Originally posted by homers_donut
reply to post by ThreeDeuce
Yep we are in an age when selective sifting proves whatever we want.
Or you can weigh one argument and source of evidence against another and try to think your way through to a conclusion.
I read a study a while ago that said RV was bunkem. Just because it is on the internet does not make it real, that is why conspiracy theories
are theory and not fact.
I've read lots of stuff on both sides and continue to make up my mind.
God, all people do on this thread is talk about people who claim psychic and clairvoyant powers.
One of the things I really, really like about Taoism is that it's explicitly stated that before starting to mess around on the psychic level, a
student should have thoroughly sorted themselves out physically (through t'ai chi), energetically at the biological level through chi gung, and both
intellectually and emotionally through various Taoist meditations.
The reason for this is because what we might term the "psychic realm" is full of BS as well as truth and if you don't have all your ducks in a row
before working on that level you will not be able to tell the two apart.
Consequently I don't put much faith in psychics and it seems to me that it's more sensible to try and look at what happens with ordinary people,
which is what Sheldrake does. In telephone telepathy tests, where people have to guess which friend is about to phone them, the hit rate is well
above chance and a hugely significant effect.
There's actually plenty of evidence around: people just don't want to look at it because of their own prejudices.
For me it is all subjective. If you believe you have the power to change the weather or move a glass then maybe you do, from your perspective
of reality. But if it is not witnessed by others it is a gift that may be only in your mind :-)
For me, when I go to a class if the instructor is transmitting, these days I'll feel it. It barely merits discussion in the class. The problem is I
know people are not supposed to be able to do this according to our current model and so it causes cognitive dissonance when people assert with such
bland confidence that "it's all nonsense".
Well if psychic powers really existed and I had them I would be public in my challenge to Mr Randi and at every turn be demonstrating to the
world how unfair and impractical any restrictions he has until the world says "Randi put up or shut up".
The reason that people are not terribly interested in claiming his prize is because he's dishonest. I guarantee you he'll never award it, but only
because he'll move heaven and earth to discredit any data that doesn't go his way. This is the man, remember, who accused Nobel winner Brian
Josephson of being a scoundrel for putting forward theories about consciousness that implied psychic possibilities.
But it will never happen because other than a bit of fortune telling and mind reading, there is no psychic ability in my opinion.
Perhaps you should read that sentence more carefully. Do you not see how contradictory and, in fact, meaningless it actually is? It seems to have
content, but doesn't.
Even if there were what is the point of spending weeks of a lifetime honing skills to move a psi wheel when all that time could be spent actually
doing something useful like ending war or world hunger?
Such abilities, for Taoists at any rate, are by-products of other processes with other purposes. Also, logically, the motivation for doing something
like that is a separate issue to whether or not that kind of thing is possible.
I laugh at claims of being able to change the weather, yet Africa still has drought...
Weather control has been around for years, to some extent, even if it's just seeding dry ice. There are stories of people controlling the weather
but I have no direct evidence myself so I have no opinion, although there are models that suggest it should be possible.
And of course Wilhelm Reich built his cloudbuster. For those with open minds, there's a fascinating lecture about some of Reich's cloudbuster work
on this google
of a world wide consciousness and mediation for peace, yet war and conflict is stronger now than ever.
There is statistical evidence to suggest that violent crime is reduced in areas where people are meditating. The fact that the TM people have done
studies which no-one else has attempted to replicate doesn't dent the fact that using published statistics they have shown a drop in violent crime
after TM membership in a given area reaches a critical mass.
I don't see why it's funny that in times of crisis, people want to do something about the increased levels of war and conflict. Sounds logical to
me. Meditating to do something about it actually seems like a sensible action rather than taking up arms oneself. It took a long time before I
started to see the wisdom of the saying, "you don't fight for peace, you peace for peace." This is not to imply that I'm as passive as the ideal
Christian, meekly turning my cheek for each new slap. Cornered I'll always defend myself but a combative attitude simply attracts combat.
For me there is as much "evidence" of psychic ability as there is Santa Claus and the toothfairy and I am a believer that the mind is more
powerful than we can imagine....
Again this bizarre contradiction, or this wilful adherence to a belief that this stuff "is all very well but you can't ever prove it". You
haven't quoted anything from the report I cited to logically challenge. Actually, few people in the thread seem do have even clicked the link, it's
just the usual bunch of ill-informed people airing prejudices.