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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 08:26 AM by son of total newbie
reply to post by Android X



Since everything in the universe seems to work by cause and effect, what happens when you go back to the very beginning?

There must be an unmoved mover (St. Thomas Aquinas)

In science there was the big bang. But science wise, I think that the universe is more like a big bag of popcorn with each galaxy arising independently. In the last few years they have found a huge black hole at the center of our galaxy.

Maybe there are black holes at the center of all galaxies.


Anyhow, just think of this; next time you look at something new like a baby or a flower, realize that the newness is a re manefestation since the matter that makes up the new thing is at least billions of years old, possibly trillions, possibly infinite.



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 08:29 AM by octotom
reply to post by Android X



This is my first time posting in the religion. I just have 2 questions that need to be answered. The first one is, where did GOD come from? I believe in GOD, i just want to know where he came from.

God is beyond time. Therefore, he has no beginning. It's hard for our finite mind to grasp I know. Perhaps we'll understand better in eternity.

The second question is, is there a religion version of Monopoly? The reason i ask this question is because , when i was 7 or 8, i found a monopoly card that said,"Get out of Hell". It scared me

When I still lived in America, at Books-A-Million, I saw Bibleopoly once. I doubt that it had a "get of hell card". Perhaps when you were little, you found a tract that was made up like a Monopoly card or a homemade version of Monopoly.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 09:58 AM by Fromabove
Originally posted by Android X
This is my first time posting in the religion. I just have 2 questions that need to be answered. The first one is, where did GOD come from? I believe in GOD, i just want to know where he came from.

The second question is, is there a religion version of Monopoly? The reason i ask this question is because , when i was 7 or 8, i found a monopoly card that said,"Get out of Hell". It scared me


Time is a concept of our existence. God exists outside of time. I suppose that even if God were to try to explain who and why He is, we would still have a problem with it. For some like me, we know that God is because all things we see, hear, touch, and smell exist.

In another way to explain it is this. Let us say you had a dream when you sleep. That dream did not exist before you actually had it. It was in a sense created. In a dream you can do things as you do in everyday life like talk to people etc. Now it sounds strange when you think that all this is happening only in your brain. But while you dream you exist in a world created by mind energy alone. You don't realize it, but while you may be in the dream, you are actually outside of the dream where the dream exists in it's entirety within your being alone. So what created the dream was not physical but mental. We could say it was your soul, and soul is spiritual. And though made by thought alone, you are able to stand on ground held by gravity. You can eat, laugh, run, build things, play, and all that, and all within a world created by your mind.

So we are a creation of God's will and mind. The Bible says that He created all things and that without Him was not anything made that was made. And yet even though He made all things, He entered into the world and took the form of a Human among us. So while He was still outside of this world, yet He was still in it. We call our reality when we are awake, "The real world", and a dream is but a "dream". God's real world is called "Heaven", and this world to him is but a passing moment that will fade away just as dreams do fade away and we awake.

In the end, we understand that God is and always will be, and that we are created by Him for Him. God wants to bring us into His world, but that will take a choice. Jesus came into the world so that He could take us out of the world before the time of all this existence ends. Yes, it does take faith but it can be done. Put faith in God and ask Jesus to forgive you and save you, and He will, and when this dream is over, wherever Jesus is, there you will be too.

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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 12:31 PM by spikey
reply to post by octotom



"God is beyond time. Therefore, he has no beginning. It's hard for our finite mind to grasp I know. Perhaps we'll understand better in eternity"

WHAT??!! That has to be one of the single biggest copouts i have ever heard regarding religion!

If it wasn't for the anti swearing policy on here, i'd certainly tell you what i really thought of that statement!

Suprisingly, my puny human mind CAN, in fact comprehend of nulltime, even if your's can't. Time does not actually exist for any of us. It is purely a human construct to measure (primarily cell degredation) processes around us. But time as we think of it, is theorised to be just energy changing form.

Perhaps blind faith (or pure gullibility) weakens the mind?


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:43 PM by spikey
reply to post by zaiger



Well...that's one of the fundamental differences between having a faith in a supernatural 'god', or being totally honest and saying, 'I just don't know'.

Oh...i may think this is likey, or that, but in the final analysis...i don't know.

And here's the thing...neither do you. You might hope beyond hope or believe this or that...but faith, belief and hope are not absolute knowledge. They are not replacements for the truth of fact. They are what they are, sometimes they help, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they can even save lives...and end them.

But again, in the final analysis god does not become a real entity just because human beings wish it or believe it to be so.

Don't get me wrong, i think the religious 'life' guidlines are great, well, the one's i'm familiar with any way.

Don't kill, don't steal, don't be unfaithful, don't be a liar and generally don't be a nasty bit of work! All good life advice i think, and i try to live my life accordingly.

Would it be great if the Christian god existed? Or any of the other 'benign' gods that are worshipped all across our world? Yes, of course it would be!
Because you think it's good, i think it's good, and millions of others think it's good....just doesn't make it so, i'm afraid.
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