So here's what's going to happen under Obama's new health care system:
You're sick, you want to go to the doctor. However, prepare to be on a waiting list. When it's your time to go see the doctor, he'll prescribe you
to medication. But wait, first he has to get approval. From Washington D.C.
By the time you see the doctor, you're probably going to be dead.
Great plan Obama.
New Poll Shows Tremendous Support for Public Health Care Option, page 1
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Topic started on 16-6-2009 @ 06:00 PM by Leo Strauss
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For those of you who think the "Socialists" are behind this poll look at the sponsors.
Hmmmmm...
But Prez Obama says Single Payer is off the table. We can't even discuss it in Congress!
Eighty-three percent of Americans favor and only 14 percent oppose “creating a new public health insurance plan that anyone can purchase” according to EBRI, a conservative business research organization. This flatly contradicts conservatives’ loudest attack against President Obama’s plan to provide quality, affordable health care for all.
For those of you who think the "Socialists" are behind this poll look at the sponsors.
Hmmmmm...
The Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI) calls itself “the most authoritative and objective source of information” on the issues of employee retirement and health benefits. Founded in 1978, EBRI says it “is the gold standard for private analysts and decision makers, government policymakers, the media, and the public.” And EBRI is funded by many of the largest corporations in America.
EBRI’s biggest donors include: AT&T, Bank of America, Boeing, General Dynamics, General Mills, IBM, JBMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Northop Grumman, Schering-Plough, Schwab, T.Rowe Price, UBS Financial, and Wal-Mart. EBRI also receives large contributions from the insurance industry, including: Blue Cross Blue Shield, CIGNA, Hartford, Kaiser Permanente, Massachusetts Mutual, Metropolitan Life, Union Labor Life, and UnitedHealth.
Here’s who paid for the poll, as stated by EBRI:
This survey was made possible with support from AARP, American Express, Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Buck Consultants, Chevron, Deere & Company, IBM, Mercer, National Rural Electric Cooperative Association, Principal Financial Group, Schering-Plough Corp., Shell Oil Company, The Commonwealth Fund, and Towers Perrin.
So clearly, no one can accuse this organization of being “liberal” on health care issues.
These findings are from EBRI’s 2009 Health Confidence Survey, their 12th annual poll:
But Prez Obama says Single Payer is off the table. We can't even discuss it in Congress!
) reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 06:46 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Leo Strauss
I think he is voting "present".
Seriously, he comes up with statements depending on what the news cycle says. He isn't even playing, hes listening to the crowd telling him what move to make.
I have no faith in a single payer system. Not to mention everybody and anybody will be going to the doctor for a stubbed toe. Hell, I don't even know if we have enough doctors.
Not to mention how many doctors are going to quit being a doctor because they have to go find a better paying job so they don't default on their loans.
Lets not even get into the jobless portion of it. The way I see it is lets mess up a system already messed up by bureaucracy with total bureaucracy, yea that sounds like a good idea.
The real question is whether Obama is playing chess or checkers with TPTB.
I think he is voting "present".
Seriously, he comes up with statements depending on what the news cycle says. He isn't even playing, hes listening to the crowd telling him what move to make.
I have no faith in a single payer system. Not to mention everybody and anybody will be going to the doctor for a stubbed toe. Hell, I don't even know if we have enough doctors.
Not to mention how many doctors are going to quit being a doctor because they have to go find a better paying job so they don't default on their loans.
Lets not even get into the jobless portion of it. The way I see it is lets mess up a system already messed up by bureaucracy with total bureaucracy, yea that sounds like a good idea.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:06 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
I will post this again...
16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.
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That is 16 thousand physicians supporting single payer!
We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!
Why is that so scary to some of you?
The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!
A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.
Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human beings.
Disgusting!
I will post this again...
16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.
Link
That is 16 thousand physicians supporting single payer!
We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!
Why is that so scary to some of you?
The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!
A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.
Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human beings.
Disgusting!
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:13 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Leo Strauss
Yep and there are 300+ Million people in America.
So that equals out to 18750 patients per doctor, I hope you don't have a life threatening injury. Cause you for sure will be dieing.
Also how are we going to pay for all this?
16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.
Yep and there are 300+ Million people in America.
So that equals out to 18750 patients per doctor, I hope you don't have a life threatening injury. Cause you for sure will be dieing.
Also how are we going to pay for all this?
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:21 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
You do know that we are the ONLY industrialized 1st world country that does not provide health care for our citizens?? I think we rate 27th or something in overall health (just ahead of Slovenia).
Did you know the CEO of Allied Health made 1.6 billion denying care to sick and dying Americans?? Sound OK to you?? Sounds more like Stalin to me than single payer.
You do know that we are the ONLY industrialized 1st world country that does not provide health care for our citizens?? I think we rate 27th or something in overall health (just ahead of Slovenia).
Did you know the CEO of Allied Health made 1.6 billion denying care to sick and dying Americans?? Sound OK to you?? Sounds more like Stalin to me than single payer.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:26 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Leo Strauss
So what if you want to be like another country go live there, not trying to be rude but America isn't like every other country in the world.
And quite frankly its a very poor argument, sounds like a little kid that can't get what they want. I heard a congressman use that excuse today on the news.
Well thank the lack of representation we have in government for that. They are the ones that make the laws. They could easily pass a law stating that insurance companies cannot deny a procedure to anyone.
The only people that sound like Stalin are the people that want to take money out of my pocket that I earned. In fact that is exactly what Stalin did.
You do know that we are the ONLY industrialized 1st world country that does not provide health care for our citizens?? I think we rate 27th or something in overall health (just ahead of Slovenia).
So what if you want to be like another country go live there, not trying to be rude but America isn't like every other country in the world.
And quite frankly its a very poor argument, sounds like a little kid that can't get what they want. I heard a congressman use that excuse today on the news.
Did you know the CEO of Allied Health made 1.6 billion denying care to sick and dying Americans?? Sound OK to you?? Sounds more like Stalin to me than single payer.
Well thank the lack of representation we have in government for that. They are the ones that make the laws. They could easily pass a law stating that insurance companies cannot deny a procedure to anyone.
The only people that sound like Stalin are the people that want to take money out of my pocket that I earned. In fact that is exactly what Stalin did.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:32 PM by ChrisCrikey
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
I will post this again...
16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.
Link
That is 16 thousand physicians supporting single payer!
We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!
Why is that so scary to some of you?
The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!
A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.
Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human beings.
Disgusting!
Good information, Leo. To be precise - 62% of all bankruptcies are because of overwhelming medical bills. While President Obama is not asking for single payer everyone his proposals would enable anyone *including those with pre-existing conditions) be able to buy health insurance and get much, much lower prices on medications. He proposes many other reforms to bring the costs of health care down. Those who are happy with their current doctors and their current plans will not have to change anything. It should be noted too that the AMA who collectively have made statements against some of Obama/s reforms only represent about 1/3 of the physicians practicing in the USA and is pretty much an outdated and dying institution.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:34 PM by inthesticks
reply to post by Leo Strauss
But Prez Obama says Single Payer is off the table. We can't even discuss it in Congress!
Then why the h*ll am I getting SPAM email from Bernie Sanders asking to me sign a petition in support for Single Payer Health Care? Apparently somebody is discussing it.
But Prez Obama says Single Payer is off the table. We can't even discuss it in Congress!
Then why the h*ll am I getting SPAM email from Bernie Sanders asking to me sign a petition in support for Single Payer Health Care? Apparently somebody is discussing it.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 07:53 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
50 million of your fellow countrymen and women do not have health insurance. Mostly children. They are your grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends, mothers and fathers.
All you can think about is my pocket...me, me, me.
The wealthy will always have the best health care. All we are saying is quit subsidizing your care off the backs of the middle class and working poor. Quit scamming the sick and dying out of their money.
Let the rich buy their own health care at cost! They can afford it! The non profit hospitals dump desperately ill people on the curb because they can't pay.
You know that guy that was just dumped on the curb like garbage was someones son, maybe dad or brother or friend. He is sick and can't help himself...not garbage.
The U.S. I grew up in is better than that!
50 million of your fellow countrymen and women do not have health insurance. Mostly children. They are your grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends, mothers and fathers.
All you can think about is my pocket...me, me, me.
The wealthy will always have the best health care. All we are saying is quit subsidizing your care off the backs of the middle class and working poor. Quit scamming the sick and dying out of their money.
Let the rich buy their own health care at cost! They can afford it! The non profit hospitals dump desperately ill people on the curb because they can't pay.
You know that guy that was just dumped on the curb like garbage was someones son, maybe dad or brother or friend. He is sick and can't help himself...not garbage.
The U.S. I grew up in is better than that!
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 08:08 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by inthesticks
Because Bernie is a decent human being and a great Senator!
You should check out his website!
When will the people begin to vote in their own interests? When they are educated about their interests instead of being hypnotized by patriotic jingoism.
Because Bernie is a decent human being and a great Senator!
You should check out his website!
When will the people begin to vote in their own interests? When they are educated about their interests instead of being hypnotized by patriotic jingoism.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 08:19 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Leo Strauss
No more like at most 15 million people cannot afford health care. that 50 million number is including people that don't want health care and the illegal immigrants.
Your right I am thinking about my pocket how do you expect me to support my family and everyone else? Am I supposed to not eat just so somebody else can have health care?
This isn't about "me, me, me". It's about survival and making sure my family is provided for. How am I supposed to do that if the government is spending trillions of dollars that we don't have. They are going to tax us in to oblivion to pay for this mess. Which means a lower quality of life for my family.
It's called personal responsibility. And yes it does feel bad knowing that children are going without, but you know what blame it on the government for creating a system of dependency and making it profitable for people on welfare to have kids, more kids they have the more money they get. And blame it on the parents for being stupid.
It's not the freaking rich people doing it. It's the government doing it. What don't you understand about that? The reason why the health care is so expensive now is because the special interest has the government in their pocket. The government is the one that created this mess.
Now you want them to fix what they themselves created?
So what you think under single payer system that guy is going to get any better treatment? Do you think it is a lie when people tell you that it will be health care rationing? Do you think it is a lean when somebody tells you there will be some Washington bureaucrat deciding on whether or not saving your life is cost effective?
I got news for you, the same problems that happen with our health care industry now will continue to happen no matter what kind of system it is. All the politicians and special interest are looking out for "me, me, me".
Don't get mad at me because they aren't representing us. I didn't vote these smucks into office. Don't get mad at me because I don't believe the propaganda that you guys are so readily believe.
Single payer is not going to solve anything, all it is going to do is take money directly out of my pocket making it harder for me to provide for my family.
Then who is going to pay for this single payer system when the rich get ticked off and leave the country? We will all be living in a third world nation.
You need to wake up to reality there. Life is tough and unfair, and you can't save everybody. But reaching into my pocket to help somebody that isn't willing to help themselves is morally repugnant and is stealing.
You cannot help those that don't want to help themselves. You blame the rich people and the people that want to provided a better life for their family, all because of some propaganda piece tugs at your heart strings.
That is life, its not fair and its hard and its filled with tons of horrible things. That is the way it is. If you want to change it then pull money out of your pocket to help somebody, don't go running to big brother government and tell them to put a gun to my head to take money out of my pocket to help the crack head down the street that he himself can care less if he dies.
And just for the sake of record my grandmother died in a nursing home from neglect because her SS paid her $21 dollars more that exempted her from receiving Medicare. So don't tell me about people dieing because of lack of health insurance.
The same very system you are trying to force everyone into is the same system that killed my grandmother.
50 million of your fellow countrymen and women do not have health insurance. Mostly children. They are your grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends, mothers and fathers.
No more like at most 15 million people cannot afford health care. that 50 million number is including people that don't want health care and the illegal immigrants.
All you can think about is my pocket...me, me, me.
Your right I am thinking about my pocket how do you expect me to support my family and everyone else? Am I supposed to not eat just so somebody else can have health care?
This isn't about "me, me, me". It's about survival and making sure my family is provided for. How am I supposed to do that if the government is spending trillions of dollars that we don't have. They are going to tax us in to oblivion to pay for this mess. Which means a lower quality of life for my family.
It's called personal responsibility. And yes it does feel bad knowing that children are going without, but you know what blame it on the government for creating a system of dependency and making it profitable for people on welfare to have kids, more kids they have the more money they get. And blame it on the parents for being stupid.
The wealthy will always have the best health care. All we are saying is quit subsidizing your care off the backs of the middle class and working poor. Quit scamming the sick and dying out of their money.
It's not the freaking rich people doing it. It's the government doing it. What don't you understand about that? The reason why the health care is so expensive now is because the special interest has the government in their pocket. The government is the one that created this mess.
Now you want them to fix what they themselves created?
ou know that guy that was just dumped on the curb like garbage was someones son, maybe dad or brother or friend. He is sick and can't help himself...not garbage.
The U.S. I grew up in is better than that!
So what you think under single payer system that guy is going to get any better treatment? Do you think it is a lie when people tell you that it will be health care rationing? Do you think it is a lean when somebody tells you there will be some Washington bureaucrat deciding on whether or not saving your life is cost effective?
I got news for you, the same problems that happen with our health care industry now will continue to happen no matter what kind of system it is. All the politicians and special interest are looking out for "me, me, me".
Don't get mad at me because they aren't representing us. I didn't vote these smucks into office. Don't get mad at me because I don't believe the propaganda that you guys are so readily believe.
Single payer is not going to solve anything, all it is going to do is take money directly out of my pocket making it harder for me to provide for my family.
Let the rich buy their own health care at cost! They can afford it! The non profit hospitals dump desperately ill people on the curb because they can't pay.
Then who is going to pay for this single payer system when the rich get ticked off and leave the country? We will all be living in a third world nation.
You need to wake up to reality there. Life is tough and unfair, and you can't save everybody. But reaching into my pocket to help somebody that isn't willing to help themselves is morally repugnant and is stealing.
You cannot help those that don't want to help themselves. You blame the rich people and the people that want to provided a better life for their family, all because of some propaganda piece tugs at your heart strings.
That is life, its not fair and its hard and its filled with tons of horrible things. That is the way it is. If you want to change it then pull money out of your pocket to help somebody, don't go running to big brother government and tell them to put a gun to my head to take money out of my pocket to help the crack head down the street that he himself can care less if he dies.
And just for the sake of record my grandmother died in a nursing home from neglect because her SS paid her $21 dollars more that exempted her from receiving Medicare. So don't tell me about people dieing because of lack of health insurance.
The same very system you are trying to force everyone into is the same system that killed my grandmother.
reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 09:14 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss
While that sound nice and you are absolutely right on the insurance profits, Obama has not been truly honest with you and many, he is not brushing aside by any means Insurance profits he is cementing the hold of insurance by law over citizens and business.
Remember that insurances are too big to fail and they will still be the big players on Obamas health care reform.
After all one of the first thing he did after been sworn in office was to have closed doors meeting with all the big insurance in the nation guess what we were not invited.
While that sound nice and you are absolutely right on the insurance profits, Obama has not been truly honest with you and many, he is not brushing aside by any means Insurance profits he is cementing the hold of insurance by law over citizens and business.
Remember that insurances are too big to fail and they will still be the big players on Obamas health care reform.
After all one of the first thing he did after been sworn in office was to have closed doors meeting with all the big insurance in the nation guess what we were not invited.
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