Few Americans have ANY clue of what conditions are really like for those who seek refuge in America...

While visiting a cattle farm in the canyons above Veracruz, I asked if I could take a walk through the lush jungle behind the farm... A young man was told to accompany me. He proudly showed me his 22 caliber single shot rifle, and offered it to me to examine, which I did. The trigger mechanism was rusted together, the bore was filled with rust, I could barely break the barrel open to see if it was loaded, finding one 22 LR in the breech...He was so proud of his status, that I said nothing, happy to have a guide accompany me.

Following the narrow footpaths up the steep sides of the canyon, there was lush tropical rain forest all around us..

There was one thing missing... I did not see any creatures, animals.. insects, yep, huge ones, but no animals.. I did find, on ground that often sloped 45 degrees, that someone had hand-planted individual stalks of corn... making little 20" retaining walls to hold the water.... I shortly thereafter came across a peasant family, living in a three sided wooden shelter, with bunks along the inside, and a dirt floor.. The children's eyes were wide with hunger.

When I returned I asked my host why there were no animals in the jungle.

She said simply, and without hesitation:

"The peasants have eaten everything that moves"




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I heard Rush Limbaugh read what it takes to become a Mexican citizen.........He proposed that we do our citizenship in this manner then after reading all the bs he said that is what Mexico does.

Wow! If only America would do that too!!!

don't know if it is still that hard, haven't looked.

Sorry, can't find the source, that was a few years ago on the radio.

This is on topic just bare with me.

I don't get it.

Here are all these people saying America shouldn't police the world, but yet they feel bad for other peoples living conditions. So they want them to come here illegally to make a better life for their families.

I have enough problems of my own to deal with. Call me cold hearted or whatever, but those illegal immigrants and messing with everybody's way of life here. Their cheap labor messes up the job market for everybody else.

So not only do they not pay taxes unless it is taken out of their pay checks, but if you live in a place like LA they get 800 bucks a month for just being an illegal immigrant, they get section 8 housing, medical care, food stamps, etc.

My suggestion to the OP if you do follow through make sure you get to what they call a "sanctuary city" like LA they care more about the illegal's than they do American's. Think about it, house, food, medical, and money, all for not being here legally. Don't sound like to bad of a deal to me as long as you don't mind living in poverty, at least the poverty you will be living in will be a little bit better than if you were an American citizen living in poverty.

The people saying illegals don't get all these benefits are delusional.

Why do anti-immigrants think the undocumented get all this benefits? where are you getting this information? anti-undocumented immigrants propaganda?

Health care? are you kidding me, undocumented immigrants don't get health care, most of them when they get sick they stay at home and try to "get over" their sickness because they can't afford hospitals.


i have many friends that are undocumented and they would love to have all the benefits you speak of, but they don't have them, so stop your misinformation propaganda, stop lying about the benefits they get, etc, etc. because those benefits don't exist...

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Originally posted by LostNemesis
WHAT in the WORLD do you know?!
People can get bank accounts, drivers' licenses, houses, and can even SELL DRUGS, without it haunting them for the rest of their lives.

The rest of us... crimes, bad driving record, debt.. IT FOLLOWS US FOREVER. Some have even had one night stands that left them in debt to some easy drug addict for the rest of their lives.

So very true. Even one's school records follow them, not to mention arrests. I would be nice if I could just cross the border, get new documents, then go back as a new person.....

I feel offended by the way Americans are held accountable for every action we make or not. PLUS the Federal Government's DEBT. You know each American citizen owes like $36k for that?

Actually, it's a lot more than that. Something like $250,000 for each American. I too am offended.

The "plight of the poor and desperate".... WE, AMERICANS, are ALSO poor and desperate. We just want the same ability to start a new. No other country in the world (that I know of), awards trespassers.

WHY can't American citizens have the same chance to just, start a new, and lose our past mistakes? It is unfair. This $%^*in SSN binds us to problems our whole lives.

Yes, why not? Americans don't even get a new start on their credit, bankruptcy follows one for 7-10 years, and one bad credit score and no house or car for you, friend.

I too have thought that disenfranchised Americans should invade Mexico, and apply for all the help available there. Stand around in the stores talking English in a loud voice, and undress their women with our eyes. Start our own grocery stores, and have only American foods..

For the record, I have no problem with anyone, from anywhere, who comes here with legal papers in hand, learns the language, learns our customs, and becomes an American citizen. The problem I have is those who swim the river to get here, then take advantage of services, like using the hospital emergency room for their personal doctor. And the mules who smuggle people over for a price, and the people who come here only to deal drugs and commit crimes.
By the way, I have a niece who took up with a Mexican fellow, got pregnant by him, then he was arrested for molesting a child and sent to prison. I have another lady friend whose fiancée was killed by a stolen car driven by Mexican who could not speak English, nor had a driver's license, and was drunk. Am I angry? Yes, I am! Do I feel that America is being actively invaded? Yes, I do. Hoist the colors...Stand by to repel borders!

Some really strong and valid point here...hard to live/work in South Texas and keep those "un-biased" feelings under wraps.

I will only add on a personal note: of course we as Texas drivers are required to have and show proof of automobile insurance.Mandatory.

HOWEVER,I believe the statistics are close to 80% of Bexar county(the main county which includes San Antonio,also has a VERY high stolen-vehicle rate) of Hispanic drivers are un-insured or carry fradulent cards.

This makes for some VERY interesting situations when the daily routine-traffic fender-benders that we all know never cost less than 1K to fix anymore happen.

It's also not mandatory for a "Mexican National" (usually someone wealthy from Mexico City who comes here to shop...) to carry US auto insutance while visiting the US and someone close to me was recently hit HARD int he rear while at a traffic light locally and the other driver was allowed simply to "leave the scene" because...well...the officer's hands were tied and there was no recourse as they weren't required to be insured for the time they were in the US.

The man spoke little English although he did seem to be contrite but offered no help financially with the damage.
The officer spoke no Spanish...bet THAT was an interesting little accident scene.

$3,500 worth of damage my friend had to absorb plus his rates went up for being involved in an accident,ie,sitting at a red light.

We however,MUST purchase "mexican auto insurance" if we deem it necessary to bring our vehicle across the border...



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so, the same thing happened with italians, the irish, etc...
i think diversity is part of the US culture and i see nothing wrong with that.
are you sure that your ANTI - isn't about color of skin or xenophobia?
nobody anti-immigration is full american, thats the irony me thinks..

you cannot be the pimp and the prostitute at the same time...

You are WAY off base.

I am NOT anti immigration. I am anti ILLEGAL immigration. Deny ignorance, educate yourself and know the difference!

Either we ALL play by the same rules, or simply scrap all law and opt for total anarchy.

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re Drugs and Latino Gangs

The following is a story told me by an Ex-Texas Ranger

"We had been surveilling an 18 wheeler, as it drove north to the us border. We were prepared to take it down as it crossed the border into the US at (deleted crossing), knowing it contained tons of cocaine and marjiuana. But we got orders from high up to let it pass. That is why I am an EX-texas ranger"

Who do you think these gangs are getting their drugs from? (google CIA drug smuggling)

Threats to your safety are crafted, created, encouraged, with intent, so that citizens will demand more law enforcement...

That keeps the prison industrial complex running and expanding and keeps enough tough guys available in black armored uniforms with enough expensive night vision equipment to put a sharp kid through medical school,

I mean, everyone, even old jocks, need a job, right?

All to make people think there is "law enforcement" while creating a performance that encourages SILENCE, silence of those who might make too much political noise, and the few that arn't scared into silence can just be called "kooks".

Having a conscience is considered "kooky" these days, telling the truth is very "kooky"

The apparency of American Democracy is all a theatrical.

You are supposed to hate other groups of people, we are being encouraged to separate ourselves from others, we are supposed to all be at each others throats.

El Duce, Italy's Mussolini defined Fascism as the marriage of the corporations to the state. Think about this for a bit, please?

Democracy is easily subverted into a complete sham by merely controlling the information that people see on the boob-tube while keeping your dirty deeds secret.. especially your theatricals, that are supposed to lead the population to make false conclusions by implication .

What is feared the most is that we might all take to the streets and force the tyrants out of office like the Romanians forced that tyrant Cecesecu (sorry about spelling) out of office ( Who was a Fascistic US puppet )

This is our police state... The US trains the police state enforcers over much of the world, in covert hypnosis techniques, (told to me by a graduate of The School of the Americas < google that), torture, covert intimidation, AKA gaslighting and how to use a rubber hose on troublemakers. This is the New Order American Way.

YES SIR, You will OBEY, and keep your prison cell, err, I mean your home, tidy..and smile while you pay us for the privlege,, or we might label you as a terrorist.

The "gangs" are being used just like other groups are being 'used'...

"In an era of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" Orwell 1984

Apologies for writing this in rant mode...





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