Wa-heh! That's good news for me. Now what's the number of the local Pizza Hut.

I don't believe that one bit, what about the increased risk of diabetes and heart disease - the 2 leading causes of death in the US - for overweight people?

Not so overweight people are far less likely to have either of those conditions.

Amazing how Science repeatedly reveal throughout the years how various groups live konger than others. For instance, how chubby people live longer than skinny people, but not only that, but also that skinny people live longer than chubby people aswell!

You can always count on Science.

Just wait a few years and they'll change their mind. They flip flop a lot.

example - eggs are good for you. No, they are bad for you. Wait, wait .. they are now good for you. Hold up ... the whites are good and the yellows are bad ....

I figured more people would be happy reading this thread. Guess not.

If people wanted to live really long, they'd follow a CRON diet and the people following that are all going to be very thin I'd say, and definitely no where near over weight.

Generally, increased calorie intake increases rate of aging, so one would think those with lower calorie intake would do better.


[edit on 23-6-2009 by ghaleon12]

Thanks for the link.

I think I'll wait till we get more evidence before I start eating sweets again.

I would love to eat everything I wanted just one day.

But weight adds up fast when you are only 5' short.

The study, as you have pointed out, is referring to slightly chubby people vs very thin people.

In other words, a health person(slightly chubby) will out live an unhealthy person(very thin).

Here's a thought. Slightly chubby people are more than likely aware that even a small amount of fat accumulation around the midsection increases their chances of developing chronic disease, therefore, they routinely see their physician to get regular check ups. This would indeed extend a persons life.

Comparatively, very thin people are more likely to assume they are healthy because they believe that weight gain is the major cause of chronic disease, therefore, they don't regularly visit their physicians to get check ups. This allows for a silent attack on the body that, once caught, has developed into stages that are irreversible and ultimately lead to a premature death.

That's one way of thinking of it.

Another thing, many thin people are underweight because of an existing disease that will eventually take their life. They may have hormonal imbalances that inhibit their ability to store fat and gain weight. For example, Type 1 Diabetics typically cannot store fat because of their lack of insulin production. Their diabetes will eventually kill them, not their weight.

Very restricted calorie diets have not shown to increase human lifespan, plain and simple. Scientists are currently studying adult primates to see if CRON increases their lifespan. There are problems, however, with these types of diets.

Firstly, we don't really know why eating less food causes increased lifespan in small animals(insects). Some suggest it is low levels of IGF-1 and Insulin, which indeed to increase the rate of aging when present in high levels. One of the biggest problems I see with very restricted calorie diets on humans is Catabolism, or breaking down of muscle tissue for energy. And the heart, btw, is a muscle.

Gotta go, more later.

-Dev

Oh no, I guess I'm in trouble.

At least I won't be as much at risk for heart-disease or stroke.

I'm underweight because of my metabolism. JUST underweight, though. I think my BMI is 18.4 and normal is 18.5. But BMI doesn't really determine much, anyway. Not as much as body fat measurements and things.

Originally posted by Nightchild
Amazing how Science repeatedly reveal throughout the years how various groups live konger than others. For instance, how chubby people live longer than skinny people, but not only that, but also that skinny people live longer than chubby people aswell!

You can always count on Science.

Science is self correcting. So yes, you can count on science. If you don't like the message, you are more than welcome, in fact encouraged, to prove the opposite. And in this case, you're not getting science from scientists, but science interpretations as picked by the media.

So enough with the "we can't trust old wishy washy science" talk. It's not perfect, but it's always improving itself, and it's the best tool we have to figure out how the natural world, including our bodies, work.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
I don't believe that one bit, what about the increased risk of diabetes

I believe there is a more sinister reason for the existence of diabetes (given it is a relatively recent affliction in the scope of human history) - and that is diabetes is caused by all the harmful unnatural additives we ingest in our modern processed foods - namely things like sucrose and aspartame etc.

I believe the number one killer in terms of diabetes is soft drinks (fizzy drinks). Unfortunately, a lot of overweight people tend to live off these things on a daily basis, therefore their diet and lifestyle in general gets blamed for their health problems.. which is true to a certain extent..

..but the real problem is their dependence on foods and drink concocted in a food technology lab somewhere.. ingesting items only a couple of molecules away from being plastic.. that's the real killer.

I think an overweight person would have no problems at all living to a ripe age if they ate as much raw foods as possible, cooked with butter and fat just like the 'old days'. Ever since people went from butter to 'healthier alternatives' like margarine (and other similar spreads marketed as healthy) and drinking Coke and Sprite 'Zero' ("zero" meaning zero sugar, therefore deemed 'healthy' - yet replaced by poisonous aspartame!). Anything with sucrose is evil in my opinion.

Bring back good old butter, cream, fat and sugar!

Ya know why the study is right?

I’ll tell ya.

I’m thin. Not by choice but by demands I put on myself (ok so I guess that is a choice)...

Anyway, I’ll tell ya - it’s hard work and it’s stressful.

Always saying NO to that nice plate of pasta...

I might as well be dead.

See!

FF - Loved the egg post! Oh so true!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Just wait a few years and they'll change their mind. They flip flop a lot.

example - eggs are good for you. No, they are bad for you. Wait, wait .. they are now good for you. Hold up ... the whites are good and the yellows are bad ....

I figured more people would be happy reading this thread. Guess not.

There is a reason for this. Two, actually.

First is the media. They get their hands on a strictly observational/epidemiological study that correlates a type of food with some disease and they tout it as evidence of causation. This is not how science works.

Secondly, foods go back and forth, as you mentioned, because of assumptions made by researchers. In the case of eggs, there was originally no fear of this super food. Researchers eventually assumed that, since cholesterol and fat cause heart disease and since eggs are high cholesterol, eggs should be avoided and/or limited to a few per week.

Red meat, butter, coconut oil...these are other examples of foods that have been demonized because of their fat/cholesterol content.

The problem is, the assumption that there are thousands of studies linking fat to cholesterol to heart disease, or the consumption of fat/cholesterol to heart disease, is completely false as there is almost no evidence that supports this hypothesis.

So, now we're allowed to eat eggs, but only the whites because the yolks contain cholesterol. Newsflash, dietary cholesterol has almost no effect on serum cholesterol. Even if cholesterol and fat leads to heart disease, eating dietary cholesterol will not harm you.

The whole idea that eating fat(saturated) increases cholesterol and leads to heart disease is bogus. The medical/health/research community simply assume that researchers in the 50's presented thousands of studies that proved this their hypothesis. Today, there are thousands of studies that have shown dietary saturated fat and cholesterol to be perfectly safe.

-Dev

Originally posted by dizziedame
I would love to eat everything I wanted just one day.

for just one day? go right ahead. one day a month even. it won't do you the slightest bit of harm if you eat well and exercise the rest of the time. (unless you want to eat rat poison or something, that's not so good.)

all this stuff about this size is healthier than that size or this weight is healthier than that is so stupid. it's pretty straight forward, eat good quality fresh food most of the time and don't spend all day on your backside and you'll live a good quality of life. how long you live after that is just random.

don't eat well because it's healthy, eat well because it tastes good.

don't get off the couch because it's healthy, get off the couch 'cos the outside is more fun.

it ain't rocket science ffs.

Severely skinny people live a lot less longer than average skinny people like me.