New Poll Shows Tremendous Support for Public Health Care Option, page 2
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 08:57 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


Thanks my friend, I have many people that doesn't' like my post at all but I am glad at least you do, that means a lot to me.




reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 09:05 AM by marg6043
reply to post by jam321


Exactly, I fall under Tricare as my husband is retired, we still pay for the cost of insurance, but the deductions are very low and so the prices of medicines, still I get to chose my doctor and get appointments on the same day, go to a clean and attractive facility and sit next to people that look just like me.

Now while I agree that people needs care specially those that can not afford insurance I have not problem with government sponsored insurance for them.

But I be darn if I have to change my comfortable ways because I will fall now under the government lowered expectations care while still paying for the insurance.

Has anybody been in their local public health care facility? I have and I am not going to sit around for ever to get a doctor because availability is lacking and is after all free, most facilities are dirty and unkept.

That is what my husband and I are afraid off that under this new bill Obama will take away the few good options retires have with government sponsored tricare in favor of cheap care while we still have to pay.

I told my husband he better start thinking about private insurance if that will become an option.



reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 09:52 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


You still don't get it, Obama bill idea is too big and far away from what other nations enjoy as universal health care.

Obama still wants people to pay for insurance while giving free insurance to those that don't work or are on government sponsored programs, but is a twist, he still will force those that still pay taxes to for it.

He is actually offering too much and still serving big insurance companies and the same time.

Just like his one million job promise this is just another big blunder, you can not offer something when you have the big health care providers redacting the bill.


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:04 AM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by marg6043


Marge,

I know Obama is NOT offering single payer and I believe he is bought and paid for like the rest of the politicians in DC. I do not support his current proposal. I support single payer.

The only hope for whatever his final proposal morphs in to is that the majority of the people will choose this option and put the private insurers out of business. The odds of that happening are slim to none.

Obama is not a progressive he is Bush lite or Slick Bush!


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:19 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


Exactly!!! just like big financial institutions they are just too big to fail and to tell you the truth I still don't know what the senate proposed bill will look like, Kennedy Ideas of the health care proposal doesn't sound like a good deal either.

Our government is too full of corruption to do anything good for the common American in this nation anymore.

What insurance companies wants is mandatory insurance with penalties if you do get it so their gravy train and milking cow of the American consumer will never end for them, steady income at best.

Just like mandatory car insurance and home insurances.

Another big scam to fill the pockets of those in charge.


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:25 AM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by marg6043

Too big to fail means that they are too big!

We need some trust busting like Teddy Roosevelt!!!


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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:28 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


If this bill even have the words mandatory in it you know that is nothing but a big scam.



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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:34 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


Well you know that promises coming from Politicians always get the attention of those that are seeking what they are offering, I was one of them I voted for Obama. Even with all the wisdom I have about politicians and their dirty tricks, I dared to hope.

What a joke. Fool me once, fool me twice but I am ready next time.


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 01:36 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by IKnowNothing

I agree there are many wrong policies in DC.

My personal belief is welfare for 1 child set dollar amount, no more. If you choose to have another you are on your own.

Of course resources such as single payer would need to provide for both abortion, birth control and education being that many of these women cannot afford abortion.

I forgot to add that single payer is not free nor a dependency on the government. It is a pool of money provided by taxpayers. Therefore not free.





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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 03:02 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Leo Strauss


This interesting my daughters health insurance is blue Shield and she have this insurance due to her job.

They also have a lower version that is like you are talking about, you put money from your check into a pot and they match it monthly and when you need to see a doctor the money comes from that account.

I don't know if is a good idea actually is suppose to be for healthy people that doesn't have need to see a doctor on a regular basis.


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 03:36 PM by jjkenobi
Originally posted by ChrisCrikey
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

I will post this again...

16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.

Link

That is 16 thousand physicians supporting single payer!

We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!

Why is that so scary to some of you?

The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!

A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.

Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human beings.

Disgusting!


Good information, Leo. To be precise - 62% of all bankruptcies are because of overwhelming medical bills. While President Obama is not asking for single payer everyone his proposals would enable anyone *including those with pre-existing conditions) be able to buy health insurance and get much, much lower prices on medications. He proposes many other reforms to bring the costs of health care down. Those who are happy with their current doctors and their current plans will not have to change anything. It should be noted too that the AMA who collectively have made statements against some of Obama/s reforms only represent about 1/3 of the physicians practicing in the USA and is pretty much an outdated and dying institution.




What you are leaving out is that 77.9% of those who went bankrupt ALREADY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE. So adding another option for health care isn't going to help those who already had it and still went bankrupt. This "solution" isn't tailored to fix the actual problem. Only 2.8% couldn't get coverage because of a pre-existing condition. I would say that does not qualify as a valid reason to roll out a trillion dollar healthcare platform.

Also what is kind of shady is that they include gambling as a medical condition and count those towards the bankruptcies as well.

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study (PDF)
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