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Again, that the other men were even part of the equation at all is the proof. They should not have heard, seen or even known anything about it. Paul does this trying to justify himself, as if it say - look it really happened, the men are proof! And because he didn't understand, he unwittingly tells on himself. It's just not how those things happen. Unless to say he was like moses, which obviously he wasn't.
He seen the light around his men? Again, meaning - he saw with his 2 eyes, not his minds eye.
The point is, you have to take it on faith because if there is a God I don't think he spends all his time laying evidence around for people that won't believe in it in the first place.
But I must tell you that is not something any man can prove to you. It's just not possible.
i wish i could find their names, but i cant seem to find them on google. these are some of the smartest dudes on earth. straight up. alot of my influence has come from their interpretation of the Bible.
but can you interpret context from 3,000 years ago
Originally posted by octotom
Christianity is the only religion in the name of Jesus. Jesus didn't say that there would be a religion that comes in his name, but rather that many would come saying that they were the Christ, denying that Jesus is the Christ. That is what the false religion will do in the future.
With this being the case, one could easily change the word testament to covenant when referring to the parts of the Bible--The Old Covenant and the New Covenant. The Old Covenant referring to the Mosaic Law the New Covenant referring back to the "New Covenant" that God promised to Jeremiah. Jesus also said that in his blood was the new covenant:
Matthew 26.28 (ESV) (cf. Mark 14.24 & Luke 22.20)Jesus speaking:
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Interesting that he said that he died for the forgiveness of sins--something that you've denied that Jesus did!
True biblical Christianity doesn't appeal to nations or political power. To say it does is a joke. If Christianity appealed to politicians, government would be much smoother in it's efficientcy and there would be no greed in the walls of Congress, Parliament, the Bundestag, or whatever. Politicians use Christianity in a wrong way to get votes. Just as some may say BHO used his herritage in a false, and half truthful way, to get votes.
2 Peter 2
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Talk to missionaries around the world and see if the closed nations they're working in find Christianity appealing. I know missionaries who have been stoned for preaching the Gospel.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Since Christianity can't be the false religion, as it doesn't deny Christ, than Paul can't be the figure that comes after. Look for someone in the future.
I want to see these Christians. Sure there have been things done in the name of Christ, but that doesn't make someone a Christian. I could go and kill and rape scores of people, in the name of Krishna, but that doesn't make me Hindu.
I, as a Christian, don't hate people that aren't. That would mean that I would have to hate you, badmedia, which I can honestly say I don't. I would have to hate 99% of the people that I see walking around in Germany, which I don't.
The actions of a few political Christians shouldn't be construed to mean that's what everyone believes. The Christians here in Germany are quite happy living the way that they do. They're patiently awaiting the return of Jesus, just as I, and thousands of other Christians are. That doesn't mean though that I'm happy when a government allows abortion, but I understand that since government isn't Christian, it's foolish to force my beliefs on them. All I can do is make my case and sit back and wait for Jesus to establish his kingdom in his time.
It is sad to me that there is a trend toward ecumenicalism. It is something that is needed to happen though before the lawless one can be revealed. One must stay alert and make sure his beliefs line up with Scripture.
I refer again to the missionaries that risk their lives in places like Iran, Iraq, and Nigeria. I know people who have been stoned. I know missionaries who have been executed. When I was in high school, I knew people who hated me because I was a Christian--and I hadn't done anything to make them hate me.
The fact that people as a whole haven't accepted Christianity--remember, including Catholics, it's only about 1/6th of the worlds population--it can't be the false religion that is run by Antichrist. Remember that people will be forced during that time to be a part of this religion--something Christians today don't do.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
No, it's not the exact same book. The Catholics added books in the 1500s. Catholics don't rely on the Bible as much [if at all] as I do. They follow the word of the Pope and what the Church and Catechisms tell them to do and believe.
Originally posted by octotom
Where in Scripture does it say that visions only happen to the people that they're happening to? It doesn't. It's not there. That is something that you've made up. Plenty of times in Scripture when a vision occurs, it physically happens. For example, Ezekiel was physically brought to the Millenial Temple. John physically experienced his visions in Revelation. Peter, James, and John all three, at the same time, saw Christ transfigure.
It's ironic to me that you're doubting Paul's testimony because others saw the light. Weren't you the one who said that the virgin birth couldn't be a sign because "virginity" isn't something that one can see?
6And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
in my op i did not clarify, i think, what it was i was getting at specifically. it is the commonly accepted interpretation of god and the dogma that has lined itself within the veils of christianity and other religions that can not be proven. And these must have some evidence of existance and truth before Jesus Christ can enter into the picture. It is the common interpretation of christians where I am quite sure that is an inaccurate version of the intended message. Again, my view of Christianity in todays form is a positive one. I know it has affected peoples lives on an inner level in a positive way. I have had discussions about Christianity with good friends. they have helped me to understand some of the messages that may have not made sense before. And growing up in christian schools and thinking I knew what was going on, it was a shocker and eye opener to learn different perspectives of the same teachings that I thought I once knew.
And Ill state again, i am not trying to disprove yours or anyones religion. I know I can raise questions here because most of the responders are sure enough in there beliefs where it will not affect them on any kind of personal level. I personally would not want to change anyones mind about there beliefs. thats why I think online discussion is an easier venue to raise these kinds of questions. It is in my humble opinion to eachs own. And in many instances religion and dogma should be encouraged in peoples lives.
But I still have my logic. and the common interpretation of christ and more importantly the christian version of "yahweh" is in my opinion an inaccurate one. i think they are missing the bigger picture.
there are a few theologians i would offer to take a loko at and review what they have to say about christianity as a whole and common doctrine within even the church (catholic). really interesting stuff. these guys have studiede the bible and what it says about everything for their whole lives. i wish i could find their names, but i cant seem to find them on google. these are some of the smartest dudes on earth. straight up. alot of my influence has come from their interpretation of the Bible.
I do agree, they are missing the bigger picture. As you can see in my 2 posts, it's not a matter of what you worship, but a matter of what choices you make and where they lead you. AKA you will reap what you sow. Others have called it Karma and have other ways to describe it, but the same basic principles.
Christianity is the religon about Jesus. I am more about the religion of Jesus. IE: I am more interested in the understanding and wisdom of Jesus, rather than worrying about having a cross around my neck and going to church and worshipping an idol. Does no good to give lip service.