Armed Revolution Not So Smart

I am not a pacifist, not even close but I see the long trend of wars, chaos and corruption and look to see who is funding and who is profiting. Follow the money trail and there you have the answer. I believe in our right to bear arms, but who actually wins?

In war there are only degrees of loss, no one actually wins, well except the powers that fund it, care for the injured and bury the dead.

War is a knee jerk reaction of angry masses, and the powers that be win either way.

They win if people are non-responsive by controlling the masses, then if the masses wake, get upset, over-react and run around shooting each other, they win also.

How?

The people in control don't care who is running the government, most of you already know it but forget it, like a case of amnesia. They win because they fund all the idiots shooting each other, whatever side, whatever war, whatever weapon.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild "

Really folks, without getting all emotional, and beating on your chest and screaming take back the country, why does it have to be with bloodshed?

A few at top will always control the masses, whether they are aware of it or not, because most people don't have awareness to govern themselves or at least believe they do.

Finally, I think the only way to actually win is not to play their games. It's like joining a team, if there are no players, no one can actually win or lose.




[edit on 12-5-2009 by Realtruth]

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I like your thoughts but please tell me how to accomplish this? The Money is controled by the rich elites, how can you compete when the own everything? How can you get 600 idiots who run the country to give up that power? Most Americans follow the money and follow whats popular, Hence Obamas election.

It is funny because I started a thread that directly answers the OP statements and provides the path I think it will take to achieve exactly what is described here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We are evolving all at the same time to over come this situation I think.

That's the problem even though they are the controller and pretty disorganized, they are more organized then the masses that keep the controllers ship a float.

People would truly have to become self sufficient and govern themselves. I am not sure this would happen because of all the red herrings that keep the masses pre-occupied. Example, mortgages, car loans, more material things, people aren't happy with what they have so the powers the control prey on this ego-centric mentality. The ego never has enough, and this ego is not you or the true you.

It's all about appealing to the ego and then you are controlled and owned.

I think the only way is for people to look within themselves for the answers, it's there, just buried.

Everyone's answer will be different and this is also what they rely on, and people's short sightedness to not consider the others POV.

Divide and Conquer.

There is an answer but people need to find it in themselves, not through others that they give their powers to so easily.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Realtruth

 

I like your thoughts but please tell me how to accomplish this? The Money is controled by the rich elites, how can you compete when the own everything? How can you get 600 idiots who run the country to give up that power? Most Americans follow the money and follow whats popular, Hence Obamas election.

Originally posted by Realtruth

Finally, I think the only way to actually win is not to play their games. It's like joining a team, if there are no players, no one can actually win or lose.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Realtruth]

That works in kickball and tic-tac-toe. Try not playing the government game and see how fast storm troopers come to kick in your door at 3AM to a)shoot you if they feel like it or b) toss you in prison.

All I've ever wanted was to not play the game. You can't not play the game. They will kill you if you don't play. It's like some sick Running Man sort of scam and we can't get out.


[edit on 12-5-2009 by thisguyrighthere]

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Not true there are many cases where people have not played the game and have won.

Life is a large game people choose everyday to play in, whether people want to believe it or not, it's a game. Some take it seriously, some not so seriously but everyone plays.

This list goes on and on, and so many other examples exist.

It only takes one case to set an example, but people are governed by fear and many years of conditioning.



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[edit on 12-5-2009 by Realtruth]

There will be no revolution in anycase because these calls are only limited to some fringe faction of 300,000 willing to do "something". A true revolution begins with a nationwide movement, across partisan, racial and religious lines, not limited to a self proclaimed faction mostly straddling one ideological geographic section. Revolutions dont begin with afew self proclaimed patriots who base their anger mostly on "socialism" and partisan bickering. In anycase the idea of an armed revolution by these individuals go based upon movies such as "red dawn" and "the patriot".

The realistic look to this is that its all talking heads behind computer screens over this "revolution", as it has been for months now. Nothings going to happen. The closest thing you'll get are more empty threats behind computer screens and references to your local fringe propaganda website. Come back a year and these individuals will still be talking.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]

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"revolution"

Widespread oppression and poverty is needed for that....we're not there yet. A good majority of people will have to start losing everything for it to happen.

Most people don't pay attention, don't have the time, or don't care about the happenings in the world.

The funny thing is...those are the ones who will flip out the most if it does get's worse...which it will.

Since people are now so dependent on government...government now HAS to step up. If it does not...it will pay the consequences with civil unrest.

my solution- Citizens should create a parallel currency and force the government to accept it for the payment of your taxes. Then protect this currency by enforcing 100% transparency on issuing the currency. Money is what you make them to be !

Only 3% of the population fought in the revolutionary war. Less than half of the country supported them.

However, today, no one except a small number are self reliant and therefore stop any real chances of a "true" revolution. The government has made it IMPOSSIBLE to live without an income, because they will kill you and take your land for "tax evasion" or they will just brand you a terrorist for defending your own property. It's not 1913 anymore, unfortunately everyone over the age of 40 failed to fix the country(let alone protect it)...and for two generations. It's too late.

The patriots died a quiet death in the early 1900's just like the samurai.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
Only 3% of the population fought in the revolutionary war. Less than half of the country supported them.

I explained this before and Ill explain this again. The 1700s were the great migrational era. The vast majority of the population that time consisted of new first generation immigrants still loyal to their mother tonge, still culturally english. Only a minority of americans at that time could account for having been here for generations. Today we have a nation over 90% multi-generaltional in population.

Different conditions, different circumstances. 3% dont have a say ony where the entire country goes. They dont speak for everybody. They aint the only patriots in this nation. You live with other americans, you know.

right.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
Only 3% of the population fought in the revolutionary war. Less than half of the country supported them.

I explained this before and Ill explain this again. The 1700s were the great migrational era. The vast majority of the population that time consisted of new first generation immigrants still loyal to their mother tonge, still culturally english. Only a minority of americans at that time could account for having been here for generations. Today we have a nation over 90% multi-generaltional in population.

Different conditions, different circumstances. 3% dont have a say ony where the entire country goes. They dont speak for everybody. They aint the only patriots in this nation. You live with other americans, you know.

right.

Wow! What arrogance and ignorance you display. The desire and quest for liberty has never changed. The psychology of humans has never changed. And when people of any nationality, culture, ideology or group discover their freedom has been usurped by an out of control, collectivist regime, people eventually get fed up. Obviously you are content with the status quo. You aint the the only patriot with thoughts and ideals you know.

Right.

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You have to play the game, or they throw you in prison. The only thing I want in life is to be left alone by the gov't. With property taxes, you are forced into the "game".

Sorry, but this country exists because of armed revolution.

I agree with you logic, but what happens over time taxes are not enough or to little so they raise them.

They raise them so high that farmer lose their land, people that work hard lose their land.

What people don't realize is land is free, it always was until people made agreements, then agreement were changed broken, exploited.

Taxes will never be enough because those in power don't know what the real world is like or soon forget. Kind of like a child in Disneyland.

They will never leave anyone alone, and the game changes to quickly for many.

Take for instance someone that works hard their whole life only to lose their land to high taxes when they retire. This is wrong, yes it's the laws, but they are not just laws.


You say "They" who is They?

It is the people that we give our power away to by agreement, by either doing or not doing.

We fear our own creation. And with that fear comes hiding, destroying or facing it head on. Awareness is needed at new levels.

I would like to see a Revolution, but not the typical one. One of brilliance instead of anger, fear, and reaction.

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by Realtruth

 

You have to play the game, or they throw you in prison. The only thing I want in life is to be left alone by the gov't. With property taxes, you are forced into the "game".

Sorry, but this country exists because of armed revolution.

[edit on 13-5-2009 by Realtruth]

Originally posted by Hazelnut
Wow! What arrogance and ignorance you display.

The arrogance here is afew "self proclaimed patriots" such as yourself, a small faction of population, thinking your the only ones who can speak for what the people of this nation want, that about 80% of the population dont have a say in this "revolution". Hypocrisy is it?

The desire and quest for liberty has never changed. The psychology of humans has never changed.

And this somehow justifies a small faction to decide on behalf of the people what they want? Get off it. You dont speak for the american people buddy, you speak for the far right fringe. When the majority of the american people speak, across cultural, religious and racial lines within this nation for revolution, thats when it will have. "Revolutions" do not start with disgruntled far right factions.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

You sound completely paranoid and terrified. Being out of control is like that. Rantings and ravings are little attempts to assuage your frightened and impotent self. Its ok. Don't worry, no one is asking you to do anything. Just sit back and instruct those without minds of their own. It'll be alright.

I like what you are thinking and trying to say Original Poster.

I think to do that you have to do to one of two things.

The first is the establishment of a new class of citizen or human being or person since all three have legal definitions under the current systems of laws that bind us all in slavery to the state.

This class of course would have to be called the Free Citizen which naturally everyone would want to be a part of and create one little problem by bringing along something from the old system that not everyone free would want to share and want to try to impose it on everyone or make being a Free Citizen all about being that one thing and in fact in so doing not make it any freer at all.

Whether it's a G-d, a Chevy or an Alice Cooper Record, or an All Vegetarian Menu that need to dominate is almost insatiable within human beings.

Defining freedom in this new class of Free Citizen might be just a wee bit problematic because of that.

If you could though and just get enough people to disconect and want no part of it at all.

They could probably collectively bargain or buy their way out of the system and develop a neutral terittory on it's own atonymous land mass declaring itself neutral and signing treaties not to interfere in the affairs of any of the societies bound in their universal common law of commerce based on slavery.

In other words we could off and develop our own society completely self dependent on the lands that we had acquired through the old system. To use only it's resources to develop the shelter and infrastracture and sustinance to pursue individual artistic, scientific, philosophical, spiritual, metaphysical, astronomical and scholarly peaceful existence where enough diversity existed that each persons productive output could be freely pooled for the shared welfare of all in that pursuit. Each person producing at least something that truly sustained and enhanced all the others rendered out of a simple sheer enjoyment and love of creating and providing that thing and the process.

I think such a society that formed itself in that way would be left alone as long as it promised not to meddle, spie, recruit, promote or broadcast into the slave commerce societies.

It would probably need to be an island, tropical of course, no airports, no communication lines to the outside world or way too. If by chance someone happened upon it in that way, wishing to live there in that fashion then they would be welcome to intergrate in such a pure chance happening.

Yet sadly it wouldn't still be free because as soon as children were born they would be forced to accept this Island and Way of Life never knowing that Budweisers, Pizza, Chilli Cheeseburgers, Nachos, Coca-Cola, Pool Halls, Strip Clubs, Casinos, Saturday Night Live and Football Games could be had for the taking elsewhere!

Now they would be slaves!

Alright so much for plan A.

We could always go back to plan B then.

Back to work you dogs! But your backs to it and row, row, row, come on now row, faster, faster or it will be the lash.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Funny how people from all walks of life from both sides of the political spectrum are beginning to jump on this.

Also funny how you get owned in every single topic you put your nose into.


You are just flat out wrong on everything you type

I went there.

Originally posted by xxpigxx
Funny how people from all walks of life from both sides of the political spectrum are beginning to jump on this.

Bush Republicans, conservatives and rightwing fringers? All walks of life? Tell me, of this movement, howmany individuals can account for being anything other than right of the political spectrum? Tell me, on April 15th, what did all the speakers have in common?

This is a fringe fest at best and it was further evident on april 15th with the Bush boys, fox news, the "conservative" signs and the "socialism" calls. On that day so-called ron paulers, former bushies and disgruntled conservatives walked hand in hand with fox. That day everybody saw what side or "political spectrum" this movement was being pushed by. Aint no different from the folks back in 2000, claiming the same thing, promoting the "average american" to office, the good ol' honest boy from texas. This aint any different.

Also funny how you get owned in every single topic you put your nose into.

What is this "owned"? How old are you now? Do you think this is all just some game? What is this? Are you going to continue to spend months muttering words behind the computer screen regarding this revolution? What happens in a year when you find yourself still talking? Will you then realize this is all a rightwing fringe sham with the real agenda being of election promotion? Kid you know nothing of what a real revolution is and by whom. Your looking in the wrong places.

Now I dont keep up on affairs in the UK. except what I read on here...

I wonder how many brittish could turn back the clock of the by gone days..

Hell,you have to be of age buying a #ing spoon,while on camera,and worrying about a cop beating your ass is you walk in the wrong direction..

# that,I will not let me,or my family be imprisoned by useless laws,cus in the name of safety..while silently it is to keep controll of the herd..

I suggest everyone look to the UK,that is the future of the US..Were allready under the thumb of a giant debt monster that is unstoppable with out actions...

Dont even say well elect the right men..thats a farce as we all know it,,

Why do you honestly think that men like Kennedy,MLk were shot??

To keep the herd from thinking for themselves,and not the country as a whole..
Get out of the little box of comfort,and think towards the future..