Snuff films

I accidentally saw a snuff film in a coffeeshop in Holland. I thought it was a horror. Then, 15 minutes in, I worked out that it was real.

It was at least 20 years ago, and I still feel like it's polluted my mind. I can still see the terrible images of people being cut up alive.

It almost makes me cry. I hate that I saw those images. I've seen corpses and people dying in cars, but this was truly, truly horrific.

Why was a snuff film being shown in a coffeeshop?
Sounds very weird to me.

Originally posted by SniperEye
i used to have Snuff films on my computer but deleted it becuz i couldnt beleive they were on my HD when i'd try to go to sleep at night

you can download a ton off of Kazaa, just type in 'snuff'


i had one of a sicko executing a poor blonde woman that was crying her eyes out, he shot her with what looked like a 38 revolver

Also 2 russian terrorists killing hostages in the russian forrests, it showed one of the hostages get stabbed in the neck with a knife that looked like Rambo's


Its disturbing man, really is

The first one you mentioned is a fairly well distributed fake, a movie trick. The second one is real.

However, its not by definition a snuff film because it was not made to be sold for profit, nor is it commercially available. Its a film of a murder, no different than footage of Oswald being shot or war footage. Snuff becomes snuff when filming is the reason for the murder, not just a murder that happened to be filmed.

Some years ago (I think it was early 80's) my brother appeared with some horror videos he had borrowed. Most were just copies of existig movies (original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Werewolf etc). There was one cannibal one (either Ferox or Holcaust - they're the only names I remember) which looked very real. I remember saying then that I thought it was a snuff film. For years it was believed to be one, but recently it was debunked.

Yes, I believe they exist. If you realise that 'Faces of Death' and the 'Executions' movies are legal, you can imagine the depth of depravity some people will sink to in order to turn a profit.

I always find it interesting that the subject of Snuff films fascinates me (and a lot of members of this site obviously) so much. I believe that this is because the act is one of pure EVIL.
Despite our fascination with the subject, I think that I speak for 90% of the posters here when I say that I would NEVER actually want to see a real one. Of the remaining 10% that do, I can almost guarantee that almost all would regret seeing it.

A personal story...I'm a video producer and the video engineer that I work with was given a tape from a law enforcement agency to enhance. It was a botched drug bust where an officer was shot in the head at point blank range & killed. Despite my friend warning me of it's content, my curiousity won out and I watched anyway.
A surveillance camera was mounted underneath the dashboard in the car that the officer sat in, and the suspect opened the passenger side door which turned the lights on inside the vehicle. After a moment of struggle, the officer/agent was shot in the temple from only a few inches away. He made a gutteral moaning sound that trailed off, with a look in his eyes (if you put it into computer terms) like someone had pulled his plug without first powering down.
After seeing it, I was literally sick (and I'm a HUGE gory horror film fan) and I wished that I hadn't. The image had burned itself onto my brain, and I felt like I saw into the face of evil. Take the feeling you feel when you see the 9/11 video, Nazi death camp films, etc. and multiply that by 1,000.

As spoken in the film 9MM (which I feel is underated by the way), "There are things that you can't unsee. When you dance with the Devil, he doesn't change, the Devil changes you."

Homer,

"There are things that you can't unsee. When you dance with the Devil, he doesn't change, the Devil changes you."

Dude, that's so true.

Originally posted by Homer Jay
After seeing it, I was literally sick and I wished that I hadn't. The image had burned itself onto my brain

"There are things that you can't unsee. When you dance with the Devil, he doesn't change, the Devil changes you."

That sickness you describe is why some people crave products like that because they crave feelings that bring them to the edge. Although I've never tried it, I've heard you puke if the heroin is good. Yeah some people crave stuff that makes them puke - isn't the world wonderful.

So, there you had the opportunity to distribute a snuff video or anyone in the chain who had the video did too. That's probably how some come to be.

Many killings end up on tape and sometimes they end up getting distributed. How many films get made with that purpose in mind is probably pretty rare, but I have no doubt it happens.

Oh yeah, does anyone remember the movie "Wild at Heart"? Also staring Nicolas Cage, there was a scene where Harry Dean Stanton's character got executed in a ritualistic manner where a woman placed herself in a position where she would be soaked in the blood as soon as it left the victims body. While that was an awesome movie that part was particularly sicking.

BTW - off the main subject. The scariest movie I've ever seen is "Touching the Void" and if you want see something that will make you hold your breath - go see it.



[Edited on 3-5-2004 by outsider]

I remember reading in the local news maybe a week ago that a Toronto woman had been found in a ravine in Penn., in bondage gear, and was suspected of being killed in a snuff film.

I'll try to find the link.

Originally posted by parrhesia
I remember reading in the local news maybe a week ago that a Toronto woman had been found in a ravine in Penn., in bondage gear, and was suspected of being killed in a snuff film.

I'll try to find the link.

I ran across this, too. This is what I remember about it:

After she was found, the police tracked down the video guy she had a contract with. The police obtained a copy of the contract. According to the article I read, snuff films were specified as part of the contract. The video guy and his 29 year old assistant(?) have both been charged.

Snuff films are real and do happen.

There was a case not so long ago in South Africa where a girl went with a guy after clubbin and was raped and murdered. The guy was a drug addict and they filmed the entire murder. Left her body right outside of the house where they raped, killed and filmed her.

www.news24.com...

Apparently it is legal to own snuff movies only illegal to make them of course.

Another link:

www.arminm.com...

bit like aliens really , loads of people claim to have seen them ,some claim to know someone or some government agency that has some ,but no one seems to be able to come up with one !!!

Originally posted by glee

I ran across this, too. This is what I remember about it:

After she was found, the police tracked down the video guy she had a contract with. The police obtained a copy of the contract. According to the article I read, snuff films were specified as part of the contract. The video guy and his 29 year old assistant(?) have both been charged.

I hadn't heard that, glee.
Here's a link to an article:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by parrhesia

I hadn't heard that, glee.
Here's a link to an article:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Thanks parrhesia.

This was one of two articles I saw, but I can't find the other one. I just don't know what to think about this.

Originally posted by Homer Jay
Whether or not snuff films exist or have ever existed largely depends upon what your definition of a "Snuff Film" is.
If a video of a legit murder is made specifically for profit to be sold (a la 9mm), I would say that the probabilty of this is low if existent at all. However it would not surprise me at all if videos have been made by certain serial killers as a personal record. (Jeffrey Dahmer DID take polaroids...)
As far as being able to purchase them via some underground porno market...pure BS.

No way, dude. You can buy them for sure. You just have to know where to look that's all. They don't exactly have their own website or anything...


Mr. M

I won't watch faces of death, and have left a party because a friend of mine put it on. There is no chance I'll ever watch, or even try to find, snuff films.

The faces of death movies are all fake anyway.

Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
Apparently it is legal to own snuff movies only illegal to make them of course.

That's just messed up. :shk: "You can get your jollies off, which is the intent of 'the show', but let us know if you ever meet/catch the creator."

Too bad drug users don't have these same rights. ::spits::

Originally posted by Bangin

Too bad drug users don't have these same rights. ::spits::

Well, here in Illinois, it was illegal for a minor to purchase nicotine, it was illegal for someone else to purchase nicotine for a miner, but it was legal for a minor to possess nicotine. They changed that a few years ago, but still, why do laws allow you to keep something illegal as long as you're not buying or making it? At some point in time you had to have bought it, or else you stole it, which is illegal as well...

Well, here in Illinois, it was illegal for a minor to purchase nicotine, it was illegal for someone else to purchase nicotine for a miner, but it was legal for a minor to possess nicotine. They changed that a few years ago, but still, why do laws allow you to keep something illegal as long as you're not buying or making it? At some point in time you had to have bought it, or else you stole it, which is illegal as well...

While the law may not explicitly state possession of a snuff film is illegal, I'm certain it would be treated in the same manner as possession of child pornography if a legitimate case arose.

Back on topic: Does anyone feel that there is a high likelyhood that any potential "snuff industry" would exist within the same sphere of operation as child pornography? Anytime someone is busted for kiddy porn the news mentions an undefined "network" that the individual belongs too, but almost always you see a single person being arrested, not the operators of the vast network. Tieing into another topic on the board (missing persons) does anyone believe that the missing persons, child pornography, snuff films conspiracies are one and the same? That's certainly the outlook that I have on it. Once an adult or child is off the radar so to speak, who knows what happens to them? I'd love to hear other thoughts.

[Edited on 6-5-2004 by el_topo]

Originally posted by el_topo
Back on topic: Does anyone feel that there is a high likelyhood that any potential "snuff industry" would exist within the same sphere of operation as child pornography? Anytime someone is busted for kiddy porn the news mentions an undefined "network" that the individual belongs too, but almost always you see a single person being arrested, not the operators of the vast network. Tieing into another topic on the board (missing persons) does anyone believe that the missing persons, child pornography, snuff films conspiracies are one and the same? That's certainly the outlook that I have on it. Once an adult or child is off the radar so to speak, who knows what happens to them? I'd love to hear other thoughts.

[Edited on 6-5-2004 by el_topo]

You know, there have been thousands of arrests in the USA and abroad over the past year or eighteen months that have all been connected to the bust of the owners/operators of a billing service for child porn websites. I'll look for links, if you are interested.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some crossover. I doubt there is a one-to-one correspondence. Many of the children who have been victimized are never taken from their families or community. A lot of porn is produced by amateurs, including child porn, and many people who would sexually abuse a child would never kill them.

I know a little about this, as I was a victimized child, many years ago.

Originally posted by Pisky
Some years ago (I think it was early 80's) my brother appeared with some horror videos he had borrowed. Most were just copies of existig movies (original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Werewolf etc). There was one cannibal one (either Ferox or Holcaust - they're the only names I remember) which looked very real. I remember saying then that I thought it was a snuff film. For years it was believed to be one, but recently it was debunked.

Yes, I believe they exist. If you realise that 'Faces of Death' and the 'Executions' movies are legal, you can imagine the depth of depravity some people will sink to in order to turn a profit.

I think the movie you are talking about was called blood sucking freaks.. about a guy who ran a thing called the theatre macarbe, and he drilled into peoples heads in front of an audience, and cut off a ballerinas feet with a hacksaw etc, and in the end he was thrown in teh cage with all the women he held captived, the people who went to see his shows thought it was all illusion but he was really doing it..
(well in the movie he was really doing it at least) i am sure thast what it was called, blood sucking freaks..