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Prophetic UFO Formations Seen Before Hurricane Katrina

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:41 AM
Here is an article that is pretty interesting with some pretty wild photos.

Prophetic UFO ‘Fleet’ Signs Precede Hurricane Katrina

In the early hours of August 29th 2005 Hurricane Katrina made landfall, after passing through the Gulf of Mexico, and devastated the city of New Orleans, and 90,000 square miles of the state of Mississippi and coastal Louisiana before dissipating.

Forming in the Caribbean and declared a tropical storm on August 23rd, it became a monstrous Hurricane, a Category 5, within three days, after first striking the tip of Florida and diverting into the Gulf of Mexico. Described by many as ‘Biblical’ and ‘Apocalyptic’ in scale and destructive force, it wrought incalculable damage upon the lives of hundreds of thousands of people living in its path, and continues to be an historic tragedy.

Hurricane Katrina revealed how vulnerable modern civilization can be in the wake of a massive and devastating hurricane, a fact that was foreseen not only by people living on and off the Gulf coast, aware of the potential for disaster in New Orleans, but also by Extraterrestrial ‘Intelligences’ above, that gave prophetic and alerting ‘Signs’ in the sky, weeks and days before the approaching Hurricane. These were witnessed and filmed on both sides of the Gulf coast, in Mexico and the US!


Reported by well known UFOlogist Santiago Yturria, on, the first two aerial signs occurred on the morning of June 24th 2005 over two state capitals in Mexico; San Luis Potosi, in the state of San Luis Potosi; and Xalapa, in the state of Veracruz (Ref. 1 & 2).

Synchronously, on the same day that the well known UFOlogist and TV jounalist, Jaime Maussan, gave a media attended conference in San Luis Potosi, drawing further public attention to the increasing UFO presence in Mexico, an unprecedented UFO ‘Fleet’ sighting occurred over the city! Filmed by Rosario Oviedo close to her home in San Luis Potosi, and witnessed by some of her neighbors, the sighting lasted for several minutes, and included more than fifty, luminous, unidentified flying ‘spheres’, arranged in a loose cluster type formation, clearly visible against the morning sky (Fig. 1 & Ref. 1).

Fig. 1 UFOs Filmed Over San Luis Potosi
on the Day of the UFO Conference
Video Still © 2005 Rosario Oviedo/Courtesy Santiago Yturria

Additional sightings above the city were also reported to Jaime Maussan during the conference, including mysterious spheres witnessed on two consecutive days before the conference, and early the following morning (Ref. 1).

Curiously, on the same morning that Rosario Oviedo filmed the UFO fleet above San Luis Potosi, another ‘unprecedented’ UFO event and sign also occurred above Xalapa, and very significantly, Casa Veracruz; the official house of government and home of the Governor of Xalapa, Fidel Herrera Beltran (Ref. 2).

Witnessed at 10:30AM during an official ceremony by the Governor, numerous police officers, newspaper and television reporters, who photographed and filmed the event, and many local residents, the sighting involved ‘at least 14 unknown flying objects’, that made no discernable sound, and ‘remained almost static in the sky in formation describing a triangle pattern in perfect alignment for almost 30 minutes.’ (Ref. 2)

Reported three days later by Santiago Yturria on, the Casa Veracruz UFO fleet sighting was treated as a major incident and received National Television news time the same night in Mexico (TV Azteca)! It was also reported as the headline news of various newspapers of Xalapa (Ref. 2).

After giving a Crop Circle slide presentation, at the 42nd Annual National UFO Conference in Hollywood, California, on September 2nd, 2005, Kris, my research partner and wife, and myself, met with Santiago Yturria, to discuss the Casa Veracruz sighting, and to share much of what is contained in this article. Afterwards, we had an opportunity to view some of the TV camera footage recorded shortly before, and during, the Casa Veracruz sighting, and were very impressed.

The UFOs were filmed on broadcast quality equipment and against a clear blue morning sky. The TV news camera clips we saw were brief, but clear, and very interesting in many respects. One TV news cameraman recorded the Governor beginning his outdoor speech into a microphone, only to halt moments later to people shouting “OVNIs!”, “OVNIs!” (“UFOs!”, “UFOs!”), and join an increasing number of people looking up at an amazing sight; a fleet of UFOs, of identical looking ‘metallic discs’, maintaining a ‘silent’, ‘fixed’ position, formation, and apparent sign in the sky above Casa Veracruz, and the city of Xalapa (Ref. 2 & 3).

The Casa Veracruz UFO fleet sighting was an unprecedented incident, as Santiago Yturria reported on on June 27th 2005. It was also a prophetic event, and sign, of what I had conveyed to Santiago three weeks earlier! (Ref. 4)

For some years, I have been anticipating an increase in UFO fleet sightings to occur in Mexico, as a precursor to similar sightings occurring in other parts of the world, and in the not too distant future, as a worldwide event (Ref. 5). On June 3rd 2005 I replied to an e-mail from Santiago Yturria and wrote ‘Many thanks for the news about the recent UFO ‘fleets’ over Mexico. Very interesting indeed! Between you and us, if my ‘translation’ of a Biblical prophesy is correct, a lot more is on the very near horizon too!’ I finished my e-mail by saying ‘thank you again for news of the UFO ‘fleets’ and ‘mass clusters’ filmed above Mexico, that’s a very good sign J J’
(Ref. 4 & 6)

Anticipating, in early June 2005, a lot more UFO fleet sightings and signs to follow in fulfillment of a Biblical prophesy, I communicated the following to Jaime Maussan. On July 3rd 2005 I replied to a personal e-mail from Jaime Maussan and wrote, ‘If some of the humanoid beings appearing over Mexico (and possibly other areas) are potentially hostile to humankind, why are they flying around so brazenly? Are they indifferent visitors? Or could it be that the more advanced ET Civilizations fulfilling the July 11th 1991 Eclipse prophesy intend to reveal THEMSELVES a lot more soon, and that some would like humankind to be afraid, and to think they are coming here to control us, when in truth they are coming here to help us?’ (Ref. 5, 6 & 7)

On July 10th 2005 in an e-mail to Santiago Yturria I added, ‘My feeling about the Unidentified Flying Humanoids being seen and filmed over Mexico, and a few other locations however is, that they are NOT the same 'beings' behind the 'UFO Fleets', the July 11th 1991 Eclipse sightings event, and much of the UFO activity seen since that historic day in Mexico. I strongly suspect instead, that there is more than one ET Civilization making itself more 'visible' over Mexico at this PROPHESIZED time of Cosmic unveiling and expanded human Collective Consciousness, and they do not all have our best interests at heart. Some, a minority, visiting this planet are perhaps really coming here ONLY for themselves, or for others who would otherwise come here primarily for themselves, and not to help humankind or the Earth. I also suspect a deception, in that the 'selfish' ETs are appearing more because they know the more advanced 'un-selfish' ETs are also appearing more and will soon do so GLOBALLY. They would like us perhaps to accept them along with those who truly come to help us. They may also have a more sinister aim: to generate fear, distrust, and doubt in us of those ET Civilizations who can truly help humanity and the Earth.’ (Ref. 8)[ex/]

[edit on 15-6-2009 by esteay812]

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:50 AM

The UFO fleet sighting above Casa Veracruz was a sign and affirmation of prophesy being fulfilled, in my understanding, and more was to follow. Since communicating with Santiago on June 3rd there had been an increase in UFO sightings in Mexico, including UFO fleets above two major cities on the same morning, and above the ‘White House’ equivalent of one, Casa Veracruz, three of the unidentified flying ‘disks’ had remained ‘static’, forming a large triangle in the sky for half an hour, allowing it to be witnessed by many credible observers, and to be filmed! (Ref. 2) Was it a sign, a visual symbol, and form of ‘communication’? Were certain ET Intelligences trying to alert people to three UFO fleet sightings; San Luis Potosi, Xalapa, and a third? Was it meant to be a spiritual sign, to represent ‘three-as-one’, the metaphysical concept and principle of ‘a trinity’, and ‘The Trinity’? ‘Casa Veracruz’, translated from Spanish means ‘House’ of the ‘True Cross’, a very apt name for the principle location of a prophetic UFO incident (Ref. 9). Is Biblical prophesy (like Maya, Aztec, and other prophesies), being fulfilled through an increase in UFO sightings in the skies over Mexico, and elsewhere? (Ref. 5 & 6)

On August 19th 2005, I received news from Santiago Yturria of another unprecedented UFO fleet sighting and sign that had been filmed on the opposite side of the Gulf coast, in Florida, a few days earlier. I wrote back to Santiago after looking at the report and said ‘Now there’s a sign!’ (Ref. 10) It was in my view another ‘sign of affirmation’ of a Biblical prophesy being fulfilled, and a major ALERT for people living along the Gulf Coast (Ref. 5 & 6).


Nine days before Hurricane Katrina was declared a tropical storm in the Caribbean, seven UFOs were filmed flying in the form of a ‘Latin Cross’ above Florida! (Fig. 2 & Ref. 11)

Fig. 2 Seven UFOs Arranged in the Form of a ‘Latin Cross’
Video Still Copyright 2005 Steve Burns

The UFO fleet sighting and sign was reportedly filmed by Steve Burns on August 14th 2005, at 10:15pm (Central time), and was posted on the internet on, with a video still image, and mpeg the next day (Ref. 11). The exact location of the sighting was not given, but the fact it was reported over Florida couldn’t have been more timely, and pertinent. Now, the pieces of a UFO puzzle and prophesy were falling into place, and the ‘dots’ of the UFO fleet signs could be connected, linking the sightings over San Luis Potosi, Xalapa, and Florida.

The instant I saw the ‘flying cross’ image many things came to mind, including the feeling it was a premonitory sign of an impending disaster, foreseen by certain ET Intelligences concerned for the Earth and Humankind. I wasn’t sure how portentous the sign would be until Hurricane Katrina began to approach Florida on August 24th 2005. The following day Katrina became a Category 1 Hurricane and side swiped the tip of Florida killing fourteen people. Moving on into the Gulf of Mexico, and warmer water, it increased in strength to a Category 5 Hurricane (Fig. 3) and to a 4 just before making landfall on August 29th, causing immense damage and loss to this day.

Fig. 3 Hurricane Katrina
Satellite Photo Copyright 2005 NASA

On September 2nd 2005 I conveyed much of what is contained in this article to Santiago Yturria, and to several other respected UFOlogists attending the 42nd Annual National UFO Conference in Hollywood, including Steven Bassett, Richard Dolan, Nick Redfern, and Farah Yurdozu, as well as Larry Newnam (CircleSpeak), and Lisa Davis (organizer of the NUFOC Conference). I also disseminated much of the same information to a small audience, as the last part of a slide presentation by Kris and I, entitled ‘Crop Circle Answers: ‘Who’ and ‘What’ Has Been Creating the Worldwide Crop Circle Phenomenon, and Why?

Over the next two months I tried to obtain further information concerning Steve Burn’s sighting, through, but to no avail. This admittedly did make me suspicious of the report, despite the immaculate timing of the sighting, and the previous UFO fleet signs apparently associated with it. However, another witness would soon step forward and provide additional information and an affirming account of what must have been a truly awe-inspiring and historic UFO sighting! (Ref. 12)


On November 2nd 2005, Kris (Sherwood) and I were guests of George Noory, on his internationally broadcast radio program, and while discussing the subject of UFOs, I briefly mentioned the Gulf Coast sightings that had preceded Hurricane Katrina, including the Flying Cross above Florida. Two days later I received a very interesting e-mail from Eric Watson, a resident of Florida, reporting that he, with his sixteen year old son Jeff, had also witnessed the UFO cross directly above his house in St Petersberg (Ref. 12).

Eric Watson wrote that one night, at about 10pm (15 minutes earlier than Steve Burns sighting) in early Summer (possibly June) 2005, he felt ‘compelled’ to go outside with his two sons (Jeff, and Matt, aged 13), and look up at a certain part of the night sky. He wrote ‘We were looking right up at the spot.’ A couple of minutes later, against a clear sky, the UFOs began to appear. ‘We saw a white cross that lit up one by one, about 4 down and 3 over, it may have been five down, no more then 3 over for sure!’ The UFOs were described as ‘huge’, each being approximately the size of a thumbnail held at arms length, and ‘awesome’ to look at (Ref. 12 & 13).

The UFOs were ‘perfect white round orbs very bright and defined. They popped on one at a time, and waited until our eyes were locked on that spot.’ Observed directly over the city, above 83rd Avenue, Eric Watson added that the UFO cross ‘was not lit for more then 4 seconds when we saw a silent flash, like an explosion, the same color white, about three fingers away arm extended, and the cross went out one by one twice as fast as it lit up. It was like something in space took a picture of it with an old-fashioned flashcube square. The flash was as big as your thumb nail.’ (Ref. 12 & 13)

‘The cross I feel was meant to show me something, maybe spiritual?’ Eric Watson wrote. Reporting that the entire sighting lasted about ten seconds, he added ‘I really believe it was meant for us to see. What are the chances you walk outside with a feeling and look up and two minutes later get treated to a light show?’ (Ref. 13)


Did ET Intelligences foresee Hurricane Katrina and give alerting and premonitory signs of an approaching disaster?

A UFO fleet sign had been witnessed above Xalapa, and the ‘House of the True Cross’, and across the Gulf of Mexico from Xalapa, a ‘cross’ of similar looking UFOs had been witnessed above St Petersberg, both shortly before the Hurricane.

Before the UFO cross sign appeared over Florida it was clear that visiting ET Intelligences were wishing their existence to be known and acknowledged above San Luis Potosi and Xalapa, but why? Why had a UFO fleet sign appeared over two capital cities on the same morning, on June 24th 2005? Was there something significant (even symbolic) about the date and location of the two sightings? Why were certain ET Intelligences trying to draw the attention of UFO investigators, government representatives and officers, media reporters and the public, to their existence, and why above San Luis Potosi, and Xalapa?[ex/]

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:52 AM
Does this mean something bad will happen in Indiana or S. Carolina/Virginia this year? There have been innumerable sitings in these areas over the last few months.

If New Madrid quakes, or a volcano pops up in Kentucky or a Nuclear Disaster strikes one of these "Hot" areas soon, then I will believe your conclusion!

Any of those scenarios is more than possible, so I will be keeping a lookout!

S and F!

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:54 AM

I think, the UFO fleet appeared over San Luis Potosi because Jaime Maussan was scheduled to give, and gave, a media attended conference in the city on that date, about recent UFO activity in Mexico. Certain spiritually advanced ET civilizations visiting Earth, wishing their existence to be peacefully acknowledged, and safely known, acknowledged Jaime Maussan’s conference, I think, because he openly and publicly acknowledges their existence, and has done more to raise public awareness of the UFO/ET presence in Mexico through the mass media of television and radio than any other contemporary UFO investigator.

In my view, benevolent ET Intelligences gave an acknowledgement, and a major ‘sign of support’ to ‘UFO Disclosure’ in Mexico, by affirming, and emphasizing their existence on the day of the conference. They were also encouraging the watchful, perhaps, to look to the sky for recognizable signs of their presence, and to be on ‘alert’ for news of another unprecedented UFO fleet sighting above a state capital, witnessed and filmed on the same morning above Xalapa, and Casa Veracruz! (Ref. 2)

Why did a UFO fleet appear above Xalapa, and Casa Veracruz?

I think a UFO fleet appeared over the city of Xalapa because it is the capital of Veracruz, and above Veracruz because it is located on the Gulf coast. In my view, certain ET Intelligences were trying to draw our attention, not only to their existence, but also to ours, and to the Gulf coast. Opposite Xalapa, for example, across the Gulf of Mexico is, and was, New Orleans, and the coastline of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida! (Fig. 4)

Fig. 4 Three Associated UFO Fleet Sighting Locations
Map Copyright 2005 Ed Sherwood/Millennium Research

The UFO fleet appeared above Casa Veracruz on the morning of June 24th 2005, I think, because of the outdoor official ceremony being held there, the many and type of people gathered, and because it is the White House of Xalapa! The name of the location, Casa Veracruz, as mentioned previously, was also significant I think, by its association with the Cross of Christ, and because of the aerial sign that would soon follow it above Florida.

By making a brief appearance over the primary government building of Xalapa, at the start of an official ceremony attended by the media, and lead by the Governor, at 10:30AM, when many people would also be going about their daily business in the city, certain ET Intelligences were clearly wishing their presence and sign to be known. (Ref. 2)

Why did a UFO fleet appear over two state capitals on the same morning?

By appearing above Xalapa and Casa Veracruz on the same day as the UFO conference in San Luis Potosi, certain ET Intelligences were, I think, trying to draw the attention of many people, particularly Jaime Maussan, Fidel Herrera Beltran, and Television and Newspaper reporters, to the UFO fleet sightings over both cities, and to stimulate many to ask what the UFOs were, and why they might be appearing?

On July 11th 1991, an historic UFO sighting occurred during a Total Solar Eclipse above Mexico City (the world’s largest city), and simultaneously over several other cities around Mexico. Witnessed by thousands of people looking skyward, and filmed from multiple vantage points, this UFO event was, in my view, the most significant mass witnessed UFO sighting of the last century! Prophesized by the Maya more than 1200 years ago to usher in a new era of ‘cosmic awareness’, including the return of, and awareness of, our brethren ‘from the Stars’, the Eclipse of 1991 was also predicted to be the harbinger of great upheavals, including ‘Earth changes’ (Ref.14). Why then, had two major cities in Mexico received synchronous sightings, including a sign in the sky, on the morning of June 24th 2005? Was another prophesy (in addition to Mayan) being fulfilled?

While a UFO fleet sighting had occurred above San Luis Potosi and Xalapa on the same day, the timing of both was more closely associated with the official ceremony being held at Casa Veracruz, than the UFO conference at San Luis Potosi. This, in my view, was to emphasize the main purpose of the synchronized sightings: to draw mass attention to Xalapa, a sign above Casa Veracruz, and the Gulf Coast.

Why did seven UFOs form the sign of a Latin Cross above Florida,
including St Petersberg?

I think, seven UFOs formed the sign of a Latin Cross above Florida to fulfill a Biblical prophesy contained in the book of ‘Revelation’ (Ref. 5 & 6), and to be an alerting sign in prophetic times. Certain ET Intelligences evidently knew and cared that the worst natural disaster in US history was soon to strike the Gulf Coast, including Florida.

The number seven is greatly associated with prophesy. For example, ‘seven’ is referenced 54 times in the book of Revelation, the prophetic last book of the Bible, and referenced in the form of 18 seven-fold symbols: ‘seven churches’, ‘seven spirits’, ‘seven golden candlesticks’, ‘seven stars’, ‘seven lamps’, ‘seven horns’, ‘seven eyes’, ‘seven seals’, ‘seven angels’, ‘seven trumpets’, ‘seven thunders’, ‘seven heads’, ‘seven crowns’, ‘seven plagues’, ‘seven golden vials’, ‘seven mountains’, ‘seven kings’, and ‘seven thousand slain men’ (Ref. 6).

While there are many iconographic variations of a ‘cross’ with similar and different meanings, relating to Christian and pre-Christian religious traditions, the cross that the seven static UFOs most resembled was a ‘Latin Cross’; the most common and recognizable symbol of Christianity (Fig. 5).

Fig. 5 A Seven Studded Turquoise Crucifix
Photo Copyright 2006 Ed Sherwood/Millennium Research

A silver and turquoise crucifix bought by Kris (Sherwood)
while visiting Mexico City in 1989.

The Latin Cross has been the preeminent symbol of Western civilization for centuries, symbolizing to millions of people, Christ, the highest good, crucifixion, death (especially in Latin speaking countries, including Mexico), sin, guilt, sorrow, burial, resurrection, salvation, heaven, and God.

‘At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.’
(Matthew 24:30-31)

‘The sign of the Son of Man’ (Christ) is a Latin Cross, and ‘the nations’ did mourn soon after this UFO fleet sign appeared in the sky above Florida, after Katrina struck New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. Witnessed directly above St. Petersberg the UFO fleet sign was, in my view, a double affirmation of Biblical prophesy being fulfilled in modern times.

A major city on the US Gulf Coast was about to be inundated by a natural and man caused catastrophe that would claim many lives, devastate thousands of square miles, and greatly impact the consciousness of millions of people around the world. A Latin Cross, a sign of Christ and ‘the highest good’ had preceded the disaster, silently affirming that certain ET Intelligences are well aware of Biblical prophesy, had foreseen the coming storm, and were giving us prophesized signs.

Just over seven weeks earlier, across the Gulf of Mexico from St. Petersberg, a UFO fleet sign had appeared above Xalapa, and the House of the True Cross, in Mexico, a Latin speaking country. Were certain ET Intelligences, behind both sightings, also saying THEY are of the highest good, recognize Jehovah, and can help humanity? I think so. By their actions you will know them.[ex/]

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:56 AM

On June 3rd 2005 I wrote to Santiago Yturria ‘…if my ‘translation’ of a Biblical prophesy is correct, a lot more is on the very near horizon too!’, and more had happened, including UFO fleet signs reflecting a ‘Biblical’ theme.

Since July 11th 1991, Mexico has been experiencing a ‘dress rehearsal’, in my view, of what has been prophesized to occur globally in the very near future: an unmistakable sign, that we are NOT alone in the Universe, involving a mass externalization of ET vehicles, and beings (a major aspect of the prophesized ‘Second Coming’) witnessed around the world ‘over a period of nine days’ (Ref. 5). This event, will affect the Collective Mind of humanity like none before it, that is, not since ‘God Consciousness’ last walked on the Earth, through Jesus.

‘And when he had opened the Seventh seal, there was silence in heaven
about the space of half an hour.’ (Revelation, Chapter 8, verse 1, Ref. 6 & 5)

It IS time for humanity to really come out of the darkness of not knowing if we are alone or not, and to realize that there are many highly advanced and spiritual (as well as some not so spiritual) ET Civilizations out there, coming here. The seventh seal has not been opened yet, but signs that the time is drawing very near is coming to pass (Ref. 5).

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:’
(‘The Acts of the Apostles’ Chapter 2:17)

The night before Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans I experienced a prophetic dream. I dreamt I descended a steep coastal cliff trail at night, in a brooding storm, to a thickly wooded pit with near vertical sides, descending to an old brick well, and an ivy covered sign that read ‘Worm’. Partially covered by foliage I brushed aside the ivy to read ‘Wormwood’, and realized I was standing next to an open symbolic ‘bottomless pit’, and at a place where the land meets the sea! After I awoke I understood my dream to mean that New Orleans was about to be poisoned by the water of Hurricane Katrina, and that the ‘Wormwood’ of Revelation would be remembered (Revelation, Chapter 8, verse 11, Ref. 6).

After Katrina struck New Orleans I learned while watching a television documentary that the inundation and contamination of the city by a massive Hurricane had, in 2001, been foreseen by FEMA (The Federal Emergency Management Agency) to be one of the three likeliest natural and/or other disasters to occur in the US. Another had been an attack on the Two Trade Towers (foretold in Revelation, Chapter 18, verse 1-24, Ref. 6) prior to 9:11.
The third is thought to be a powerful earthquake devastating San Francisco. I might be biased living in Santa Monica, but rather than San Francisco, I would be more concerned about the city of ‘The Angels’, Los Angeles, and Hollywood in California, ‘which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.’ (Revelation, Chapter 11, verse 8, Ref. 6)

California has long been known to many world nations as “The Golden State”, following the discovery of gold in 1848, which triggered one of the largest human migrations in history to that region (Ref. 15). In ‘The Book of Revelation’ California is synonymous with Egypt, a land renowned for its gold and tremendous wealth in ancient times. It is also where Hollywood is located, spiritually identified with ‘Sodom and Egypt’, where decadence and ‘immortality’ have long been sought through the worship of materialism, ‘idols’, and the ‘silver screen’. Another affirmation of this prophesy is the fact that in addition to being crucified once 2000 years ago in Palestine, ‘Our Lord’, Jesus, has ‘also’ been ‘crucified’ in Hollywood in films and television, including recently and most graphically in ‘The Passion of The Christ’ by actor and director Mel Gibson, a film that has reportedly earned nearly a billion dollars!

These ARE prophetic times, and great signs have been appearing for more than thirty years, in my view, affirming it: upon the ground in England in the form of certain non-manmade Crop Circle formations (Ref. 16), and in the sky as unprecedented UFO sightings (i.e.: Mexico City 1991-present, Phoenix 1997, Istanbul 1999 – Ref. 17, Guadalajara 2004, and a great many more), including some of the most recent and unprecedented UFO fleet sightings and signs above Mexico, and Florida!

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:57 AM
reply to post by getreadyalready

I have no idea. I really want to get everyone's opinion on this.

I hope nothing bad happens at all, but you never can tell what is up, literally!

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:58 AM
It is highly doubtful these aliens even know what they are doing flying in a cross formation, if at all on purpose. Even if they did, much like every other "Jesus on a pancake" sighting, the signs are absolutely ambiguous and bear no real meaning at all unless you make hundreds of assumptions.

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 12:05 PM
reply to post by bananasam

For me, it is hard to believe that. I know that the regular, "My bacon looks like a crucifix" is a little far out there.

But for unknown objects to make formations related to religious symbolism is a bit too coincidental. Readin some of the things that have been throughout history leads me to believe that they, not only know of religion, but may have started religion in the first place.

There is another thread right now that touches on some interesting subjects. The thread is "Was Jesus and Alien" and there are several different points of view there.

The main thing about assumptions is everybody has one... and many of them have to be made to form a conclusion on most anything, including the existence of many religious figures in history, including the bible.

Moses for example, many believe he didn't exist and Noah too.

Linking the two could be disastrous or it could lead to some new realizations. Either way, only knowledge can be gained by exploring the concepts. I kind of want some answers, I am a little tired of the safe space.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by esteay812]

posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:07 PM

Originally posted by esteay812
reply to post by bananasam

For me, it is hard to believe that. I know that the regular, "My bacon looks like a crucifix" is a little far out there.

But for unknown objects to make formations related to religious symbolism is a bit too coincidental. Readin some of the things that have been throughout history leads me to believe that they, not only know of religion, but may have started religion in the first place.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by esteay812]

You have a point- it could also be why the Vatican suddenly said aliens were applicable to the Bible. Of course, there are other explanations. There may be a strategic reason for forming that way(although in modern aviation I know of no such thing), or they may just be saying "we are here." The thing is I am hesitant to tie religion in so quickly to the UFO debate, since religion itself is already such a confusing topic to prove or verify.

posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 06:17 PM
reply to post by bananasam

You are right in the overall point of the topic. There are just too many angles we would have to consider to draw any kind of conclusion and any of them are just as accurate as the next, since we are dealing with UFOs.

Religion is just a great subject to touch on, because so many people feel so different and know so many different aspects of different religions.

It is like individual religions shield their followers from the idea of other religions and the information they carry. I would like to be able to study as many as possible, while drawing lines that connect them and finding the walls that seperate.

I believe that, even in the seperation, similiarities are to be found. There is no telling where the trail may lead, depending on what you are looking for.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by esteay812]

posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 06:28 PM
Does anyone know where the actual video of the "Katrina Cross" is? I have trouble taking stills from video seriously, but cannot find the actual video anywhere. Apparently is was shown at a jamie maussan lecture, but thats all I know.

I've looked everywhere. Help?


[edit on 17-6-2009 by amongus]

posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 04:26 AM

Does anyone have any info on the video clip talked about in this post?

posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:05 PM
reply to post by amongus

I wish I did have more information on the video, because I would like to see it myself, but it is a bitt hard to come across - screen shots excluded.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by esteay812]

posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:24 PM
very informative thanks for your thread.

well done

posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:52 PM
Katrina wasnt a category 5 when it land it was a 2 or a 3 and if it was the mothman i would believe it.

posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 01:10 AM
reply to post by Mr. rock

Correct. I live in Baton Rouge and did so through Katrina. She was a 3 when she made landfall, and while the winds were strong, were far from "Cataclysmic"...the damage in New Orleans was caused by a failed, outdated, and poorly designed levee system which flooded the city and surrounding Parishes (That's Louisianian for counties) causing widespread displacement and death.

As for the cross idea...i think that four connected right angles is probably more mathematical in design than spiritual...just my opinion.

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