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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 08:29 AM by ModernAcademia


I'm sorry but there's just too too many false flag operations.
Credibility is on neither side right now.
There's absolutely none whatsoever.

Plus taliban receives way too much arms from U.S.
Al-qaida uses NATO guns

come on people, connect the dots!

People in this thread speak of torture and these terroists doing this and that.

Listen, they went to Iraq and and afghanistan and tortured it's citizens
Even if this story is true, which I doubt, these soldiers are not in THEIR country.

What do you think would happen if afghanis invaded the U.S.?

Every american's sentiment would be kill them kill them kill them
But when they think like this we call them terroists.

What a double standard.



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 09:10 AM by Laurauk
reply to post by mr-lizard



Oh their dammed if they do and thier dammed if they dont, if anything goes wrong in the world everyone looks to the USA, and dont say thats crap, because it is not.

When anything goes wrong as a result, they are blamed for it. Everyone holds up the big signs which says IT IS AMERICAS FAULT.

Maybe the USA should just tell everyone where to go. Anything else goes wrong over this side of the pond. The American Gov turns ans says deal with it yourselves. Nothing to dowith us. Oh I can see everyone shouting them down for that also (Sarcasm).

Both sides are as bad as each other.

Attacking someone in here for expressing an opinion makes you look the bigger fool.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 09:26 AM by Matrix Rising
Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to
post by mr-lizard



Oh their dammed if they do and thier dammed if they dont, if anything goes wrong in the world everyone looks to the USA, and dont say thats crap, because it is not.

When anything goes wrong as a result, they are blamed for it. Everyone holds up the big signs which says IT IS AMERICAS FAULT.

Maybe the USA should just tell everyone where to go. Anything else goes wrong over this side of the pond. The American Gov turns ans says deal with it yourselves. Nothing to dowith us. Oh I can see everyone shouting them down for that also (Sarcasm).

Both sides are as bad as each other.

Attacking someone in here for expressing an opinion makes you look the bigger fool.


Good points and yes there is the hate America first crowd.

America is the cause of the troubles in Palestine because of our support for Israel.

-They say nothing about the 55 billion Arafat recieved and he was sending his wife on shopping trips in France. It's America's fault not the people in charge in Palestine.

They say it's Americas fault that terrorist attack us because of Iraq and the liberal fantasy that we torture.

-They forget about Daniel Pearl, the first WTC, USS Cole, our Embassy in Africa and more.

They say American greed causes hunger in third world countries.

-The truth is many of these countries get Billions of dollars in Aid but the corrupt dictator takes the money and uses it to secure their power but to the hate America first crowd it's not the dictator's fault.

Like I said, Liberalism is one big dangerous guilt trip. When your a liberal or conservative ideologue that makes it worse because you can't see past your ideology. Bush and Obama are ideologues and we needed a pragmatist after Bush.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 10:13 AM by samhouston1886
reply to post by WhatTheory



Well... maybe we should bomb them into hell.


I do not agree with the war but I dont agree with our troops being abandoned and I dont think nobody high up will lose sleep over this.

I hope she makes it back home o.k.



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 10:14 AM by ModernAcademia
reply to post by Retseh



That's a faulty analogy
it's apples and oranges

if what the other poster is describing so much more commonplace in this war than what you are describing which wasn't commonplace in that war it's a completely irrelevant analogy.

better luck next time

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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 11:29 AM by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Well, I saw this coming.

A reason to stay in Afghanistan, it is too good a position to give up so easily.

I'd have to agree that this could be a 'false flag', no soldier, just an excuse to stay. That said, it could be just as easily be true and if it is I do feel so sorry for the person and their family.

I do not hate America, IMO, they are just as 'controlled' as the rest of us, they do not 'control', but there purpose, IMO, is the muscle, they take the heat, they take the attention, they take the blame.

Their foreign policy is disgusting, but it is no better than the rest us, IMHO.

Where all pointing fingers at each other, when really, we're just as bad as each other.

I think this is more than just Afghanistan, as I said, it is too good of a position to just give up. Ever since I read the thread on the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organisation), I have not been able to get it out of my head, why have we never heard about this?!? Seriously, China, Russia, Khazakstan, Tijikistan, Uzhbekistan, Kyrgyzstan these are all members, this doesn't include Iran, India, Pakistan, Mongolia as observers.

This organization is an equvalent to NATO for the East and let's say they are not too happy with NATO being on their doorstep.

Let's also not forget what NATO's original purpose was!

"to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"


Source NATO:
en.wikipedia.org...
Source SCO: en.wikipedia.org...

LMAO!!

EMM

Edit to add: Afghanistan isn't really a part of the SCO yet, but they have been in talks with the SCO over joining. Since 9/11, NATO has invaded 2 of the potential members to this organization, anyone see the pieces falling yet?

Edit again: Just found this on the NATO wiki page:

The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the world's defence spending, with the United States alone accounting for about half the total military spending of the world and the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Italy accounting for a further 15%.


That says to me that they are preparing for something, but ofc, I could be wrong.

Edit again! Lol, to add this:

On 30 May 1978, NATO countries officially defined two complementary aims of the Alliance, to maintain security and pursue détente. This was supposed to mean matching defences at the level rendered necessary by the Warsaw Pact's offensive capabilities without spurring a further arms race.


Again from the wiki page, so I guess this went out the window?

Lol, that page is full of goodies:

The scholar Stephen F. Cohen argued in 2005 that a commitment was given that NATO would never expand further east,[16] but according to Robert B. Zoellick, then a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, this appears to be a misperception; no formal commitment of the sort was made.[17] On 7 May 2008, The Daily Telegraph held an interview with Gorbachev in which he repeated his view that such a commitment had been made. Gorbachev said "the Americans promised that NATO wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."[18]


Curious!

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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 11:48 AM by debunky
reply to post by Redpillblues



*chuckles*
If that was a valid argument this one would be too:

I offer you this choice: I give you 1.000.000 Dollars, and immediately kill you.
Or
I give you 50 dollars and let you live.
What do you chose?
the 50 dollars?

So you rather have 50 dollars than 1 million? good. Please contact me for the transaction details. i will give you your 50 dollars as soon as i recieve the 1.000.000.

Or could it be that the killing in the end part is rather significant?
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