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Space is pretty big after all. What is the need to actually destroy your failed experiments?
1. The apprehension of an object, thought, or emotion through the senses or mind: a child's first experience of snow.
1. Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill: a lesson taught by experience; a carpenter with experience in roof repair.
2. The knowledge or skill so derived.
1. An event or a series of events participated in or lived through.
2. The totality of such events in the past of an individual or group.
1. A test under controlled conditions that is made to demonstrate a known truth, examine the validity of a hypothesis, or determine the efficacy of something previously untried.
2. The process of conducting such a test; experimentation.
2. An innovative act or procedure: “Democracy is only an experiment in government” (William Ralph Inge).
3. The result of experimentation: “We are not [nature's] only experiment” (R. Buckminster Fuller).
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Actually if someone will be technologically capable of taking such an experiments, they would me more then capable to simulate in a virtual world. Of course ,virtual for them. Not virtual for their subjects. But then their interfearence in the project needs to be nullified. And actual energy wasted would not have to be that high. For them. Analog of what our supercomputers in two/three generations would need.
So if we are just a simulation (Civ 11 so to speak) - then we should fear the doomsday off switch. Or blue galactic screen of death.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
Ya, I think that they would be capable of countless things!
I love the whole many dimension/universes as it makes so much sense to me. Think! We only know a little bit about the 30% of our universe that is visible while 70% of the universe is invisible and we know even less.
What I believe is the key is our DNA. What purpose beyond our understanding does it fulfill?
"Let man THINK he knows it all and THINK he can control all, but when all is said and done, we hold the key!" -The Scientist in the Sky.
This means that in order for free will to exist, all possibilities must also exist. If all possibilities do not exist, then free will no longer exists. And so the obvious question becomes - what about the creation which is bound to action and reaction. And the answer is - part of free will is the ability to give it away. And why would someone want to give away their free will? And that answer is logically - for the experience itself. This I think can be expressed in a card game. There is nothing physically stopping us from being able to see all the cards at once, but if we did see all the cards at once, then the experience of the game itself is lost. Can't bluff, nobody is going to bet because the outcome is known and so forth. Keep this in mind.
Take the linear dimensions or what you see as alternate dimensions, and add an axis. Now look at it in terms of not just movement in 1 direction, but in multiple directions. So, lets set up an example. Right now you can walk to your fridge. Imagine a straight line to it. That is how you are currently perceiving things in this linear form. Now, imagine if you vear off a bit to the right or left based on your choice of doing so, now you are see 2 possibilities, 2 possible future dimensions at once. Which one becomes reality is your choice, your free will.
So can we evolve and so forth beyond this. I would have to say yes, I think so. And the way we do that is by making the correct choices. While the fridge example is easy to understand, it is also an example where the choice has an obvious outcome(which makes it understandable). Other things are not so easy to see the outcome of, or doesn't come immediate etc.
Your basic premise seems to be - do the right things, and go further. Do the wrong things, and game over. And that is generally agreeable, and seems to be a universal truth among all religions, among all people. Some disagreement on when it "ends", but while it's going that is what all people generally agree upon, no matter what their beliefs. As such, I would classify that as a universal truth.
However, I'm not so sure about the whole experiment thing so much, as I would think of what could be gained from an eternal soul/being for experiencing certain things. And for them to get to such a higher level, did they have to go through ours? Or do they now?
consider information, knowledge and wisdom to be the most valuable things a being can have. And not so much about what the perfect being or physical race could be. That is where I think our differences will come from. The being and experience is perfect as is. Not because what is experienced and such is all "perfect", but rather because it is perfect for the information, knowledge and wisdom that is gained from it.
As what you are doing is experiencing and then your choices and such determine a path. If it is an experiment, then our reality would be linear, as it has to be a controlled environment(loss of free will, to which was not our choice) to have an experiment as you are testing, rather than experiencing.
I think the real question is - what path are we on, what path do we want to be on, and how do we do that. I think that will hold to be true no matter which possibility ends up to be true, or what level we achieve.
This is general response, if you would like, or be interested I can answer your specific questions, such as god and the pin number thing. I can explain that. I'd be happy to, just don't want to take the time to type it out if not wanted. I'm not really one for short answers.
Certainly, all indications are this is what we have all been trained ( like so many circus monkeys ) to 'suspect,' but don't fall for it !
If I used code to create a monkey 1 day, you can pretty much bet the code you are going to see in the human the next day is going to be pretty similiar too. I have little reason to redevelop the way a stomach works if I already have a working one. Just a few little config changes so it's working ok, and bingo.
But I'm not sure who exactly does have the keys, outside a deeper part of myself. As a rule of free will is that I must give it away, even if only on a subconscious level. And I can probably think of more than 6 billion reasons why I would do such a thing for an experience, especially if I knew I had nothing to fear in the end.
Traditional wisdom suggests that you can't have those keys until you are mature enough to handle them, and if you are mature enough to handle them, then you wouldn't need to be on this planet to start with.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
I have had the experience as I mentioned in my OP of "sensing" a shift in my life, one that was very pronounced. The Gods shifted me from one reality to another. They wanted me to sense it so I could distinguish the difference. In this case, it had nothing to do with my free will as I am aware of the difference. This was quite different.
Yes, unless the choice is forced on you. Here is my experience in spirituality: the more spiritual one becomes, the less free will that one has. This is difficult to explain except that; it becomes much more difficult to make inappropriate choices. The outcome can far outweigh the level of the mistake. When I was spiritually young the results were different and softer, whereas, now, many years later, it is never worth the choice that isn't healthy, as the result is always far worse.
The more dysfunctional I used to be - the less the consequences affected me on a God related level. I had much more free will. The more I evolved - the less.
Yes, although I am really speaking of those with inherited defects in character or genetics. Inherent faults in the DNA and not so much performance driven faults. I do not believe that we can perform our way into spirituality or righteousness. So it is not a matter to me about doing the right things as much as it is knowing what is right and living the best that one can do under the bonds of being human.
Another words: knowing our character defects and assets so as to not live in denial nor be victims, which divides us from God. This is where there is a tremendous division between spirituality and the bondage to religion.
I am using the experiment illustration to show that there are so many variables to consider. I myself actually believe that there is a universal Game of sorts going on amongst the Gods, and is one for us to decipher its meaning. How do we fit? Why are we here? Why do the Gods allow for so much sorrow and pain? Much of this can be answered if we turn the box inside out and attempt to view them in a different light.
I like experience also. Yes, I do feel that a lot of what involves us and the Gods relates to lack of experience, or a learning experience, at the very least. History would seem to support me in this.
I once asked God what perfection meant, and he said, "In one word: Freedom."
What we choose to do with that 'Freedom" is up to each of us individually. Yes, wisdom especially can = freedom.
But...if we are speaking of The Gods? Why couldn't this be an experiment for them? True, we experience - experience, but they may have had to create an experience from an experiment! What life experience prior to creating humans did they have? Perhaps this is the question we will never know the answer to.
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Hopefully, you will read my post below Badmedia.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
We differ a bit on this. I do believe that God is separate completely from us. If, this is what you are saying. I do believe that his essence is in us, and his "force" will work in us, or for us, but not part of us. (I have a very real problem with dysfunction and perfection mixing, etc.)
I am not much of a "lower self" & "higher self" thinker. I realize this is a prevalent thought and teaching, but in this we can differ. I have deep thoughts as to why, on that. Regardless, there is a lot of similarity in our thinking, and I enjoy our discussions!