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3. The Torah never mentions a Trinity. It mentions a one and only God.
...like jealousy, love, hate
So what is the problem? Because it's not a sign if you can't see it. So how can a virgin birth be a sign from god if nobody can see it?
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
Other than written text (which can be mis-interpreted, maneuvered and corrupted) there is and has been zero, zilch, nada, and no evidence ever that a God of this nature exists. The only evidence that could ever be concocted is the ark of the covenant. It is nowhere to be found.
Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by octotom
You beat me to it. There are several times in the Old Testament, especially in Genesis wher God is referred to in the plural "Elohim." Let us not for get the the passage in Genesis that states that the "Sons of God came down and looked upon the daughters of men and knew them." I'm not sure if that is an exact quote because I don't have my Bible handy. But these passages clearly support the possiblity of a Trinity.
:"The fanciful idea that [´elo·him'] referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God."
"It is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute."
"[´Elo·him'] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty."
Originally posted by octotom
People could've seen if Mary was a virgin. If the hymen membrane is still there, and yet she's pregnant, something was up.
From the actions of Joseph, one can see that something was different about Mary's pregnancy--he didn't "turn here in". He wanted to divorce her quietly. Had she not been a virgin, Joseph would've had every right to turn her in, get his bride price back, and have her stoned.
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Also, they are married but she is a virgin? I didn't realize they were already married. If that is true, then it makes the story even more unbelievable.
Just makes much more sense to me in this way, and I think people often forget the 2 births. That 2nd birth Jesus had obviously already went through.