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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Senate Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee is considering requiring the U.S. Air Force to study the viability of creating an export version of the Lockheed Martin Corp F-22 fighter jet, a source closely following the issue told Reuters on Monday.
"There may be language inserted into the fiscal 2010 appropriations bill that would at least look at the possibility," said the source, who asked not to be identified since the legislative language is still being finalized.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates in April said the Pentagon would halt production of the radar-evading F-22 fighter at 187 airplanes, after ordering four more aircraft in fiscal 2009 that ends September 30.
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The F-22 would be ideal for both Japan and Australia and suit thier defence needs quite nicely.
Originally posted by C0bzz
The F-22 would be ideal for both Japan and Australia and suit thier defence needs quite nicely.
The RAAF doesn't think so.
Originally posted by FredT
While your right the F-22 has nothing suited for the maritime strike role (Although ive seen some info that the SDB might be suited for antishipping) that not to say it cannot be done.
The white paper just released gives government policy - the RAAF are keeping quiet
Air Marshal Shepherd —That is all right. I do not have Dr Jensen’s submission in front of me. Dr Jensen has his view, which is a view I do not share. It is a view that the department and the Air Force do not share either. I will ask Lieutenant General David Hurley to talk in a minute. He was at that presentation, I understand. We have done an analysis, but it is important to remember that the F-22 will not meet all the roles that we require in the air environment. It is a single role platform predominantly. We need to have a complementary platform to do strike and offensive air support. There are options other than just the F-111, but they all come at increasing cost and increasing strategic risk of an unbalanced ADF.
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The F-35 is excluded. So is the F-22. The F-35 is what happens when an F-16 gets drunk and sleeps with a penguin - then that mutant offspring gets raised by Harriers. It doesn't know what the hell it is, nor does anyone buying it quite know what they are going to do with it. It's the iPod of aviation.
Additionally, the F-35 cannot be any more 'stealthy' than the F-15SE by congressional restrictions on exported technology.
Silent Eagle will lack stealthy propulsion system features, including engine intake blockers, which are part of the F/A-18E/F design. It will also lack infrared signature suppressors on the back end of the aircraft to temper exhaust from the engines and radar blockers, says Jones. These decisions were made largely to curtail costs.
Stealthy F-15 Could Enliven St. Louis Facility.
Boeing acknowledges that the F-15SE's stealth improvements do not help against ground-based radar systems, which are critical for waging offensive strikes against opponents armed with surface-to-air missile systems. Lowering the F-15SE's thermal signature - a critical stealthy feature for the Lockheed F-22 Raptor - is also not part of Boeing plans.
But Boeing says the Silent Eagle is aimed at international customers more likely to use the it for defensive, counter-air missions, rather than offensive strikes in defended airspace where all-aspect stealth is necessary for survival.
THE DEW LINE - Stephen Trimble
Prof. Babbage — My understanding is that it is very likely that Australia will well and truly be able to obtain an aircraft which is in all respects comparable to the conventional take-off and landing aircraft that USAF will have in the sense of its stealth performance.
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Professor Ross Babbage is Chairman of The Kokoda Foundation and the Managing Director of Strategy International (ACT) Pty Ltd, a defence consulting and education service delivery organisation. Professor Babbage is a member of the Australian Minister’s Defence and National Security Advisory Council.
Professor Babbage has wide-ranging expertise in international security affairs. He has held several senior positions in the Australian Public Service, including Head of Strategic Analysis in the Office of National Assessments, and he led the branch in the Department of Defence responsible for ANZUS policy.
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As part of that restriction - the F-35's electronics are sealed, and no secondary suppliers/contractors are permitted. That means the F-35's electronics are - effectively - unserviceable, and we all know how countries like to add in their own electronics and be able to fix their own gear. This also means that the F-35 is useless in a time of war as it depends on external contractors for replacement parts and services.
the F-15SE out-ranges the F-35 by a long shot
The tradeoff for the reduction of onboard fuel is losing about 180-200 naut. mi. of range, says Jones. Engineers are exploring whether they can section off some areas of the CFT in front of and behind the weapon bays to carry additional fuel, buying back some of that range.
Stealthy F-15 Could Enliven St. Louis Facility.
Sorry, the F-15E, F-22, F-18, F-35, and the latest models of the F-16 all use the same basic avionics. Their radars are all virtually identical, spare for the size and specifics of the antenna.
Many of their EW capabilities are the same, as well.
It's branded as new for the F-22 and F-35 - but it's been around since the F-14D.
A target which is using radar to search for the F-22 or other friendly aircraft can be detected, tracked and identified by the ALR-94 long before its radar can see anything, at ranges of 250 nm or more. As the range closes, but still above 100 nm, the APG-77 can be cued by the ALR-94 to search for other aircraft in the hostile flight. The system uses techniques such as cued tracking: since the track file, updated by the ALR-94, can tell the radar where to look, it can detect and track the target with a very narrow beam, measuring as little as 2[degrees] by 2[degrees] in azimuth and elevation. One engineer calls it "a laser beam, not a searchlight. We want to use our resources on the high-value targets. We don't track targets that are too far away to be a threat."
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Date: 7/1/2000; Publication: Journal of Electronic Defense; Author: Sweetman, Bill
There's little more capability in the F-22 and F-35 than the current arsenal. To make matters worse, ground and ship-based radars have no problem picking them up. AWACS are a bit problematic as they are highly mobile and are on a completely different angle than surface systems - which makes them particularly troubling for our LO designs. Our newer fighters have little difficulty picking out LO airframes - though previous-generation radars have much more difficulty.
It's way over-budget, the per-unit cost rising, and the most generous estimates place the first operational squadrons of F-35s in 2016. In all likelihood, it will be a few years later, as lockheed again runs over-budget, past deadlines, and just drops the ball.
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F-14D could do that? F-117? Or I guess the time spent with Boeing 757 FTB and Boeing 737 CATB are complete wastes of time. The F-14D was good enough after all (as was the Sopwith Camel).
Tell me why, it's what you CONSISTENTLY fail to do. BACK UP what you say with SOMETHING CITED. Tapping your nose and saying trust me gets us nowhere.
Reports of the F-22's demise (may) have been exaggerated. Ever since Defense Secretary Gates signed the death certificate for Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT) vaunted air superiority fighter, analysts have been busy factoring the lost revenues into their valuations for the stock.
Well, it may be time to break out the pencils and protractors again, folks. Turns out, the F-22 is back in the running for as many as 60 new jets -- and maybe more.
Last week, we discussed efforts by Senate defense subcommittee chairman Daniel Inouye to revive plans to sell a modified F-22 to Japan. With North Korea's dictator testing nukes and tossing rockets into the Sea of Japan, things are heating up in Asia this summer. The Japanese hope that five dozen F-22s will enable their Air Self-Defense Force to counter the Peninsular threat, and Inouye's inclined to oblige them.
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Originally posted by Aim64C
Honestly, the F-15SE would be better suited. It would pick up the maritime defense role a lot more seamlessly than the F-22 would.
But the Eurofighter would also be a pretty good match to both country's needs.
The F-35 is a joke. It's a financial black hole that has a worm-hole to the Chinese. It's an L-O F-105, and it's the same mentality behind the F-35 that was behind the F-105.
Originally posted by Bugman82
reply to post by C0bzz
Awesome post! It shows that heartstring pulling cliche statements won't get anyone anywhere on this forum.
[edit on 10-8-2009 by Bugman82]