NWO is losing control over us

reply to post by dalan.

If the states declaring sovereignty were smart they would stop relying on the Federal Reserve dollar. Instead each of these sovereign states could print their own currencies from their own treasury departments...

That would actually be the wrong thing to do, at least from the standpoint of the states "declaring soveignty" because they want to get back to the Constitution. The reason for this is because the Constitution says that only the Congress is allowed to print money. So, instead of printing their own money, the states should be adovcating the dissolvle of the Federal Reservse.

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

I think that the appearance of the NWO "losing" could just be an illusion. The powers that be could simply make it seems that they're just losing their grip to lull people into a false sense of security and then--BLAM-O! The populous wouldn't know that hit 'em. Although, I personally echo the sentiments that previous posters have--that TPTB are just as strong as ever because not enough people are realizing what's going on and just doing what they're supposed to.

Originally posted by dalan.

There are roughly 6 billion people in this world

That was the beginning of this decade. It's nearly 7 billion now. Which just goes to show how effective the NWO's population reduction programme is

Every single second several more people are born and there are several more people for the increasingly ineffectual and desperate NWO to try and control.

They can't even control the USA let alone the rest of the planet!

As Comic Book Guy would put it: "Biggest bunch of losers. Ever"

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by dalan.

If the states declaring sovereignty were smart they would stop relying on the Federal Reserve dollar. Instead each of these sovereign states could print their own currencies from their own treasury departments...

That would actually be the wrong thing to do, at least from the standpoint of the states "declaring sovereignty" because they want to get back to the Constitution. The reason for this is because the Constitution says that only the Congress is allowed to print money. So, instead of printing their own money, the states should be advocating the dissolve of the Federal Reserve.

They could do that, but you can't trust Congress to not make the same mistake again of handing power over to a private bank.

Every State has their own State Constitution, they could make it Constitutional for their treasury departments to print currency that is representative of that State.

Wanna get rid of the Federal Reserve? Many people have been fighting to do just that, but we cannot rip away the vice grip that they have on our Federal Government.

The Fed would not be able to last if State Treasuries began printing their own interest-free currencies.


[edit on 5/12/2009 by dalan.]

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by dalan.

There are roughly 6 billion people in this world

That was the beginning of this decade. It's nearly 7 billion now. Which just goes to show how effective the NWO's population reduction programme is

Every single second several more people are born and there are several more people for the increasingly ineffectual and desperate NWO to try and control.

They can't even control the USA let alone the rest of the planet!

As Comic Book Guy would put it: "Biggest bunch of losers. Ever"

Wow...

Almost 7 billion that quickly?

Then perhaps it really is important for us to reform the way that we live.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by dalan.

 

If the states declaring sovereignty were smart they would stop relying on the Federal Reserve dollar. Instead each of these sovereign states could print their own currencies from their own treasury departments...

That would actually be the wrong thing to do, at least from the standpoint of the states "declaring soveignty" because they want to get back to the Constitution. The reason for this is because the Constitution says that only the Congress is allowed to print money. So, instead of printing their own money, the states should be adovcating the dissolvle of the Federal Reservse.

This is what the NWO/Federal Reserve Bank/Bank of America/NATO/Council on Foreign Relations fear the most, and We the People will take the American monetary system away from them, and when their assets are seized, including off shore accounts, that will be the end of them. Without full control of the economy they cannot exist...they make the money, back the money, trade the money, and charge interest on the money, and the bank gets all the profits while the investors and folks with money in their banks, supporting them in the short run pay all the interest on it. And the taxes on it. Now all dollars are borrowed dollars, make no mistake here. Every dollar in your pocket is borrowed from China, and other banking concerns. See, the banks never go broke, they are bound by their rules to help one another in times of need and support. The best business to have today is open a bank. And you are right about the States wanting to go back to the Constitution, for each State has a Constitution too, don't forget that. The States were all Sovereign Republics before the Civil War, after that the Federal Tyrants took over, and subjected the individual States to their control, a punishment for the Southern States seceding from the "union." A union is nothing but a group of Sovereign citizens that agree to live together in harmony, and make no deals in the future, like trade, or maybe a seceding movement. All former sovereign citizens were made into slave status, and marriage license came in because they didn't want blacks to marry whites. Black's Law, and the American Common Law was not taught in classrooms anymore, and the law the leaders wanted was British Admiralty Law, for it alone gave them ultimate power over the people, who are nothing more than a commodity. The Civil War is not over quite yet, gentlemen. We were just told it was. We were told a lot of things, which now are becoming like lies, more and more each day people know the truth, they wake up from the matrix.

Originally posted by thewind

A time is coming when, if you don;'t have a microchip in your body,

...you will not be able to instantly interface with photographic memory, seamlessly communicate with your loved ones, interface perfectly with the machine you are reading this on in more ways than you can imagine, be impervious to disease and aging thanks to the billions of such devices coursing through your veins allowing for more wisdom to be acquired than ever humanly possible, in addition to ever increasing intellect.

If you don't like this future, I'm sorry, but it's going to happen.

We not stop before we had seen victory, and we are truly free to think for ourself. Never Believe for a period then, we are dumb as iceblocks.

Their in only need a few on the top to control said states and a whole country. Instead this is for the only true men, who can see the clarity herein, these people are we to speak louder.

To the Internet.

The internet a robust playbook to play with, to get our toughts out of our heads, and socialize songs like birds, now we are no longer force in the sense to any action. We are occupied to get our thoughts out, to strive and get something done, are the real value.

This is not a no over night issue that to get rid off and vanishes overnight, it's a thing that took place ihundreds of years ago and been followed ever since.

Today in the 21century are we living in FEAR in todays society to even speak up about our thoughts, for we are not allowed to have an opinion any less, tell people that they don't understand and their whole life in the sense of politics and news have been a destructive process to control their thoughs. Along with the help of religion and socialism we became not one.

We have been taught to fit all, and follow like bunch of gnus down to a creek to get our water. we Live life on other peoples terms, simply put.

We are not open minded to improvements, and we fear what we dearly wants because we bunddle everything in to general terms. One example being Free speech.

This because the regular day dreamer have the belief we truly have some kind of control of our life. Along comes the fear to me and many others who are in the in like munkey66.

Now think about this, NWO could do is let a few NWO's in on this forum, and keep our heads occupied to the point that we get washed away from action, and stay here just like act paralyzed ATS members.

A good way to get us is bring up something like what the tread starter just did.

I hope these members herein see who and what and really see this, wake up for otherwise we all see our lives to get destroyed infront of our eyes along with our friends and families lives to walk a slow disturbing mentalstate.

Are you going to sit back, and do nothing?

There's been a few reveloutions during the 300 years behind us. One being the car, another the Internet, then we also had some brutal wars, that caused lives and pleny but that was necessary for the good.

Be true to yourself, don't let them eat your mind. A few of us have to be true to ourself and to course, and sacrifies our own well being, to help others who aren't as aware as we are.

But how will you get them to listen, only you know.

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

 

As much as I would like to believe what you posted, It is just foolish to think in such a way.

Most of us are in panic now: Bird Flu, Swine Flu, economic collapse, global warming, wars

who do you think is behind this?
people ran to the chemist for their tamiflu just as expected.
people are already thinking this crisis is over because they saw it on MSN as expected.
try and deny global warming and you are treated like a mental patient.
wars and war on terror are all part of the plan. keep you frightened and looking for an end.
Do you honestly think a group of people who have been planning this for generations are suddenly going to just sit back and say "we lost"?

This thread is misleading and dangerous, even if you think they are losing the battle I will remind people
"A wounded animal is the most dangerous when cornered."

Originally posted by thewind
The nwo is losing control over us???

Sorry, but I beg to differ there! If they lost control, then why did all those people in new york city and other places stand in line and take their vaccines like the good little sheep were told to do? And why are the american people still sitting on thei

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Namness]

Originally posted by Edrick
The main reason that they are losing control over us is that they never really understood anything about humanity, or life, or reality as a whole.

Sure, they have their theories, their calculations and formulas, their computations and psychohistory predictions of humanity as quanta.

But that does not mean that is what reality is.

-Edrick

Sure they have their theories, calculations and everything. But...What do you have???

And... please enlighten me what reality is then. You feel as NWO can't control people by propaganda and mass manipulation?

Seems like you are grasping for air to prove your point right. Were are your evidence along with everyone elses here claiming that "!people are waking up"

Empty words and claims without thinking it through. What are you seeing, that I and a few others don't see here (in majority of people terms speaking)

--- put it in to words so I can understand you, and if you cant then please don't make claims above own head.

As I see yours and others comments here, I ask myself. Is this Wishful thoughts???

Prove me wrong and back up your claim. Of what I know, this has been going on for over 100 years, some of here digg a lot deeper on facts than others. When you and the OP get to conclusions to quickly, others put a lot of hours in to resarch and are always questioning things with critical thoughts during obeservation on society and political figures.

"Are People waking up"

I think this is a more suitable question to start a conversation with.



[edit on 12-5-2009 by Namness]

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Namness]

reply to post by Namness

Sure they have their theories, calculations and everything. But...What do you have???

And... please enlighten me what reality is then. You feel as NWO can't control people by propaganda and mass manipulation?

Seems like you are grasping for air to prove your point right. Were are your evidence along with everyone elses here claiming that "!people are waking up"

Empty words and claims without thinking it through. What are you seeing, that I and a few others don't see here (in majority of people terms speaking)

Wow... it never fails, You have a thread about the NWO, and people attack it shouting PROVE IT!

What proof would you accept, really?

I don't like arguing with people who watch the world as it falls apart, who see the signs of a control grip being placed over their heads and ask for "Proof"

You post on this forum, and you do not believe any of it?


Seriously... what, short of a signed confession of the very people pulling the strings would you accept as proof?


If you have some specific questions to ask, then by all means... but I'm not going to respond to your Condescension.


Here is a Primer:

And for the love of GOD... Read it all if you want to comment on this.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

"Are People waking up"

Yes.

-Edrick

[edit on 13-5-2009 by Edrick]

reply to post by thewind

Behind every creation there is a creator, and you yourself have said that there is indeed a wizard amongst us! So, who is he, or she?

I was using the Wizard of Oz reference as a metaphor for the power elite that control society through their Financial institutions, Behind the "Curtain" of Mass media.

You answered your own question.

-Edrick

reply to post by Namness


Ok, I reread your post, and I am embarrassed to say that I entirely missed the point of your query.

I shall now answer the ACTUAL questions that you asked.

Sure they have their theories, calculations and everything. But...What do you have???

Observations and logical assertions about the nature of reality that is being seriously misrepresented by the narrow mindedness of the "Tool Specific" theories of Scientific understanding of the universe...

And... please enlighten me what reality is then. You feel as NWO can't control people by propaganda and mass manipulation?

Science would seem to indicate that reality is quantifiable, and divisible.

That there are distinct parts, quanta, bits, particles, chunks, etc, etc, etc...

This is a byproduct of HOW we (Science) goes about trying to find out things about the world.

Take for example the Wave-Particle Duality.

The "Photons" travels through the slits, and they interfere with each other in a wavelike fashion.

But, they are absorbed in necessarily discreet "Sizes" of energy called "Quanta"

Therefore, scientists would postulate a particle-wave duality of light.

This is missing a very important aspect of wave nature, and that is the aspect of their transmission, and absorption.

Such as a wave that breaks over a high cliff.

It would take a certain amount of energy to spill over the cliff, and the pool on the other side would only be able to hold so much, the rest spilling over (in this manner as heat energy)

What I was getting at, is the inherent fallibility of the "Particle" nature of reality.

I was referring to the "Wave" nature of reality, and as the "Particle" nature as merely a byproduct of HOW we observe these manifestations.

(If you wish me to clarify any point, please just ask)

Seems like you are grasping for air to prove your point right. Were are your evidence along with everyone elses here claiming that "!people are waking up"

All things considered.... A critical mass of people waking up to the "Cage" that they are living in is all that is really required to break the chains.

Are you asking me how I know that people are waking up?

Very well, I will answer that.

Typically, the plans of the NWO would move through government legislation without even a whimper... passed in secret (Relatively) while the rest of the people are distracted by other means (Mass Media)

Tell you the truth, the failure of newspapers that is CLEARLY demonstrable is proof towards this end.

People are waking up to the inherent fallacy of the Mass media establishments.

Same is true for television...

IF you research some on the new internet video phenomenon (TV on the internet without going through TV companies, broadcast companies, etc) means that these traditional (and compromised) institutions are failing (or failing to make money, which is about the same thing)

As I see yours and others comments here, I ask myself. Is this Wishful thoughts???

No, not really... It may seem that way, but I (can't speak for others) have been researching this for some time now, and I see very important changes on the horizon.

The collapse of the US (and Global) financial state is one of the primary pointers for this happening.

The NWO has used (Through the FED) the Dollars Global reserve status to maintain some control over the financial markets of the world.

The recent collapse of the dollar, and also the increasing inflation OF the dollar has pushed some other countries to the absolute breaking point against the dollar.

Many (MANY) countries that buy Treasury bills from the US have ceased purchase, and begun to sell these off, pretty much ending the predominant reign of the dollar and the FED as the financial control system of the elite.

The mass sell off in about September and October of 08 should be the primary indication of this.

People are actually beginning to question their leaders (En Mass) and the questions are actually REALLY penetrating, and well thought out.

So, anyways... please disregard my previous reply to your post, as it was inaccurate, and I just plain jumped the gun...

THIS is the real reply, and if you have any more specific questions on what I mean, feel free to ask.

-Edrick

I doubt it. I honestly think the global elite are the ones celebrating. I believe the majority of people are still don't know what the NWO is or are in denial about it. Then there are the people who are aware of the NWO but think it has no effect on their everyday lives.

I try to inform my family about the NWO, they all pretend to be interested but I know they don't give a sht. I don't even bother telling my friends because they would honestly think I'm a nut. My mum for instance, I asked her if she had any idea on what it is. She said no. I told her as simply as I could. I told her it's about a small group of people in this world who are very rich and very powerful. So rich and powerful they are able to control the media and in turn manipulate the way you think. Their goal is to ultimately plant chips in everyone that contains all your personal information as well as contain your personal funds which means they will be in control of your life.

She then said OK and then asked me if I could download the movie Marley & Me. WTF? I'm going to make her watch this movie. If she refuses she can go get fked. I'm not going to bother helping people understand if they refuse to listen to me.

video.google.com...




[edit on 13-5-2009 by tim1989]

Originally posted by kiwifoot
I hear you friend, and agree. I do however feel that we have a responsibility to tell others, to wake others up. We need to do it carefuly, to be sensitive, but we need to none the less.

Good post, nice to see some positivity!

Kiwifoot

Indeed, we can only save those, who want to be saved. And many people out there would rather stay asleep and in blissful ignorance.




[edit on 17-5-2009 by Spooky Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by tim1989If she refuses she can go get fked. I'm not going to bother helping people understand if they refuse to listen to me.

video.google.com...
[edit on 13-5-2009 by tim1989]

I guess it's likewise for us all.

Even more so if we have been brought up in a socialism fashion. In here being suitable and listen are of more importance than being well off and understand our sourroundings through knowledge.

I can relate to your story. And I believe most here can, because the majority rather wash things off when something threatens their core belief they have had for 20-30 and even sometimes 40 years or longer.

We have to realize we cant change all everyone unless they change themself and, we give them time to grasp our knowledge, and this is such a big thing for them that they use their filter to delete everything they just heard in a few seconds.

They want to live life on their terms, not on what is real reality.

What this means is they trust our power, and we have to give them little clues over a period of time, not just give of our knowledge about NWO in a 1-minute rant.

If we study, we wknow it sometimes can take wide time to grasp concepts. Sometimes months, or even year!

My understanding is that most times we cant change opinions, we have too little time for discussion.

We have to find the most fit, and give them the time instead. teaching high educated folks our knowledge, and the one most likely to listen, than spending time with our parents, in where we already have set a certain family role.

It's infact easier to change the world, than to change all human beings opinions.

But we have to accept that we will not become this super hero that are portraited in hollywood movies. 'Instead someone, that works alone in the background in society our in a small group with likeminded thinkers.

Politics are and will always be a great fazad for what is the real world.

Action and doing is the best weapon to get somewhere, not debating things with men/women less off then ourselves.

But that's how it's portraited trhough out society, through politics and through out our school system.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by Namness]

Hi Edrick.

I'm intrested in this, as I've thought along if there's something in nature that could measure how we human beings think around things.

But, could this science work both ways?
Being both good and bad for us.

As I've read this definition of divisible, it means that we could see parts without getting the it or forget a sum.

Logic To limit the variables of (a proposition) by prefixing an operator such as all or some

-quantifiable

This mean to me that we are not very concerned about details all the time, and rather make conclusions beforehand, without knowing all this details.

Originally posted by Edrick

Science would seem to indicate that reality is quantifiable, and divisible.

That there are distinct parts, quanta, bits, particles, chunks, etc, etc, etc...

Originally posted by Edrick
Such as a wave that breaks over a high cliff.

It would take a certain amount of energy to spill over the cliff, and the pool on the other side would only be able to hold so much, the rest spilling over (in this manner as heat energy)

Now what will this mean to me as a human being? If the waves are big(too much information) will it lead me to, as I get a mental break down, something like, hallicunacions, psychosis ?

Originally posted by Edrick
I was referring to the "Wave" nature of reality, and as the "Particle" nature as merely a byproduct of HOW we observe these manifestations.

So what are your arguement around, and conclusion with the "Wave", that we as human beings are good at ereasing data we don't like or have experience of?

If this is the case, it could work for us for some time but sooner or later we get to an emotional state when we can't handle it anymore.

Originally posted by Edrick(If you wish me to clarify any point, please just ask)

Yes, what are conclusions with this knowledge and relation to human beings adn waves.

I settle your last comment towards me, all but this wave/science parts.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by Namness]

reply to post by Namness


Ooookay... Im going to get REAL specific here... and I hop that I get my point across.

I'm intrested in this, as I've thought along if there's something in nature that could measure how we human beings think around things.

But, could this science work both ways?
Being both good and bad for us.

As I've read this definition of divisible, it means that we could see parts without getting the it or forget a sum.

Logic To limit the variables of (a proposition) by prefixing an operator such as all or some

-quantifiable

This mean to me that we are not very concerned about details all the time, and rather make conclusions beforehand, without knowing all this details.

I was more pointing out the inherant nature of reality as a whole.

In that human beings are nt individual entities, they merely appear/Percieve themselves to be that way.

Look up the "Hundredth Monkey" effect... that should let you know what I am talking about.


An abstract fr this understanding is if you placed a completely flat plane (imaginary 2 dimensional plane) over the ocean, to a height of 2 inches.

Some of the water (waves) would be ABOVE the plane, but most would be BELOW the plane.

Our perceptions of reality work in much the same way.

We can nly see the crests of the waves (people, objects, planets) but the reality is these are merely perceptual parts of a mre complete whole.

The illuminati's calculations treat people as indipendant (or interdependant) enteties, where they are not seperate in any sense but perception.


Telepathy is what I am getting at.. but not as we would know it... more of an instinctual knowledge of our inherant connection.


Take anouther example.

How many division lines can you draw in a circle?

The answer is... Infinity, because these lines of division are merely perceptual abstractions that have no concrete basis in reality, and are merely "Added" like a transparency over reality as a whole.

This is one of the problems with science...

They are looking FOR particles to explain how reality works, and as with the wave(ocean) analogy... they will SEE particles.

IT is how we have built our tools, really...

We build them to measure discreet quantities, when the only thing we are measuring is our own perceptions.

Now what will this mean to me as a human being? If the waves are big(too much information) will it lead me to, as I get a mental break down, something like, hallicunacions, psychosis ?

That was really a metaphore for how incomplete our scientific observatinal paradigm is...

I was not referring to "Information overload", but the inability of our scientific establishment to realize the inherant "Singularity" of existance, as observed through a limited filter f 5 sences, and 3(or 4) dimensions.

Reality is more complex than we can observe.... therefore, WE are more complex than we can observe.

So what are your arguement around, and conclusion with the "Wave", that we as human beings are good at ereasing data we don't like or have experience of?

If this is the case, it could work for us for some time but sooner or later we get to an emotional state when we can't handle it anymore.

The basis f my theory, is that f BALANCE.

When the Illuminati attempt t control, they are trying to control the very fabric of reality that COMPRISES them, like they believe that they are seperate from that which they are trying to control.

This is why their system will not work, they are trying to manipulate a system that in fact... Does not exist, except in their own minds.


I do enjoy talking about this perspective, please... don't hesitate to ask more questions...

I love answering them

-Edrick

The connection between the Federal Reserve and the sovereignity (sp?) of the states is really simple.

ONE state just has to come public and say "we don't face the Federal Reserve as a valid institution. They print money out of nothing with no face value, so we are not obliged to recognise them as any kind of authority, public or private. The numbers they say we owe them can only be proved by them, because we never saw that money, or a valid back-up to them. It's basically "He said I said this or that". As of that, we don't owe them a single cent from this precise moment on."

If only ONE state governor comes out and says this, you'll see a MASS withdrawal from the Federal Reserve system. And they will fall. It's as easy as it gets.

Just like here between, for instance, Portugal, and the European Central Bank, or the IMF, or the World Bank. But here it's more difficult. We don't have a Ron Paul-like figure to put the rest of the bunch in line. And my people are asleep as hell. It's being VERY VERY difficult to spring some consciousness over here.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by Toorop]

The NWO are elite narcissistic dysfunctional greedy people who probably can barely keep their lives in order no less attempt to control everyone else.

I have said before that I feel they have no understanding of human behavior and this will destroy them.

Plus, they are getting old (many of them) and have no one to pass the torch down to. Their offspring are most likely late stage hedonists who can't be bothered to care.

They have accomplished a few things and may accomplish more, but the world is too unruly and too big to control with their methods that are grandiose and delusional.

Plus, they are way behind in their plans and will get further behind. It isn't helping them that some are being cherry picked by assassins and seem to be disappearing! (Youtube? - I forget)