Modest New Moon Images Leave NASA Elated... really? , page 2
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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 01:54 PM by tristar
Had a post but it was bad timing or the alignment of the nebular was off by 1/10th of light year so it fell into a black hole.



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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 01:57 PM by Elepheagle
I was speaking with my wife last night about this issue and we raised most of the same questions in the OP. Phage to the rescue! I suppose I could've gone to the websites themselves to cull my speculation, but I knew there'd be a topic on ATS and I thoroughly enjoy the diverse opinions involved here.

So thank you, Phage, for doing the work and pointing us to the links that better explain why we didn't get good images right away.

If I might add, I do wish that these pictures would come into public hands sooner. In this day and age, where anyone with a cellphone can take 100 pictures and upload them to Facebook or whatever within 15 minutes, it would be nice to see the same from this imager, even the Kaguya.

There's a GREAT website called
Galaxy Zoo where visitors sift through millions of galaxies and help the researchers there to classify them. Really a lot of fun and if you haven't checked it out, go there. It's addictive.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could do the same thing with the moon photos? It would save the folks at NASA a heck of a lot of time and give us as citizens that impression that we're actually involved!

Galaxy Zoo is in its 2nd phase right now; it began with users classifying galaxies as either spiral or elliptical; now it asks if they are round or with arms, as well as how round or how many arms, as WELL as if there's anything "odd" in the picture. It's designed to help point scientists towards the types of galaxies most like our own so that they can better direct their efforts in exploring the depths of space.

Moon Picture Questions:

Is it a crater, general landscape, artifact/camera defect?

Large crater with deposits, or without?

Is there anything odd?




reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 05:18 PM by Phage
reply to post by LunarLooney1


The LCROSS impact will be in October. It's likely we will see some images from the LCROSS cameras before then.

We will probably be seeing the first images from the LRO within a few weeks. It's not exactly like pushing a button on a snapshot camera.
About a week and half after reaching the commissioning orbit we will begin activating the remaining instruments and start calibrating them. These have not been turned on yet for a number of reasons. First, the insertion at the moon is a critical and time constrained phase of the mission and the prime focus is safely delivering LRO into the right orbit. Secondly, the instruments (except the radiation instruments which are already on) are not designed to yield very useful or interesting data from anywhere except LRO's planned orbits. The cameras in particular are designed to build their images as the lunar surfaces passes through their FOV at ~1.6 km/s as LRO orbits the moon. They cannot be simply pointed at the moon or earth during our transit to the moon and snap a photo.

lroupdate.blogspot.com...

Why not wait a little longer before bitching.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 10:19 AM by LunarLooney1
ngchunter... how many pictures of Hubble have you counted? And I think you should scroll up this thread and see what many others like me are writing... billions of dollars and we still get garbage pictures. Seems as though 2 grainy pictures from a billion dollar project works for you and you're okay with that. And I don't need to be up in the atmosphere to take a picture of the Moon as you so suggest... I have better pictures of the Moon from here on Earth; and wouldn't you think that the closer you get to the Moon, the better quality the pictures should be? You sound like another mis-guided nieve and un-educated ATS member. You should try and sign up for the Seseme Street web-site... seems more up your alley of this fantasy world you're living in. Now I have to add you to my list of Earth puppets and children under 18. Finally, walk out your front door and look up at the Moon... now you have a better and clearer picture of the Moon than the one NASA fooled you with. Moreover, Carl Sagen has a book with the same picture in it. So if it wasn't taken from the book, then NASA took the same picture, from the same position over 25 years ago and that I find hard to believe. So before you run your disrespectful mouth again, get out of your chair and do some real investigating... instead of pretending to know everything. I ask a question stating these two pictures don't look right and you respond nasty, disrespectful, and ill-informored. They now have medication for confussed sociopaths like yourself... you should give it a try! And move on from this thread and go disrespect someone else... this thread is not for children!


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 10:35 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by LunarLooney1

You've made claims that the images are below par for what you expected. That's fair enough. Subsequently, members point out the reasons why the images aren't great...rather than reevaluating your position, you continue to criticize the images

Your follow-up posts are just trolling for jokes. Phage and NgcHunter are amongst the most informed guys on ATS when it comes to astronomy, Nasa and space. That's a fact. You've been a member for long enough to be aware of this. By questioning their subject knowledge you're intentions are transparent....you're trolling for negative attention


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 10:42 AM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by Phage
The scientists are not "elated" about the quality of the images, they very pleased that their instruments are functioning properly. These first images are tests, nothing more. The reason the images are not crystal clear is because the cameras used are not designed for use at these distances.
The visible and infrared cameras on LCROSS - designed to scan the moon from much closer than Tuesday's flyby - are working, NASA officials said, and that was the point of the first images.

www.space.com...

There is better to come.


Thank you Phage and ngchunter. I was hoping someone with some scientific sense would set the record straight here.

The general scientific ignorance and lack of understanding of some people on ATS makes me sad sometimes. If some of these ATS members are supposed to be the "informed" people, I would hate to meet the uninformed ones.



[edit on 6/26/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]



reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 12:54 PM by ngchunter
Originally posted by LunarLooney1
ngchunter... how many pictures of Hubble have you counted?

I don't sit around counting images, if there's something I want a hubble image for I check stsci and see if it's available:
archive.stsci.edu...
There are over 100,000 hubble images available.

And I think you should scroll up this thread and see what many others like me are writing... billions of dollars and we still get garbage pictures. Seems as though 2 grainy pictures from a billion dollar project works for you and you're okay with that.

LCROSS cost a mere $79 million, not billions. By comparison, LRO cost about $500 million and will be the star of the show with the best camera equipment on board.

And I don't need to be up in the atmosphere to take a picture of the Moon as you so suggest... I have better pictures of the Moon from here on Earth;

You obviously didn't comprehend what I wrote; your equipment isn't designed to work in the vacuum of space, nor is it thermally self-regulating, nor is it capable of distinguishing water vapor in a dust cloud. LCROSS is all of those things with one of NASA's cheapest satellites.

and wouldn't you think that the closer you get to the Moon, the better quality the pictures should be? You sound like another mis-guided nieve and un-educated ATS member.

The equipment was designed to work at its best from a few dozen kilometers away, not tens of thousands. You don't send a telephoto lens to get a widefield shot at the most critical part of your mission. The mission isn't to please armchair conspiracy theorists who've never launched a satellite, all while they're still in the testing and maneuvering phase. What part of that don't you understand? People in glass houses shouldn't be tossing "naive" stones.

You should try and sign up for the Seseme Street web-site... seems more up your alley of this fantasy world you're living in. Now I have to add you to my list of Earth puppets and children under 18. Finally, walk out your front door and look up at the Moon... now you have a better and clearer picture of the Moon than the one NASA fooled you with.

So you're just here to troll rather than discuss the facts of the matter, got it. For your information, I've taken better photos of the moon than you'll ever attain...

...but I know better than to assume that they should be hauling my telescope along on a mission designed to get a widefield action shot from only a few kilometers away with no room for error.

Moreover, Carl Sagen has a book with the same picture in it. So if it wasn't taken from the book, then NASA took the same picture, from the same position over 25 years ago and that I find hard to believe.

You hardly seem like you're qualified to examine lunar libration, lighting, crater morphology, and make a determination on whether two lunar photos are identical or not.

So before you run your disrespectful mouth again, get out of your chair and do some real investigating... instead of pretending to know everything. I ask a question stating these two pictures don't look right and you respond nasty, disrespectful, and ill-informored. They now have medication for confussed sociopaths like yourself... you should give it a try! And move on from this thread and go disrespect someone else... this thread is not for children!

Your entire post was condescending and disrespectful. I was objecting to your treatment of phage, but I wasn't attempting to disrespect you. If it's respect you want, try giving it first.

[edit on 26-6-2009 by ngchunter]
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