New Analysis Video of the STS-75 Tether Incident

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by depthoffield

 

You got a link to this picture in the background you are flashing?

Cause it does look a bit like Orions belt, but that is the most flat I have ever seen Orions Belt, and the other stars don't match up that well either.

I was wondering what you meant by objects near the shuttle too, as I didn't see much moving in that one.

You really think the stars don't match up that well? It looks like a perfect match to me after accounting for lens distortion at the edges of the frame.

Nice work Depthoffield!

The only place they get off noticeably is around the edges, and a little more in the corners, but that looks like a lens distortion effect because the amount they are off is consistent based on their position in the frame, thus once you account for the lens distortion even the ones that are off a little bit near the top edge, also appear to be a perfect match. I don't think there's anything DoF can do to match it up better. The edge distortion appears to be an effect of a wide angle setting on the zoom lens would be my guess.

If you don't want to install Stellarium, then www.heavens-above.com... is another alternative you could try.

So what are you guys saying then?

Here we have the shuttle well lit, we see lots of overexposure/whitewash, like in the tether video, but no little particles floating around like you have been claiming all along. We can even see the shuttle, a good view of where we should see the particle you claim to be always there. We see the thrusters firing, so there should be the creation of numerous particles like you have all been claiming all along.

AND

BY YOUR OWN WORDS

No debris here!

Hmm, Nice to see you admit that what you claimed would be there is not.

Yeah, looks like a pretty good match for Orion's belt. It will be interesting to see how you try to back pedal out of this one now. I guess those particle always floating outside the shuttle are only there when it is convenient for you.

There are two good sized orbs in this video that are not associated with the moon, and there is one particle that moves differently. There is a great deal of distortion where we see tiny little flashes of light constantly. Most of that is probably electronic distortion, but some of it near the shuttle might not be. There is something faint in the left of the screen about the middle on the y axis that is not a part of the stars in the background stars.

Overall, however, we see nothing like what you claim to be the situation in the tether video, even though the camera is pointed along the surface of the shuttle, and appears to be focused much closer, which means we should be seeing more particles. If these particles are always floating around like you claim, then why don't we see them in this video, especially right after a thruster firing.

Here is a video in color, where the people talking identify some odd stuff.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by JimOberg
You lied to me ? You said that the issue re: the Astronaut was over & this is the way you honor your word???

This is a cheap shot that makes me re-think my profile of you as a man of decency. I thought had some boundaries. Have you no feeling for "the friend of Dr. Weinberg"...a man who I promised never to discuss again, because he is back with NASA, his son is a scientist & they both are mad as hell that I told this story back in 1999. You know who I refer to & he is solidly against any more UFO talk. His CSA friends were hurt by my revelations, & the CSA individual who told me "things" was very damaged & felt betrayed.

He is a decent human who made some mistakes, when he outed this event...Yet despite assurances on previous ATS posts that you will both drop this if I do, you drag it out. You are willing to do & say anything to anybody to benefit you...even these NASA & CSA folks... you seem to want to drag them through the mud... just to lash out at me. That is sad. How can anyone take your word seriously, or your promises when this demonstrates that when cornered, you will sell them down the drain.

Stick to the topic & don't panic. You are "yesterdays man" anyway...a 20th. century mind, trying to peddle an old & debunked STS-75 analysis! You know it is over for you & in the hands of the new centurians here at ATS.

Originally posted by JimOberg
and Story Musgrave (you know, the astronaut who says that no astronaut's ever seen indications of alien life on space flights) discussing it with MCC.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Somebody's expertise is established through certification and track record, not because they agree with you. A person should be able to be judged an expert prior to your passing judgment on a specific statement they make.

Jim, because Story Musgrave has as you say said during a discussing with MCC that no astronaut's ever seen indications of alien life on space flights and because of what you said about somebody's expertise is established through certification and track record, what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

DR. BRIAN O'LEARY
Apollo Astronaut
Foreword to Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge, Crossing Point
September 14

"These revelations underscore a long, sordid history of governmental and media secrecy and the acquisition of technologies such as microelectronics, anti-gravity propulsion and zero-point, or "free" energy, from our visitors.

This massive cover-up has been going on for almost six decades since the UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, an event which was certainly not caused by balloons, as alleged by the U.S. Air force. Such myths are only accepted by the ignorant or the powerful and their subjects."

COLONEL L. GORDON COOPER
Mercury and Gemini Astronaut
Address to the United Nations
1985

"I wanted to convey to you my views on our extra-terrestrial visitors popularly referred to as ' UFOs,' and suggest what might be done to properly deal with them."

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth.

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public."

COLONEL L. GORDON COOPER
Mercury and Gemini Astronaut
Omni Magazine
Vol. 2, No. 6, March 1980

"While flying with several other USAF pilots over Germany in 1957, we sighted numerous radiant flying discs above us. We couldn't tell how high they were. We couldn't get anywhere near their altitude."

COLONEL L. GORDON COOPER
Mercury and Gemini Astronaut
Omni Magazine
Vol. 2, No. 6, March 1980

"I should point out that I am not an experienced UFO professional researcher. I have not yet had the privilege of flying a UFO, nor of meeting the crew of one. I do feel that I am somewhat qualified to discuss them since I have been into the fringes of the vast areas in which they travel. Also, I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe. They were at a higher altitude than we could reach with our jet fighters of that time."

"I would also like to point out that most astronauts are very reluctant to even discuss UFOs due to the great numbers of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and forged documents abusing their names and reputations without hesitation. Those few astronauts who have continued to have participation in the UFO field have had to do so very cautiously. There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane. There was only one occasion from space which may have been a UFO."

"Several days in a row we sighted groups of metallic, saucer-shaped vehicles at great altitudes over the base, and we tried to get close to them, but they were able to change direction faster than our fighters. I do believe UFOs exist and that the truly unexplained ones are from some other technologically advanced civilization. From my association with aircraft and spacecraft, I think I have a pretty good idea of what everyone on this planet has and their performance capabilities, and I'm sure some of the UFOs at least are not from anywhere on Earth."

Mercury 9 and Gemini 5 astronaut Gordon Cooper talks about his UFO sightings and experiences.

COMMANDER EUGENE CERNAN
Commander, Apollo 17 Mission
1973 article in the Los Angeles Times

"...I've been asked about UFOs and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."

DR. EDGAR MITCHELL
Apollo 14 Astronaut
As reported in the Palm Beach Post
February 10, 2004

(Regarding government cover-up of UFOs)
"That's putting it mildly. We've been lied to and covered up. It was a military rationale 50 years ago. Now it's a bureaucratic morass. I doubt if higher-ups even know what the right answers are."
(Regarding why a cover up at the beginning)
"It would rattle our foundations."
(Regarding Area 51, the secret military base in Nevada where scientists study crashed alien spacecraft and their crews)
"Was briefed, even recently, by 'old timers' who were there, but I can't say by whom."
(Regarding the Roswell incident, in which aliens, some alive, were recovered after a July 1947 crash)
"It was valid. I've been briefed."

DR. EDGAR MITCHELL
Apollo 14 Astronaut
MSN Interview 10/98

I have been over the years very skeptical like many others. But in the last ten years or so, I have known the late Dr. Alan Hynek - who I highly admire. I know and currently work with Dr. Jacques Vallee. I've come to realize that the evidence is building up to make this a valid and researchable question. Further, because my personal motivation has always been to understand our universe better, and my own theoretical work has convinced me that life is everywhere in the universe that has been permitted to evolve, I consider this a very timely question... By becoming more involved with the serious research field, I've seen the evidence mount towards the truth of these matters. I rely upon the testimony of contacts that I have had - old timers - who were involved in official positions in government and intelligence and military over the last 50 years. We cannot say that today's government is really covering it up - I think that most of them don't know what is going on anymore than the public...

DR. EDGAR MITCHELL
Apollo 14 Astronaut
Interview with Art Bell Show
January 5, 1998

"We're way, way past time for bringing this information to the public, acknowledging it and entering into the sort of discussions at the highest levels of congress and the government - to make this information available to the public. It's far, far past time for this. If we don't do it here, I don't know when we'll ever going to be able to do it."
"I think our representative democracy is in danger....I think events are moving so fast, so very rapidly, that no one is really on top of it, and if we don't get the people mobilized here to demand that we get to the bottom of these issues we're talking about today...we're not going to have an opportunity forever. This is a key issue that we are talking about."

DR. EDGAR MITCHELL
Apollo 14 astronaut
Taped interview

"I've talked with people of stature-of military and government credentials and position-and heard their stories, and their desire to tell their stories openly to the public. And that got my attention very, very rapidly.... The first hand experiences of these credible witnesses that, now in advanced years are anxious to tell their story, we can't deny that, and the evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident, and that indeed an alien craft did crash, and that material was recovered from that crash site."

"The U.S. Government hasn't maintained secrecy regarding UFOs It's been leaking out all over the place. But the way it's been handled is by denial, by denying the truth of the documents that have leaked. By attempting to show them as fraudulent, as bogus of some sort.

There has been a very large disinformation and misinformation effort around this whole area. And one must wonder, how better to hide something out in the open than just to say, 'It isn't there. You're deceiving yourself if you think this is true.' And yet, there it is right in front of you. So it's a disinformation effort that's concerning here, not the fact that they have kept the secret. They haven't kept it. It's been getting out into the public for fifty years or more."
"We all know UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where are they from."

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you failed on this one (orion video), and now accuse me instead after i argumented you what you are infact seeing? You are such a character! (remeber i said about that you can be a very good lawyer, promoting white as black or viceversa)

YOU was the one who SAID that in this Orion video we see many debris.

Originally posted by poet1b
There is a great deal going on in this video, most of it appears to be debri of some kind near the shuttle. The big think that comes into the view of the camera for a short time could be anything, large and bright enough to have that affect.

and previously YOU was the person which promoted (after Mcrom901) this video as being strange and related to tether incident:

Originally posted by poet1b
I think these three videos recently posted, thanks to the contributors.

mcrom901

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.youtube.com...

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I think each of these videos give considerable clues as to what we are seeing in the tether video as far as what close up debri looks like, as opposed to what more distant objects look like.

One clear comparison that I see is the way they move.

What are those most debris here in Orion video, having "the way they move"? There is ONLY one bigger and closer debris (the "door-like"), and the rest are stars from/near Orion. The two orbs are lens flares, also the left small "patch" (fixed in the frame no matter the shuttle is rotating).



Also your wrong acussations:

Originally posted by poet1b

So what are you guys saying then?

Here we have the shuttle well lit, we see lots of overexposure/whitewash, like in the tether video, but no little particles floating around like you have been claiming all along.

Me claiming that in this Orion videos are debris?? Are you losing your memory?
YOU was the one claiming that those many white objects (now identidified mostly if not all of them as stars on Orion) are "most of it appears to be debri of some kind near the shuttle".. see above for refreshing your memory.

Originally posted by poet1b
We can even see the shuttle, a good view of where we should see the particle you claim to be always there. We see the thrusters firing, so there should be the creation of numerous particles like you have all been claiming all along.

I NEVER claimed that in this Orion video we see a lot of debris. YOU was the one.
I NEVER claimed that ALWAYS near the shuttle should be particles (or even always visible). All i said it was that near the shuttle could be particles in some circumstances, as a normal phenomenon related to the shuttle activities. This doesn't means that ALWAYS the optical environment is spoiled by the nearby particles. Only at some times.
Also, I NEVER claimed that thrusters ALWAYS make particles.

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, no matter how disperately you are because you failed on this.

Originally posted by poet1b
AND

BY YOUR OWN WORDS

No debris here!

Hmm, Nice to see you admit that what you claimed would be there is not.

of course no debris here in Orion video (except door-like closer one)... you were the one confusing all the stars with debris.
What i've admited? You are lost...

Originally posted by poet1b
I guess those particle always floating outside the shuttle are only there when it is convenient for you.

Who says about "always"? Don't INVENT things i never said.

Originally posted by poet1b
Overall, however, we see nothing like what you claim to be the situation in the tether video, even though the camera is pointed along the surface of the shuttle, and appears to be focused much closer, which means we should be seeing more particles. If these particles are always floating around like you claim, then why don't we see them in this video, especially right after a thruster firing.

I never claimed this video is related to tether incident, YOU are the one saying this: "I think each of these videos give considerable clues as to what we are seeing in the tether video "
...again, i never claimed that ALWAYS particles are near the shuttle.


You are getting desperate when you are caught in confusion.

And consume my/our energy...






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Originally posted by depthoffield
and previously YOU was the person which promoted (after Mcrom901) this video as being strange and related to tether incident:

Originally posted by depthoffield
DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, no matter how disperately you are because you failed on this.

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Originally posted by poet1b

So what are you guys saying then?

Here we have the shuttle well lit, we see lots of overexposure/whitewash, like in the tether video, but no little particles floating around like you have been claiming all along. We can even see the shuttle, a good view of where we should see the particle you claim to be always there. We see the thrusters firing, so there should be the creation of numerous particles like you have all been claiming all along.

Nope. Nobody's claiming what you allege that skeptics are claiming. You're imagining it. Try to read people's posts more carefully to avoid mistaken detours like this non-argument.

Or are you deliberately distorting the arguments of people you are trying to refute, and then concentrating on their falsified positions instead of their real ones?

I'd hate to have to come to that unflattering conclusion. I think you're just careless.



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Originally posted by poet1b
I guess those particle always floating outside the shuttle are only there when it is convenient for you.

By no means. There are first usually particles floating around shuttles when videos are taken that Martyn THEN posts as 'UFOs'.

One is a cause, the other is a consequence.

This linkage is seen most clearly in the very special and unusual illumination conditions that actually lead to the visual effects that generate apparent 'UFO' videos on STS-48, 63, 80, 114, etc etc -- a linkage that proponents of UFOness never noticed, and when told about, pretended not to hear.

The set of conditions is this:

Payload Bay Camera observing dark horizon -- either as Mesoscale Lightning Experiment, or tracking a rendezvous target (also near the horizon).

Shuttle moves into sunlight -- but ground below is still dark so the shuttle's shadow is not backfilled from light reflected off the earth.

If there are shuttle-generated particles nearby, they show up as dots moving in random directions, and some 'appear' abruptly as they move out of the shuttle's shadow. This effect can be verified by noticing that since particles almost always are moving away from the shuttle, they almost always move OUT of its umbra and 'appear' -- while videos showing dots 'disappearing' (moving back into the shadow) are practically non-existent. The shadow theory explains this as an obvious consequence; the 'UFO theory' does not.

This situation holds for only a few minutes per each orbit.

Yet it is the situation under which the most spectacular 'space UFO' videos ALL seem to have occurred.

How is that an accident, or a coincidence?

I argue the opposite. In my view, it is a consequence of the prosaic cause of the videos.

Why didn't UFO researchers ever notice this before? Because IMHO they don't WANT to know the date/time and illumination conditions under which the scenes occur -- and they clearly do not want their target audience to know, either. Worse, they want NOT to know, and do their best to prevent others from finding out.

Originally posted by secretnasaman
reply to post by JimOberg

 

You lied to me ? You said that the issue re: the Astronaut was over & this is the way you honor your word???

This is a cheap shot that makes me re-think my profile of you as a man of decency. I thought had some boundaries. Have you no feeling for "the friend of Dr. Weinberg"...a man who I promised never to discuss again, because he is back with NASA, his son is a scientist & they both are mad as hell that I told this story back in 1999. You know who I refer to & he is solidly against any more UFO talk. His CSA friends were hurt by my revelations, & the CSA individual who told me "things" was very damaged & felt betrayed.

He is mad as hell at YOU for distorting your conversations and dragging his family into your fantasies. He's sent me statements for publication. Let me go dig them up and start a new thread with them.

It comes down to your continued statements of non-facts about everybody you seem to deal with, Martyn, none of which I argue should be believed without independent corroboration. It's a prudent research technique to apply to any of us.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Jim, because Story Musgrave has as you say said during a discussing with MCC that no astronaut's ever seen indications of alien life on space flights and because of what you said about somebody's expertise is established through certification and track record, what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

I'll get to them, but first -- where on Earth did you get the idea Musgrave said that during a discussion with the MCC? I tried to make it clear that he made statements during media interviews, and in face-to-face and email exchanges directly with me. Not with the MCC. Sorry to have let you get confused over this.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
.... what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

DR. BRIAN O'LEARY
Apollo Astronaut
Foreword to Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge, Crossing Point
September 14

"These revelations underscore a long, sordid history of governmental and media secrecy and the acquisition of technologies such as microelectronics, anti-gravity propulsion and zero-point, or "free" energy, from our visitors.

This massive cover-up has been going on for almost six decades since the UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, an event which was certainly not caused by balloons, as alleged by the U.S. Air force. Such myths are only accepted by the ignorant or the powerful and their subjects."

O'Leary was never an Apollo astronaut. He washed out as a trainee. What else about your allegations is as erroneous?

He is indeed a sweet and imaginative guy, who has written a number of books on far-out topics. Where he learned anything about UFOs, except from other people's books, I could never determine. Certainly not at NASA.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Jim, because Story Musgrave has as you say said during a discussing with MCC that no astronaut's ever seen indications of alien life on space flights and because of what you said about somebody's expertise is established through certification and track record, what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

where on Earth did you get the idea Musgrave said that during a discussion with the MCC? I tried to make it clear that he made statements during media interviews, and in face-to-face and email exchanges directly with me. Not with the MCC. Sorry to have let you get confused over this.

Well, that was what I thought you are saying here.

reply to post by JimOberg

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by mcrom901

Originally posted by JimOberg
But I don't think you have enough experience viewing space scenes in all varieties of illumination to judge what's daylight and what's not.

whats your take on this?

bonus items: visible stars + ufo

Beautiful sequence of thruster firings -- the sort of thing Fleming says his expert said were invisible at night -- and the moon, and Story Musgrave (you know, the astronaut who says that no astronaut's ever seen indications of alien life on space flights) discussing it with MCC. And -- oh yeah, you did notice the object that came out of the payload bay, probably was a few inches long. Was that your alien starcraft? Probably a plasma critter's cocoon.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by spacevisitor
.... what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

DR. BRIAN O'LEARY
Apollo Astronaut
Foreword to Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge, Crossing Point
September 14

"These revelations underscore a long, sordid history of governmental and media secrecy and the acquisition of technologies such as microelectronics, anti-gravity propulsion and zero-point, or "free" energy, from our visitors.

This massive cover-up has been going on for almost six decades since the UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, an event which was certainly not caused by balloons, as alleged by the U.S. Air force. Such myths are only accepted by the ignorant or the powerful and their subjects."

O'Leary was never an Apollo astronaut. He washed out as a trainee.

Well, despite you say that in my opinion on a pretty knee jerking way, he must have some pretty impressive qualities don’t you think, because why could he otherwise become selected for being an Apollo astronaut trainee in the first place?

Originally posted by JimOberg
He is indeed a sweet and imaginative guy, who has written a number of books on far-out topics.

Well, I suppose some ATS members, except me of course, will find you also a sweet and imaginative guy, who has written a number of books on far-out topics.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Where he learned anything about UFOs, except from other people's books, I could never determine.

That is entirely your problem don’t you think?

Originally posted by JimOberg
Certainly not at NASA.

You mean that NASA will never admit that.

But Jim, what is your opinion of the statements of those other astronauts then, those of Colonel Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell, two real American heroes of the right stuff in my opinion don’t you think also?

But before you post your opinions about the statements of these two really extraordinary and very brave men please take notice of NASA’s own Biographical Data of them in my next two posts.


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Biographical Data

National Aeronautics and
Space Administration

Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
Houston, Texas 77058
________________________________________
LEROY GORDON COOPER, JR. (COLONEL, USAF, RET.)
NASA ASTRONAUT (DECEASED)
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PERSONAL DATA: Born March 6, 1927 in Shawnee, Oklahoma. His interests included treasure hunting, archeology, racing, flying, skiing, boating, hunting and fishing. Gordon Cooper passed away on October 4, 2004, at his home in Ventura, California, at the age of 77.

EDUCATION: Attended primary and secondary schools in Shawnee, Oklahoma and Murray, Kentucky; received a Bachelor of Science degree in Aeronautical Engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT) in 1956; recipient of an Honorary Doctorate of Science degree from Oklahoma City University in 1967.

ORGANIZATIONS: The Society of Experimental Test Pilots, The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, The American Astronautical Society, The Blue Lodge Masons, The York Rite Masons, The Scottish Rite Masons, The Royal Order of Jesters, The Sojourners, The Rotary Club, The Daedalians, The Confederate Air Force, The Boy Scouts of America, The Girl Scouts of America.

SPECIAL HONORS: The Air Force Legion of Merit, The Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross, The Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross Cluster, The NASA Exceptional Service Medal, The NASA Distinguished Service Medal, USAF Command Astronaut Wings, The Collier Trophy, The Harmon Trophy, The Scottish Rite 33, The York Rite Knight of the Purple Cross, The DeMolay Legion of Honor, The John F. Kennedy Trophy, The Ivan E. Kincheloe Trophy, The Air Force Association Trophy, The Primus Trophy, The John Montgomery Trophy, The General Thomas E. White Trophy, The Association of Aviation Writers Award, The University of Hawaii Regents Medal, The Columbus Medal, The Silver Antelope, The Sport Fishing Society of Spain Award.

EXPERIENCE: Cooper, an Air Force Colonel, received an Army commission after completing three years of schooling at the University of Hawaii. He transferred his commission to the Air Force and was placed on active duty by that service in 1949 and given flight training.

His next assignment was with the 86th Fighter Bomber Group in Munich, Germany, where he flew F-84s and F-86s for four years. While in Munich, he also attended the European Extension of the University of Maryland night school.

He returned to the United States and, after two years of study at AFIT, received his degree. He then reported to the Air Force Experimental Flight Test School at Edwards Air Force Base, California, and, upon graduating in 1957, was assigned as an aeronautical engineer and test pilot in the Performance Engineering Branch of the Flight Test Division at Edwards. His responsibilities there included the flight testing of experimental fighter aircraft.

He logged more than 7,000 hours flying time--4,000 hours in jet aircraft. He had flown all types of Commercial and General aviation airplane and helicopters.
NASA EXPERIENCE: Colonel Cooper was selected as a Mercury astronaut in April 1959.

On May 15-16, 1963, he piloted the "Faith 7" spacecraft on a 22-orbit mission which concluded the operational phase of Project Mercury. During the 34 hours and 20 minutes of flight, Faith 7 attained an apogee of 166 statute miles and a speed of 17,546 miles per hour and traveled 546,167 statute miles.

Cooper served as command pilot of the 8-day 120-revolution Gemini 5 mission which began on August 21, 1965. It was on this flight that he and pilot Charles Conrad established a new space endurance record by traveling a distance of 3,312,993 miles in an elapsed time of 190 hours and 56 minutes. Cooper also became the first man to make a second orbital flight and thus won for the United States the lead in man-hours in space by accumulating a total of 225 hours and 15 minutes.

He served as backup command pilot for Gemini 12 and as backup commander for Apollo X.

Colonel Cooper logged 222 hours in space.

He retired from the Air Force and NASA in 1970.
BUSINESS EXPERIENCE:
• From 1962 to 1967, he was President of Performance Unlimited, Inc., a manufacturer and distributor of race and Marine engines, and fiberglass boats.

• From 1963 to 1967, he was President of GCR, Inc. They designed, tested and raced championship cars at Indianapolis and other USAC tracks, conducted tire tests for Firestone Tire and Rubber Company and pioneered turbine engine installation on cars.

• From 1965 to 1970, he was President of Teletest, Inc. They designed, installed and tested various systems using advanced Telemetry.

• From 1966 to 1969, he participated with Doubloon, Inc., on design, construction, and utilization of Treasure Hunting equipment.

• From 1968 to 1969, he participated with Cosmos, Inc., on Archeology exploration projects.

• From 1968 to 1970, he was part owner and race project manager of the Profile Race Team. He also designed, raced and constructed high performance boats.

• From 1968 to 1970, he was a Technical Consultant for corporate acquisitions and public relations for the Republic Corp.

• From 1967 to 1969, he was Technical Consultant for design and construction of various automotive production items for General Motors, Ford and Chrysler Motor Companies.

• From 1970 to 1972 he was Member of the Board of Directors and Technical Consultant for developing technical products and public relations in land development projects for Canaveral International, Inc.

• From 1970 to 1975, he was President of the consulting firm Gordon Cooper & Associates, Inc. They specialized in technical projects ranging from airline and aerospace fields to land and hotel development.

• From 1970 to 1974, he was on the Board of Directors for APECO which produced and marketed modular homes, computer systems, office systems, copy machines and boats and marine equipment.

• From July 1972 to June 1973, he was a Member of Board of Directors and Technical Consultant for Campco, a corporation which built campers and mobile homes.

• From August 1972 to December 1973, He was on the Board of Directors and a Technical Consultant for design and production of various advanced electronic systems for LowCom Systems, Inc.

• From 1972 to 1973, he was on the Board of Directors and a Technical Consultant for design and construction of lifting, inflatable, steerable foils which could land cargo and/or personnel at a precise spot for Aerofoil Systems, Inc.

• From July 1973 to January 1974, he was Vice President and member of the Board of Directors for Craftech Corporation. They specialized in the design and construction of economical homes, garages, storage buildings, and hangers of Craftboard and fiberglass.

• From January 1973 to 1975, he was Chairman of the Board for Constant Energy Systems, Inc.

• From January 1973 to 1975, he was Vice President for Research and Development/EPCOT for Walter E. Disney Enterprises, Inc., the research and development subsidiary of Walt Disney Productions.
OCTOBER 2004
This is the only version available from NASA.

www.jsc.nasa.gov...



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Biographical Data

National Aeronautics and
Space Administration

Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center
Houston, Texas 77058
________________________________________
NAME: Edgar Dean Mitchell (Captain, USN, Ret.)
NASA Astronaut (former)
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PERSONAL DATA: Born September 17, 1930, in Hereford, Texas, but considers Artesia, New Mexico, his hometown. Has resided in Palm Beach County, Florida since 1975. Divorced. Four daughters: Karlyn Mitchell, Ph.D Elizabeth Kendall, Kimberly Mitchell, Mary Beth Johnson. Two sons: Paul Mitchell, Adam Mitchell. Nine grandchildren.

EDUCATION: Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Management from Carnegie Mellon University (1952); Bachelor of Science degree in Aeronautics from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School (1961); Doctorate of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1964; Honorary Doctorates from New Mexico State University (1971), Carnegie-Mellon University (1971), University of Akron (1979) and Embry-Riddle University (1996).

ORGANIZATIONS: Member, Society of Experimental Test Pilots (1966--), American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (1963-1983), International Platform Association (1975-1983), Explorers Club (1972--), World Futures Society (1975--), New York Academy of Sciences (1975-1983). Honorary member, Radio and Television Correspondents Association (1972--).

HONORS AND AWARDS: Presidential Medal of Freedom. USN Distinguished Service Medal. NASA Distinguished Service Medal. NASA Distinguished Service Award. Three NASA Group Achievement Awards. USAF Aerospace Research Pilot School, First in Class Award. Medal of the City of New York. American Astronautical Society, Flight Achievement Award. Arnold Air Society, John F. Kennedy Award for Space Exploration. Carnegie Mellon University Alumni, Outstanding Man of the Year (1972). Kappa Sigma, Man of the Year Award (1972). Adventurers Club, Gold Medal Award for Exploration. Explorers Club, Lowell Thomas Award for Explorations in Human Consciousness (1980). Drexel University, Engineering and Science Award for Explorations in Consciousness (1974). Space Hall of Fame (inducted 1979). Astronaut Hall of Fame (inducted 1995). Nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize (2005).

EXPERIENCE: Mitchell’s experience includes Navy operational flight, test flight, engineering, engineering management, and experience as a college instructor. Mitchell came to the Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston after graduating first in his class from the Air Force Aerospace Research Pilot School where he was both student and instructor.

He entered the Navy in 1952 and completed his basic training at the San Diego Recruit Depot. In May 1953, after completing instruction at the Officers’ Candidate School at Newport, Rhode Island, he was commissioned as an Ensign. He completed flight training in July 1954 at Hutchinson, Kansas, and subsequently was assigned to Patrol Squadron 29 deployed to Okinawa.

From 1957 to 1958, he flew A3 aircraft while assigned to Heavy Attack Squadron Two deployed aboard the USS BON HOMME RICHARD and USS TICONGEROGA; and he was a research project pilot with Air Development Squadron Five until 1959. From 1964 to 1965 he served as Chief, Project Management Division of the Navy Field Office for Manned Orbiting Laboratory. 1965-1966 was spent at the U.S. Air Force Aerospace Research Pilot School in preparation for astronaut duties, and certification as test pilot. Mitchell served as an instructor in advanced mathematics and navigation theory for astronaut candidates.
NASA EXPERIENCE: Mitchell was a member of Group 5, selected for astronaut training in April 1966. He served as a member of the astronaut support crew for Apollo 9 and as backup lunar module pilot for Apollo 10.

On January 31, 1971, serving as lunar module pilot, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, then a U.S. Navy Captain, embarked on a journey through outer space of some 500,000 miles that resulted in becoming the sixth man to walk on the moon. That historic journey terminated safely nine days later on February 9, 1971 and was made in the company of two other men of valor Admiral Alan Shepard and Colonel Stuart Roosa.

Maneuvering their lunar module, “Antares,” to a landing in the hilly upland Fra Mauro region of the moon, Shepard and Mitchell subsequently deployed and activated various scientific equipment and experiments and collected almost 100 pounds of lunar samples for return to Earth. Other Apollo 14 achievements included: first use of Mobile Equipment Transporter (MET); largest payload placed in lunar orbit; longest distance traversed on the lunar surface; largest payload returned from the lunar surface; longest lunar surface stay time (33 hours); longest lunar surface EVA (9 hours and 17 minutes); first use of shortened lunar orbit rendezvous techniques; first use of color TV with new vidicon tube on lunar surface; and first extensive orbital science period conducted during CSM solo operations.

In completing his first space flight, Mitchell logged a total of 216 hours and 42 minutes in space.

He was subsequently designated to serve as backup lunar module pilot for Apollo 16.

In 1972, Mitchell retired from NASA and the U.S. Navy.
BUSINESS EXPERIENCE: Dr. Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences in 1973, one year after retiring from government service. It is a foundation organized to sponsor research in the nature of consciousness. He also is co founder of the Association of Space Explorers, an international organization founded in 1984 for all who share the experience of space travel. Both are educational organizations developed to provide new understanding of the human condition resulting from the epoch of space exploration.

Dr. Mitchell is author of Psychic Exploration: A Challenge for Science, G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1974, a major reference book; and The Way of the Explorer Putnam 1996. He is also author and/or interviewee in dozens of articles in both professional and popular periodicals.

As a lecturer, Dr. Mitchell delivers 25 to 50 addresses annually on cosmology, human potential and topics relating to the evolving future of the species on planet Earth. His most current lecture series discusses the implications of recent discoveries in science as they affect our individual lives in the home, the workplace and society-at-large. He is a frequent guest on radio and television talk shows and has been featured in several documentary films relative to his interests.

Dr. Mitchell continues to write, speak and do research for a number of new books. He also is a consultant to a limited number of corporations and foundations.
SEPTEMBER 2007
This is the only version available from NASA. Updates must be sought from the above named individual.

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[edit on 5/12/09 by spacevisitor]

reply to post by depthoffield


This video in discussion is the closest video to the tether video.

We see the Thrusters firing, which everyone on your side of the debate claims will produce particles in the the video.

By your own statement, and Arbitrageur as well, none are seen.

And yet you deny what you have just posted in your reply.

A point which you conveniently left out in your response.

Will you continue to deny that even though we see the thrusters fire, they produce no particulates visible in the camera, pointing in the very direction where we should see these particulates.

I said most of it "appears" to be near the shuttle, not that this was my opinion. This video does give us clues as to what close up objects look like, and what camera distortion looks like, when the light is too bright.

It is called bait and switch, and a tactic deserving for the way you continuously, blatantly, ignore all the evidence which proves you wrong. It really is pathetic the way you choose what to recognize, and what you will ignore.

reply to post by JimOberg

If there are shuttle-generated particles nearby, they show up as dots moving in random directions, and some 'appear' abruptly as they move out of the shuttle's shadow.

And yet in a hundred pages since I brought up the question as to why we don't see this in other videos, you have yet to produce anything that is close to what we see in the tether video.

This video I am talking about, is the closets looking video to the tether video I have seen, with the light washing out the video the way it does in the tether video, and by the words of your own minions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No debris here!

Thanks you very much. I have not distorted anything, I am quoting the post.

If I hadn't insinuated that I see debri in the video, we would never have gotten such an admission.

This STS-61 video is a good example that supports the NASA study which reports that particles seen in the camera are very few after the shuttle has gotten a couple of days into the mission, and that particles from water dumps that show up in the video do not hang around the shuttle.

Notice how that chunk of what ever broke free, it disappeared from view within seconds. It didn't start orbiting with the shuttle.

As usual, you and your minions will ignore this evidence.

The other video, to which I posted a link, is in color, and looks so completely different than this STS-61 video with the white wash. It highly suggests that the camera is looking for a different spectrum of light than a normal camera would look at.

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by spacevisitor
.... what is your opinion of the statements of these astronaut’s?

DR. BRIAN O'LEARY
Apollo Astronaut
Foreword to Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge, Crossing Point
September 14

"These revelations underscore a long, sordid history of governmental and media secrecy and the acquisition of technologies such as microelectronics, anti-gravity propulsion and zero-point, or "free" energy, from our visitors.

This massive cover-up has been going on for almost six decades since the UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, an event which was certainly not caused by balloons, as alleged by the U.S. Air force. Such myths are only accepted by the ignorant or the powerful and their subjects."

O'Leary was never an Apollo astronaut. He washed out as a trainee.

Well, despite you say that in my opinion on a pretty knee jerking way, he must have some pretty impressive qualities don’t you think, because why could he otherwise become selected for being an Apollo astronaut trainee in the first place?

Indeed he was impressive on paper, at the age of 26. Deke Slayton, the chief of the astronauts and chairman of the selection panel, later called O'Leary his "worst ever mistake".

Thanks for admitting, implicitly, that your original post was in error. what have you learned from that experience?

Originally posted by JimOberg
He is indeed a sweet and imaginative guy, who has written a number of books on far-out topics.

Well, I suppose some ATS members, except me of course, will find you also a sweet and imaginative guy, who has written a number of books on far-out topics.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Where he learned anything about UFOs, except from other people's books, I could never determine.

That is entirely your problem don’t you think?

Originally posted by JimOberg
Certainly not at NASA.

You mean that NASA will never admit that.

Wrong. O'Leary himself doesn't claim to have learned anything about UFOs at NASA, unless I missed it in his books (which I own) or on coast-to-coast or somewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Otherwise, accept the fact.

But Jim, what is your opinion of the statements of those other astronauts then, those of Colonel Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell, two real American heroes of the right stuff in my opinion don’t you think also?

But before you post your opinions about the statements of these two really extraordinary and very brave men please take notice of NASA’s own Biographical Data of them in my next two posts.

I have no problems with Mitchell's personal opinions about other people's UFO stories. He's made it clear he was never familiar with any UFO experiences involving NASA. I've studied his claimed success at his private space ESP test (an imaginative and bold experiment that I've praised him for conducting), and found that his statistical manipulations to make the results look good by rewriting the rules ex post facto in order to indicate when he really wants to believe something, he'll find a way to make any data look supportive -- a very common human trait.

As for Cooper, he's told many far-out stories over the years. My favorite is that he saved the space shuttle program from a fatal design flaw by personally relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens that led to a fix that was never documented in the program history.

Do you believe that? I prefer to believe that he enjoyed telling audiences the kinds of stories he knew they would enjoy (and wouldn't ever check).

Cooper also had a track record regarding advising people who trusted his judgment and reputation to invest money in various aerospace breakthrough engineering schemes. He wasn't scamming -- he sunk his own money in the projects, too. More than two million dollars of other people's money was lost -- not a single project ever worked out. That's a track record that reflects on his judgment, wouldn't you say?

Or didn't you know about it? NASA covered it up. Does that give you an excuse?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by depthoffield

 

This video in discussion is the closest video to the tether video.

We see the Thrusters firing, which everyone on your side of the debate claims will produce particles in the the video.

I know I never claimed that, and I don't recall anyone else ever claiming that. Can you jog our memories with any citation where that claim is made? If not, you are really misrepresenting opinions contrary to your own, which is something that can be fixed, once you realize your problem.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by depthoffield

 

This video in discussion is the closest video to the tether video.

We see the Thrusters firing, which everyone on your side of the debate claims will produce particles in the the video.

By your own statement, and Arbitrageur as well, none are seen.

You are correct in stating that I didn't see any debris except what you called the "big think":

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by depthoffield

 

Big confusion about what? I haven't even given my opinion on the video.

There is a great deal going on in this video, most of it appears to be debri of some kind near the shuttle. The big think that comes into the view of the camera for a short time could be anything, large and bright enough to have that affect.

(By the way it's not a big thing, but a not so big thing as it's relatively close to the shuttle. And all those stars are not debris as you suggested).

But you are incorrect if you are implying that I stated something to the effect that when the RCS thruster fires you will ALWAYS see particle debris under all lighting conditions. I don't recall anyone else saying that either.

In fact, when I would most expect to see debris hanging around the shuttle from the RCS thruster, is when it is NOT firing, but leaking such as if a leak like this one found on the ground occurs in space:

www.nasaspaceflight.com...

If there is debris in the path of the thruster exhaust when it fires, the thruster can propel those particles away which is what we have seen in the directional change of some particles such as in the STS-48 video. So the thruster could actually make some particles disappear (from the field of view of the video) rather than appear.

DepthOfField is right, you'd make a good lawyer since even when you're wrong like when you thought all those stars were debris, you then twist it around to try to make it sound like the other guy was wrong.

But I'm not sure how much of the misinformation contained in your post is inadvertent from not reading or comprehending the posts of others well, and how much is intentional from blatantly misrepresenting what others have said even though you did understand it. I'm assuming the former and encourage you to read others' posts more carefully.

When I see a cloud, I know that it's possible I might see some rain as a result of it. When I see a shuttle video, I know it's possible I might see some particles from a thruster. But I also know that I don't expect to see rain every time I see a cloud, nor do I expect to see particles in the video every time I see a thruster. For you to infer that anybody has said we will ALWAYS see particles in the video whenever a thruster fires suggests to me a comprehension difficulty on your part, but if that was stated explicitly somewhere then please refer me to the post, as I missed it.