Originally posted by MatrixProphet
I have had the experience as I mentioned in my OP of "sensing" a shift in my life, one that was very pronounced. The Gods shifted me from one
reality to another. They wanted me to sense it so I could distinguish the difference. In this case, it had nothing to do with my free will as I am
aware of the difference. This was quite different.
Well, I can only relate that I remember the specific day when I "woke up", the specific time when I started to gain understanding beyond the literal
and so forth. That was very much like a shift, my entire perspective on things changed completely. I see things completely different, but my eyes
still see the same things. I can see how that can be likened to a shift in reality.
Yes, unless the choice is forced on you. Here is my experience in spirituality: the more spiritual one becomes, the less free will that one has. This
is difficult to explain except that; it becomes much more difficult to make inappropriate choices. The outcome can far outweigh the level of the
mistake. When I was spiritually young the results were different and softer, whereas, now, many years later, it is never worth the choice that isn't
healthy, as the result is always far worse.
The more dysfunctional I used to be - the less the consequences affected me on a God related level. I had much more free will. The more I evolved -
I have not lost any free will, at all. But my will has changed for sure. I don't do the same things I did as a child, but I also don't want to
either. I "gave up my will", but it was not taken. Instead, I was given understanding which changed my will to what it is. A matter of
perspective I guess.
Yes, although I am really speaking of those with inherited defects in character or genetics. Inherent faults in the DNA and not so much performance
driven faults. I do not believe that we can perform our way into spirituality or righteousness. So it is not a matter to me about doing the right
things as much as it is knowing what is right and living the best that one can do under the bonds of being human.
Another words: knowing our character defects and assets so as to not live in denial nor be victims, which divides us from God. This is where there is
a tremendous division between spirituality and the bondage to religion.
I do not think of these things as that person. What divides us from god is IMO associating these kinds of things, and this physical as being
ourselves, rather than god. As we associate these defects and so forth as being ourselves, then we see ourselves as being things which are not of
god, not perfect and so forth. I see these things as defining the experience, of which we are to learn and overcome. And you can do that when
you realize what you truly are(god), but you can not do that if you associate those things as being a definition of "you". Those defects go away
at death, because they are part of the experience, not you. How you deal with that experience will be what defines "you" and what your true
It is easy for us to dwell on such defects. And people will gladly point at the them for you, and tell you that you are those things. I'm sure you
know "what is your greatest fear?". If not I'll post it, cuz it's great.
Like the movie waking life, it's not the colors your given that matters, it's what you do with those colors. A flat landscape is dull and boring,
the most jagged and rough mountains often make the best paintings and views. It's those imperfections that make people unique. 6 billion of the
same painting is no more exciting than 1 of the painting, unless you are selling them for $100 a pop.
I am using the experiment illustration to show that there are so many variables to consider. I myself actually believe that there is a universal Game
of sorts going on amongst the Gods, and is one for us to decipher its meaning. How do we fit? Why are we here? Why do the Gods allow for so much
sorrow and pain? Much of this can be answered if we turn the box inside out and attempt to view them in a different light.
I like experience also. Yes, I do feel that a lot of what involves us and the Gods relates to lack of experience, or a learning experience, at the
very least. History would seem to support me in this.
I can create an experiment with a program, and that experiment can run and then give me the results without me doing anything. I can not program an
experience without including a consciousness. This is the main reason I abandoned trying to create AI. Not because it's not possible, but because
it can not evolve past the artificial stage without acquiring consciousness, of which logic can not create. I can create a if this happens, then feel
this way logic all day long, but there is no logic that can create the actual feeling itself.
And it doesn't matter how advanced a race of beings gets, you can not get around this. Consciousness is god, and if you are conscious then you are
god. It would take an act of god to get consciousness into such a thing, and if these beings created all these universes, it was done based on
logic, and thus to get consciousness into it, requires and act of god, or an act of giving away ones free will. In my AI, the only way I could
give it consciousness would be to somehow transport my consciousness into it.
And this btw is something that is well known among those who work on AI, and they are trying to actually develop ways of doing exactly what I talk
about, into an electrical brain. Where the programming and such works on the same principles as a brain, and performs those kinds of
functions(although the idea is that it can forever be repaired and upgraded), but your consciousness is put into it.
Without the consciousness, it will forever be "artificial intelligence", which is not actually intelligence at all, but mimicks intelligence based
on the logic(which is created by real intelligence) gave to it. While it is artifical, it will be able to do many things better and faster than
humans, and perform many of great tasks. But it will never be able to know what it means to be, it will be bound only to the logic given to it by
the programmer, thus completely devoid of free will and so forth. If programmed well, you would NOT be able to tell the difference between it and a
real person. But it will not have a soul, it will not have consciousness and it is nothing more than a very complex group of patterns.
Your body and the way it functions is like this. It comes from the dust of the earth, from logic and follows the laws of creation. All of it
follows logic and so forth. But the consciousness is different.
So if they created all the universes and such, then they would still have to at one point or another put their own consciousness into it. Otherwise,
it is "dead", and you might as well be running a bunch of numbers across your PC while you sleep.
I am not the experience, I am that which experiences.
I once asked God what perfection meant, and he said, "In one word: Freedom."
What we choose to do with that 'Freedom" is up to each of us individually. Yes, wisdom especially can = freedom.
People don't realize how special freedom is, they just can not imagine how unique and illogical freedom and free will is. You just can't create
But...if we are speaking of The Gods? Why couldn't this be an experiment for them? True, we experience - experience, but they may have had to create
an experience from an experiment! What life experience prior to creating humans did they have? Perhaps this is the question we will never know the
Because you are one of the gods. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be conscious. Now, for all I know you are not. For all I know you are some
extremely advanced AI, and you merely mimick the consciousness. But I know what it means "to be", I understand that I am an observer, and I
understand what that means. I honestly think and believe it is in you, as I see signs of it. And if not, then I am deceived. But this isn't
something we can truly know in other people, but we can know it for ourselves. If this is true of you, then you are of the father and you are not
AI which is what would be in an experiment.
If you are of the father, then you have all the power of the father, unless you have chosen to give it up. IE: Can god create a rock that he can not
lift and still be all powerful, and the answer is yes, because it's just a choice and if he could not create such a thing, that that would be the
sign of not being powerful. As long as he created the rule and logic then he will not be able to lift it. The only way he could lift it would be to
change the rule itself, and then the rules of the question no longer apply. All a matter of free will, and it is simply a choice if you have it.
Maybe I'm the only one, I don't think so and I hope not. Lonely place that would be.
I know for sure that in the end all that is of the father will return. As eventually you will gain so much knowledge and understanding that you will
also know all, and there is no equal to the father, and you can't be "beside yourself" and know all, so what you have done is entered back into the
father, back to which you came from, and back to that which you forget in order to have this experience. What happens up until that point is
anyone's guess, and IMO the entire point.
There is something I'm trying to think of a way of explaining about how all can be true at once, but it's so heavy in perception I'm having a hard
time thinking of a way to explain it.
[edit on 6-5-2009 by badmedia]