TA-THREATS: Stolen Rheocrete & Stolen Tanker Truck & Stolen Ammonium Nitrate & Missing Fuel Rods

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
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One of the most senior figures in the al Qa'eda terror group has pledged that 2004 will be a year of attacks on America.

They are going to be playing catch-up. Its 5 months into 2004

Heres the exact info on the missing tanker trailer,

TK described the missing equipment as a light-colored aluminum trailer (T-118) marked left and right sides with the name "TK Transport" in large green letters. It's a four-compartment tank with air-ride suspension. Its serial number is 1H4T04320GK014902. At the time it was stolen, it had a New Jersey license plate, T852SC, and New Jersey motor or fuel tag 15148.

Vizi said the vehicle disappeared from the parking lot at the TK Transport Terminal in Pennsauken between April 7 and 10.

Pennsauken Police Capt. Earl Griffin said it was a few days before workers at the facility realized it was gone. He said the tank trailer, which had recently been refurbished, was empty at the time of the disappearance.

Vizi said this particular trailer did not have a valid federal inspection sticker, which would prevent it from being filled at any legitimate supply depot. Authorities noted that the same company has other trucks on the road but urged anyone with information to call their local 9-1-1 emergency dispatcher, the State Police, the FBI, the New Jersey Office of Counterterrorism or TK Transport's office at (856) 661-0600.

O.K., let�s all just calm down a minute here. I think you are getting worked up over nothing.

First off, the Rheocrete. To begin with this is a 46% aqueous solution. This means that that at the very least, it would be very hard to mix this with an organic based fuel.

As it states in the MSDS, this is NOT an oxidizer.

It is true that nitrates can be toxic if ingested, but I think that it would be rather difficult to get this chemical into the food and water supply without detection.

Now, as to the fuel rod issue. Having had some experience in auditing waste management system in one of these types of facilities, I can tell you that this will turn out to be a paperwork failure somewhere. Somewhere, someone failed to properly record, or file a material transfer or made an arithmetic error in tracking quantities. The amount of paper that is used to track each piece of fuel is enormous, and unfortunately it is all too common for the records to get screwed up along the way.

If you read the article about the missing rod you will see how they are talking about using a remote camera to look for it in the holding area. Why is this? Because the holding area is too hot to enter in person. Furthermore, there are radiation detectors all over the place. And all of the personnel are also equipped with personal dosimeters. There is just no way that Homer �A. Queda� Simpson could just throw a fuel rod in his �gym bag� and walk out of the plant without it being noticed. The amount of shielding necessary would be in the hundreds of pounds, therefore making it even more difficult to move the material.

Finally, as it has been pointed out, even if you were to make a �dirty� bomb, It would still be difficult to significantly impact a large area. Granted the economic and psychological blow would be big, but the environmental damage could be easily managed.

Originally posted by HowardRoark Finally, as it has been pointed out, even if you were to make a �dirty� bomb, It would still be difficult to significantly impact a large area. Granted the economic and psychological blow would be big, but the environmental damage could be easily managed.

We have several people tracking down details. Some of the possibilities are, at least alarming. There are two indications that we've discovered that deserve deeper digging. Yeah, rheocrete is not someone's top choice for bomb-making. But using for a giant pipe-bomb in the missing tanker truck is a real possibility given the advice of two chemists we've contacted (preliminary info, more coming later). The big factor is in what form was the stolen rheocrete? Second, one PhD chemist we've contacted has suggested that an explosion with rheocrete may produce a "sticky cloud" which would be perfect for a dirty bomb. Again, this is preliminary, we need to confirm with other experts, and we're continuing to dig deeper. Now, you're right. Even if all this is combined, the resulting ka-bomb and radiation is nothing to hoard Potassium Iodide over. But, the right explosion in the right place could cause havoc, even with few casualties. Port Elizabeth (in New Jersey) is a massively active seaport on which most of the north east U.S. relies. Disabling this seaport would be catastrophic, and a cloud of radioactive dust just might be enough to do it. Most of the country never saw the local news reports here about the horrible security in the numerous chemical plants and storage facilities throughout New Jersey. The features were on local news just about a year ago, and it seems as nothing much as been done.

Here are two of the "issues" SO refers to.

Note that the report on this stuff stated 3000 POUNDS. Yes, Rheocrete CNI comes in a liquid form and this is considered a "non-oxidizing liquid"...BUT, nobody in their right mind, or even in their wrong mind reports a liquid in pounds.

Remember, we can't even blame a stupid media person for that. They have to get their info from

1. the company that got robbed
2. or the police report which comes from 1.

And, like I said, nobody dealing with liquid is going to report xxx lbs. So we are left with deducing that this was "drymix" (which is basically calcium nitrite).

Okay, here is a portion of the MSDS sheet on Rheocrete CNI which has previously been overlooked:



SO..we're back to the deduction that drymix that IS AN OXIDIZER has come up missing.

Could this be related to the same group of investors that bought the WTC...and collected the insurance when they collapsed?
and the same group of investors recently bought the Sears Towers?

Inquiring minds would like to know?

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall]

Oh dammit I did it again! I accidentally hit edit instead of reply! OH MY GERSH!

Please try to remember what you said here...it was about "act of war" and no insurance. I'M SORRY!

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall]

Why bother to steal a truck?

with a hundred thousand $s to play with, it would be absurdly easy to set up a fake company, open a commercial bank account and just buy one for about 20,000. hell, I bet you could even find someone willing to sell one for cash somewhere.

Or buy a tank.
tanksforsale.co.uk

If I'm not mistaken a "group" of investors purchased WTC weeks before the Act.

Sears Tower Purchased

How true...I don't know.

Could it be possible, that all these events are related to "Red Cell/SEAL Team-6" style operations. Testing the DHLS for reaction and prevention capability? Just a thought, since no one posted that idea yet.

And then we have our "Hazardous Combinations of Substances" list...find calcium nitrite.

www.wau.nl...

I realize it was an act of war and I also know that this is a money minded society with people reaping masses amounts of $$$ off the tragedy...not only the WTC tragedy..but many before it and many to come.

Originally posted by Valhall
Note that the report on this stuff stated 3000 POUNDS.
. . . So we are left with deducing that this was "drymix" (which is basically calcium nitrite).

1. Where did you get the data for 3000 lbs? When I checked the source of the news, it clearly states 3300 gallons.
   
   
2. When I checked the source for the MSDS, it clearly states that the product is sold in liquid form, either in containers or bulk delivery. If the product is sold as a "drymix" as you claim, then it will need a MSDS sheet for that particular product.
   
   
   
   [Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall] excuse me - i'm an idiot.
   
   [Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall]

Everybody knows ammonium nitrate + fuel oil makes a big ol bomb.

What would rheocrete, supposing it were milled to a fine powder do, if similarly mixed with hydrocarbon fuel?

it is an oxidizer and has nitrates. Fuel is combustible.

Oxidizer + fuel mixed in one. Hmm......

Rheocrete is 30% calcium nitrite / 70% water. Presumably the water would have to be eliminated. And "hydrated calcium nitrate" (rheocrete) has a different MSDS number!!!!

It is Ca(NO2)_2

About the "Calcium Nitrite Solution" (rheocrete) from a MSDS....

"If allowed to evaporate to dryness, the residue may act as an oxidizer to initiate and sustain the combustion of flammable materials."


hydrated calcium nitrite is 10031-34-2

calcium nitrate is 13780-06-8

Anybody a physical chemist here?

Valhall, another question for your explosives expert comes to mind as I remmember your earlier posts on the missing 13,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and the fact that calcium nitrate requires high heat/pressure to become an oxidant.

Could it be possible to build an enhanced ammoniun nitrate bomb by using dry calcium/methanol mix at center, would the resultant explosion be greater in intensity, poisonous or produce the oily cloud refered to in earlier postings?

Just curious because the typical 18 wheeler can legally carry about 70,000 to 80,000 pounds of weight as payload, so I was thinking there may be more to the mix so to speak, other than just the 3300 pounds of calcium nitrate.

Rheocrete is Calcium Nitrate, not Ammonium Nitrate...
ammonium is NH4.... Rheocrete, to my knowledge, doesnt involve hydrogen, and producing NH3 (ammonia) is very tricky, see the Haber process.. Germany had to invent that in world war 1 as a supply for their munitions.
Oil is quoted in tonnes, why not another solution as well?

mbkennel - I think it would be rather difficult to drive all of the water out of 3300 gallons of solution. It would take a long time and you would never get it perfectly dry unless you had an oven to dry it.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Valhall
Note that the report on this stuff stated 3000 POUNDS.
. . . So we are left with deducing that this was "drymix" (which is basically calcium nitrite).

1. Where did you get the data for 3000 lbs? When I checked the source of the news, it clearly states 3300 gallons.
   
   
2. When I checked the source for the MSDS, it clearly states that the product is sold in liquid form, either in containers or bulk delivery. If the product is sold as a "drymix" as you claim, then it will need a MSDS sheet for that particular product.
   
   Well, I would say that it has been changed. For PETE SAKE! That makes a lot of difference, because the liquid is pretty much about as hazardous as water unless you can "nitrate" it.
   
   (and I'm not going to argue the dry versus liquid - if it couldn't be in dry form the MSDS wouldn't talk about it) BUT my comments were based on the POUNDS - now the pounds are gone!!! piffle.
   
   Well, if that's the case, then the New York news channel is full of horse-hockey.

Originally posted by Valhall

Well, if that's the case, then the New York news channel is full of horse-hockey.

Did you just figure this out?

Seriously (and to avoid a one line response ), when dealing with technical issues, I rarely accept anything released by the general media at face value. Let�s face it, science is not their thing.

Back to the issue, I wonder if the police are checking into if there are any big concrete construction jobs going on right now. Maybe a contractor figured he could make a little more profit by not paying for an additive he was being required to use.