to see if this subject has made any movement based off of the worship of cases like this and others.

Folks, it is far past time to hook our brains back up and take this to the next level.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by IgnoreTheFacts]


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:14 PM by IgnoreTheFacts
Originally posted by fleabit
Meh.. you can dismiss it all if you like......


Hey, I didn't dismiss this case without REALLY looking into it and using my brain. That puts me far and above the group I think you are trying to lump me into.

....but I am also tired of people treating other humans as ignorant morons who cant' tell the difference between something flying over their heads, and a lighthouse some 20 miles away or whatever it was.


First and foremost, if I came across calling them ignorant morons, I should have made a better point to just call them ignorant (which doesn't mean stupid, moron of buffoon, just that they have a lack of knowledge). However, taking the word of some very young service men recounting something years and years later (while often disagreeing with each others accounts) on faith that you want to believe alone is doing a discredit to this subject, and I know you better than that, that's why your one of my trusted friends. Lighthouse?

Let's listen to the recording of the guys seeing the light, then superimpose a beep representing every time the lighthouse would shine in their direction. WOW, it is DEAD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To ignore that evidence in light of taking the word of some exited guys years later is, in my opinion, ignorant.

Even though I'd guess, that lighthouse was well known to them. The thing was right in front of them.


Their accounts has them mixed up on their direction at first, not knowing where they were facing at first. Ever happen to you in the woods..sure it has. And to make believe that THESE KIDS were HIGHLY trained SUPER SOLDIERS who are far and above fault is not really understanding the average 3rd shift military guard mentality at a base where there were very few incidents that EVER required their attention. So when something even remotely "fun" happens they are more than happy to over act, misidentify and misconstrue what was happening in the name of "something to do".

Of course, as usual, I'm sure they are all lying as well as idiots, because of all the fame and fortune it's gotten them. wait...


You have not looked at the facts of this case by yourself, without the internet filter of conspiracy guiding your way, so it does not surprise me that you take this position, but as I pointed out above that is the problem with this subject.

Are they idiots? Maybe, maybe not. But are they ignorant. YES. The "radiation" they reported was using a meter that couldn't give them crap for answers because it was not the right scale to determine the levels were the least bit unusual. In fact, the readings should be thrown out because the were inaccurate, caused by the users being too ignorant to understand what they were trying to measure. Simple as that.

There are TONS of things that are as "simple as that" about this case. Viewed independently they pretty much tear this thing up, viewed as a group they make this case a joke. Simple as that.

Go ahead, look into this for yourself and if you don't come to the same conclusions as I have I'll eat my hat.

And SERIOUSLY, if you are that subscribed to things like this, give the audio link I posted 10 minutes of your life. Especially the part about the lighthouse. It is almost sad when you hear it, as it will dispel the majority of the utter tripe you read about this case on the internet.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by IgnoreTheFacts]


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:36 PM by FireMoon
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Originally posted by fleabit
Meh.. you can dismiss it all if you like......


Hey, I didn't dismiss this case without REALLY looking into it and using my brain. That puts me far and above the group I think you are trying to lump me into.

....but I am also tired of people treating other humans as ignorant morons who cant' tell the difference between something flying over their heads, and a lighthouse some 20 miles away or whatever it was.


First and foremost, if I came across calling them ignorant morons, I should have made a better point to just call them ignorant (which doesn't mean stupid, moron of buffoon, just that they have a lack of knowledge). However, taking the word of some very young service men recounting something years and years later (while often disagreeing with each others accounts) on faith that you want to believe alone is doing a discredit to this subject, and I know you better than that, that's why your one of my trusted friends. Lighthouse?

Let's listen to the recording of the guys seeing the light, then superimpose a beep representing every time the lighthouse would shine in their direction. WOW, it is DEAD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To ignore that evidence in light of taking the word of some exited guys years later is, in my opinion, ignorant.

Even though I'd guess, that lighthouse was well known to them. The thing was right in front of them.


Their accounts has them mixed up on their direction at first, now knowing where they were facing at first. Ever happen to you in the woods..sure it has. And to make believe that THESE KIDS were HIGHLY trained SUPER SOLDIERS who are far and above fault is not really understanding the average 3rd shift military guard mentality at a base where there were very few incidents that EVER required their attention. So when something even remotely "fun" happens they are more than happy to over act, misidentify and misconstrue what was happening in the name of "something to do".

Of course, as usual, I'm sure they are all lying as well as idiots, because of all the fame and fortune it's gotten them. wait...


You have not looked at the facts of this case by yourself, without the internet filter of conspiracy guiding your way, so it does not surprise me that you take this position, but as I pointed out above that is the problem with this subject.

Are they idiots? Maybe, maybe not. But are they ignorant. YES. The "radiation" they reported was using a meter that couldn't give them crap for answers because it was not the right scale to determine the levels were the least bit unusual. In fact, the readings should be thrown out because the were inaccurate, caused by the users being too ignorant to understand what they were trying to measure. Simple as that.

There are TONS of things that are as "simple as that" about this case. Viewed independently they pretty much tear this thing up, viewed as a group they make this case a joke. Simple as that.

Go ahead, look into this for yourself and if you don't come to the same conclusions as I have I'll eat my hat.

And SERIOUSLY, if you are that subscribed to things like this, give the audio link I posted 10 minutes of your life. Especially the part about the lighthouse. It is almost sad when you hear it, as it will dispel the majority of the utter tripe you read about this case on the internet.


Only you cant see the lighthouse at all from where they were walking through the woods. Obviously haven;t actually done half as much work as you claimed you have... Plus there was the corroborative evidence from a civilian witness, living next to the forest, who saw lights descending into the forest and the flash lites in the forest of the, what one would assume, was the military personnel. Then there were the two independent witnesses who made a UFO report on the same night after their drive home in the vicinity..

It sounds like you have made the classic mistake of getting your time lines totally mixed up and are mixing facts from one nights activity, during which the troops on the ground double checked it wasn't the lighthouse they were seeing and another night...

Halt took the very guy who originated the Lighthouse theory to the place he claims the incident happened and the guy himself, on film, admitted that, his explanation of the lighthouse no longer held water, so I'd suggest you keep up with what has been going on yourself..


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:44 PM by mmiichael
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I can imagine that most will not let the light of common sense, reason and logic shine on one of the "commandments" of the religion of Ufology. But if you can disconnect your belief system, and step back from the ever "evolving" accounts of "those that were there", we might be able to move past idiotic cases like this, and show those that are involved and purposely push things like this on the public that yes we do have a brain, and we are no longer going to blindly discuss such none-sense unless they present the FACTS that some of us went out of our way to discover.

Noticeably missing from cases like this, presented by those that do so, are the majority of the things that seem to discredit or leave doubt in the observer's or readers mind. Wonder why that is?

Ufology is dead. Cases like Roswell and Redelsham along with the loudest voice of Ufology on the internet have "baptized" an entire generation of those interested in this subject and it prevents them from questioning openly one of their sacred cows.

Hate me for saying this, call me an ignorant skeptic, but then continue along the path your on and lets talk in the next 20 years to see if this subject has made any movement based off of the worship of cases like this and others.

Folks, it is far past time to hook our brains back up and take this to the next level.



Wow, what a fantastic post. Exactly what I have seen and concluded, but better articulated that I could hope for.

I was in England when Rendlesham happened. I remember later some soldier confessed to driving a jeep through the forest with lights flashing as a hoax and then retracted it. Whether it was pressure, embarrassment, fear of recrimination he backed off, who knows. But someone actually confesses and the UFO community, doesn't want to speak to this guy because it might reveal the truth of the non-event.

I've been interested in UFOs for decades, but so far not a sliver of an extaterrestrial craft or convincing photo of an alien has come to light.

A million stories, fuzzy videos and pics. A lot of con men, delusionals and deranged people along the way.

It's not a scientific quest any more. It's a cult-like religion with all the classic characteristics. Faith, dogmas, belief in the absence of substantiation.

Sadly if there is some evidence of a visitation form out there, it will get lost among the thousands of amateur videos, contact stories, myth creations, etc.

Thanks for your input.


Mike



reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:47 PM by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by jdm2104
I hope we hear more information about this from other sources. It bothers me that the story comes from the Daily Star!

Just noticed he was part of "out of the blue":





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Maybe " they" only allow these stories to come out through sources that are deemed " maybe not trustworthy" as a diversion tactic......

That way they let us do the " hush hushing" to our selves....


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:49 PM by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by fls13
reply to
post by tarifa37



Hasn't this been his position for years? Sure it has. Just like Edgar Mitchell's spring appearance at the Nat'l Press Club. He didn't say anything there he hasn't been saying for years. I certainly don't blame Halt or Mitchell, they've been consistent. The media spins this as if it's a new revelation. Bad media!



If they fired all the media and let people like us ( normal people who "get it" ) cover all the stories the truth about everything in the past 50 years would be out to the public within the end of 2009...............

We humans are not dumb......just young and easily manipulated...
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