Supposing that The Scientist or Scientists in the sky decided to create a new species? They lined up several Petri dishes and conducted their experiments. Within these dishes there would be organisms that would determine the quality of life that the Gods wanted to inhabit their earth or other planets.

Within this experiment would be the inclusion of different universes wherein these organisms could grow and evolve. They would allow them to morph into a Master Race that could eventually be the ultimate in their creation. Perhaps this would help them populate other planets or mix with many other species in the cosmos!

The most advanced organisms would mutate to the highest form while the Petri dishes (multiple universes) would also house organisms that would not evolve and would be considered the dross of the batch. So periodically the Gods would need to clean up their universes of these contaminated organisms so as to keep the healthier beings alive in a cleaner habitat. Otherwise if unchecked, the replication of the healthier organism would be destroyed. Eventually those who are not the fittest according to the Gods requirements would have to go. Otherwise the experiment is lost!

They would find the best of the mutations and would get rid of the rest or pass the more developed ones onto another more evolved universe.

Keeping this possibility in mind:

Let’s say that the Gods did indeed create multiple universes that parallel each other. Good and fine! Where does this take us? First of all, it explains why the Gods seem so heartless and uninvolved. How so?

Supposing you are a scientist and not just a lab tech. Another words; you are the genius behind some new experiments and you personally want to work out the logistics. Having a scientific mind would mean that you would be concerned with developing an environment that will be self sustaining once it reaches a level that you as a scientist want. Your whole goal is to achieve the best; the rest of the experiment that doesn’t meet your requirements will be removed or put aside. This is standard routine.

There may only be a few out of each dish that meet your standards. It may seem cruel to those that don’t meet them, however. Looking at it in a purely scientific way, it seems normal and perfectly acceptable.

This becomes an important aspect as this is where free will comes in. Many would argue on the reality of “free will.” But it does indeed exist. Mankind would receive the benefit of being able to somewhat influence their lives by their exercise of free will while others so damaged in the mutation process would not be given the chance. Here is where DNA plays a part:

Why did the Gods instill in each of these humans – healthy specimens or not, specific genetic tagging? A sort of “Pin” number (like for an ATM machine) or code? What possible reason could they have had? This plays an essential part of this tagging Game that would carry over from universe to universe! The Scientist may say “Hey little fella! You’re just what I am looking for as you have adapted beyond your species in this dish. Let’s move you to the next dish with others who are more evolved. Let’s see how you adapt and if you can influence those around you!”

Where does the element of multiple cross over universes come in? Do the evolved move on to other universes after they tackle the lesser ones? Does re-incarnation really apply not as has been taught by religion, but applying to those who transfer from one dimension/universe/density or vibration to the next? Wouldn’t DNA tagging keep the Scientists in touch with each organism or being?

Let’s say that one can evolve beyond the level of the universe they inhabit and the Gods transfer this person via consciousness into the next? The goal is to keep rising to higher consciousness levels but through different and separate universes. They know when this is happening as they feel a “shift” take place in their life (and can feel it in the world) and yet, still remain in the same body but feel like they don’t belong in that space and time and so feel; alienated.

What happens to the dross, the non-evolved? They naturally suffer the consequences of their lives and or choices, or the genetic makeup they were born with. Is that it? Well, suppose that these individuals also have an opportunity to be reborn in the lesser of the universes to be given another chance to evolve? DNA comes in handy here also. It is up to the Scientists.

Perhaps when it is all said and done, God is not as hateful as the specimens in the experiment would like to believe!

This is my take on something that is very complex, but to me answers so many questions that many of us are pondering. It adds to the quantum theory and makes sense of our existence and puts the notion of God or Gods into a more scientific light.

I look forward to your comments as I know many of you have expressed similar thoughts!

So they've stored us for thousands or even millions of years and we were never chucked out? Must be one helluva safe garage.

Hehehe,

Well, no I believe all of this experimentation has been going on for tens of thousands of years if not longer?

What does science show? Add to that philosophy and we have a real show.

Time for a garage sale, eh?

As A child I once believed we were all ants in a big experiment.

Most likely many of us have pondered this question.
We can not answer it though, for we can not see beyond ourselves.

Space is pretty big after all. What is the need to actually destroy your failed experiments?

Actually if someone will be technologically capable of taking such an experiments, they would me more then capable to simulate in a virtual world. Of course ,virtual for them. Not virtual for their subjects. But then their interfearence in the project needs to be nullified. And actual energy wasted would not have to be that high. For them. Analog of what our supercomputers in two/three generations would need.
So if we are just a simulation (Civ 11 so to speak) - then we should fear the doomsday off switch. Or blue galactic screen of death.

Ya, I think that they would be capable of countless things!

I love the whole many dimension/universes as it makes so much sense to me. Think! We only know a little bit about the 30% of our universe that is visible while 70% of the universe is invisible and we know even less.

What I believe is the key is our DNA. What purpose beyond our understanding does it fulfill?

"Let man THINK he knows it all and THINK he can control all, but when all is said and done, we hold the key!" -The Scientist in the Sky.

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
Ya, I think that they would be capable of countless things!

I love the whole many dimension/universes as it makes so much sense to me. Think! We only know a little bit about the 30% of our universe that is visible while 70% of the universe is invisible and we know even less.

What I believe is the key is our DNA. What purpose beyond our understanding does it fulfill?

"Let man THINK he knows it all and THINK he can control all, but when all is said and done, we hold the key!" -The Scientist in the Sky.

Here's how I think of DNA and our bodies.

Cells are self reproducing nanobot technology and the DNA is the code they follow. When I look at DNA, I see the same basic principles I see in programming. And when I look at cells, I see biological bots which follow that code and that logic.

I need to introduce some outside things here. Other "dimensions" of sorts for code etc. And give you a brief overview on how programs work internally.

On your PC you have libraries of common code. This common code is generally located in your Windows system file. These libraries are called .dll files, which stands for Dynamic Link Library. These are your drivers and such for programs.

Some code is so common among programs, that many programs use these libraries. So to save space, we put them in the system folder, and then each of these programs calls these libraries up from that system folder, rather than keeping a copy of each library in each file. So what we are introducing here are other dimensions of information, where each folder in your directory structure is it's own dimension.

Now, in the program itself, this code is called up through very simple commands, where you send the configuration variables to the library. The library then does the work, and returns the information after it. So, in the code of every program that uses that library, there will be a structure it follows in calling that command. And each individual program will have it's own unique variables to send.

And we see this in DNA. You change 1 part of the code, and blue skin turns green etc. Because all that is being changed is a variable of the code. So the DNA is like a config file that contains the unique variables for each person/organism, and then the cells carry out that code.

Now, because these programs all share the same code in these libraries. You can actually make updates to those programs without ever touching the actual program itself. BUT, the changes will apply to all the programs that use that library. Aka, driver updates. Update your graphics drivers, and all the programs that use those drivers are also updated. And you never touch the individual program or change it.

Programmers generally dislike doing the same thing over and over. It's a waste of time. And so we like to reuse code as much as possible. And while I use many many libraries for common functions, I also create my own libraries. But I might not always use all the code of the library. And so I get "junk code" or "junk DNA".

If I used code to create a monkey 1 day, you can pretty much bet the code you are going to see in the human the next day is going to be pretty similiar too. I have little reason to redevelop the way a stomach works if I already have a working one. Just a few little config changes so it's working ok, and bingo.

And I am talking about large visible changes with only a very small change. For example, if I want to draw a box. I will write a function that draws a box. And then from that point on, I will use the function anytime I want to draw any box. But I will just say, drawbox(this size). And the only difference between a box that is 1 inch squared and 1 that is 1 million miles squared is just a variable. Big difference in the output, 1 small change in the input.

So the most effecient code in the end, and what becomes the "visible part of the code", I'm not going to carry the function that draws the box in the main page of the code, I am only going to carry the part that says drawbox(1 inch). The box drawing will be in a library in another dimension.

The study of genetics is just trying to reverse engineer this really advanced technology. Trial and error mostly, change the DNA here, see what happens and make note. Eventually you can come up with a pattern, and identify the function of that part of the dna.

I'm in no way some kind of genetics person, so I have no idea how much code is in the dna, and how much is in another library or whatever. Just that I see it working in the same way I see programs working.

But, at the end of the day, these things just determine the vessel in which our consciousness resides. We might get a ferrari and we might get a metro, but these things only define our experience, not who we really are. The genetics define my body, my brain, what I am capable of, and my position in the universe in time and space determine the experience of. Where as the body is the car, and the universe is the street it drives on.

And in support of your above theory, we certainly do not have the keys. If we had the keys, then we would be able to manipulate our dna to whatever we wanted, grow back limbs and so forth. Don't like being fat, you could have your body process it out etc. Want more muscle, tell your body to make more. Right now we "tell" it to do that by using them.

But I'm not sure who exactly does have the keys, outside a deeper part of myself. As a rule of free will is that I must give it away, even if only on a subconscious level. And I can probably think of more than 6 billion reasons why I would do such a thing for an experience, especially if I knew I had nothing to fear in the end.

Traditional wisdom suggests that you can't have those keys until you are mature enough to handle them, and if you are mature enough to handle them, then you wouldn't need to be on this planet to start with.

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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
I have had the experience as I mentioned in my OP of "sensing" a shift in my life, one that was very pronounced. The Gods shifted me from one reality to another. They wanted me to sense it so I could distinguish the difference. In this case, it had nothing to do with my free will as I am aware of the difference. This was quite different.

Well, I can only relate that I remember the specific day when I "woke up", the specific time when I started to gain understanding beyond the literal and so forth. That was very much like a shift, my entire perspective on things changed completely. I see things completely different, but my eyes still see the same things. I can see how that can be likened to a shift in reality.

Yes, unless the choice is forced on you. Here is my experience in spirituality: the more spiritual one becomes, the less free will that one has. This is difficult to explain except that; it becomes much more difficult to make inappropriate choices. The outcome can far outweigh the level of the mistake. When I was spiritually young the results were different and softer, whereas, now, many years later, it is never worth the choice that isn't healthy, as the result is always far worse.

The more dysfunctional I used to be - the less the consequences affected me on a God related level. I had much more free will. The more I evolved - the less.

I have not lost any free will, at all. But my will has changed for sure. I don't do the same things I did as a child, but I also don't want to either. I "gave up my will", but it was not taken. Instead, I was given understanding which changed my will to what it is. A matter of perspective I guess.

Yes, although I am really speaking of those with inherited defects in character or genetics. Inherent faults in the DNA and not so much performance driven faults. I do not believe that we can perform our way into spirituality or righteousness. So it is not a matter to me about doing the right things as much as it is knowing what is right and living the best that one can do under the bonds of being human.

Another words: knowing our character defects and assets so as to not live in denial nor be victims, which divides us from God. This is where there is a tremendous division between spirituality and the bondage to religion.

I do not think of these things as that person. What divides us from god is IMO associating these kinds of things, and this physical as being ourselves, rather than god. As we associate these defects and so forth as being ourselves, then we see ourselves as being things which are not of god, not perfect and so forth. I see these things as defining the experience, of which we are to learn and overcome. And you can do that when you realize what you truly are(god), but you can not do that if you associate those things as being a definition of "you". Those defects go away at death, because they are part of the experience, not you. How you deal with that experience will be what defines "you" and what your true characteristics are.

It is easy for us to dwell on such defects. And people will gladly point at the them for you, and tell you that you are those things. I'm sure you know "what is your greatest fear?". If not I'll post it, cuz it's great.

Like the movie waking life, it's not the colors your given that matters, it's what you do with those colors. A flat landscape is dull and boring, the most jagged and rough mountains often make the best paintings and views. It's those imperfections that make people unique. 6 billion of the same painting is no more exciting than 1 of the painting, unless you are selling them for $100 a pop.

I am using the experiment illustration to show that there are so many variables to consider. I myself actually believe that there is a universal Game of sorts going on amongst the Gods, and is one for us to decipher its meaning. How do we fit? Why are we here? Why do the Gods allow for so much sorrow and pain? Much of this can be answered if we turn the box inside out and attempt to view them in a different light.

I like experience also. Yes, I do feel that a lot of what involves us and the Gods relates to lack of experience, or a learning experience, at the very least. History would seem to support me in this.

I can create an experiment with a program, and that experiment can run and then give me the results without me doing anything. I can not program an experience without including a consciousness. This is the main reason I abandoned trying to create AI. Not because it's not possible, but because it can not evolve past the artificial stage without acquiring consciousness, of which logic can not create. I can create a if this happens, then feel this way logic all day long, but there is no logic that can create the actual feeling itself.

And it doesn't matter how advanced a race of beings gets, you can not get around this. Consciousness is god, and if you are conscious then you are god. It would take an act of god to get consciousness into such a thing, and if these beings created all these universes, it was done based on logic, and thus to get consciousness into it, requires and act of god, or an act of giving away ones free will. In my AI, the only way I could give it consciousness would be to somehow transport my consciousness into it.

And this btw is something that is well known among those who work on AI, and they are trying to actually develop ways of doing exactly what I talk about, into an electrical brain. Where the programming and such works on the same principles as a brain, and performs those kinds of functions(although the idea is that it can forever be repaired and upgraded), but your consciousness is put into it.

Without the consciousness, it will forever be "artificial intelligence", which is not actually intelligence at all, but mimicks intelligence based on the logic(which is created by real intelligence) gave to it. While it is artifical, it will be able to do many things better and faster than humans, and perform many of great tasks. But it will never be able to know what it means to be, it will be bound only to the logic given to it by the programmer, thus completely devoid of free will and so forth. If programmed well, you would NOT be able to tell the difference between it and a real person. But it will not have a soul, it will not have consciousness and it is nothing more than a very complex group of patterns.

Your body and the way it functions is like this. It comes from the dust of the earth, from logic and follows the laws of creation. All of it follows logic and so forth. But the consciousness is different.

So if they created all the universes and such, then they would still have to at one point or another put their own consciousness into it. Otherwise, it is "dead", and you might as well be running a bunch of numbers across your PC while you sleep.

I am not the experience, I am that which experiences.

I once asked God what perfection meant, and he said, "In one word: Freedom."

What we choose to do with that 'Freedom" is up to each of us individually. Yes, wisdom especially can = freedom.

People don't realize how special freedom is, they just can not imagine how unique and illogical freedom and free will is. You just can't create it.

But...if we are speaking of The Gods? Why couldn't this be an experiment for them? True, we experience - experience, but they may have had to create an experience from an experiment! What life experience prior to creating humans did they have? Perhaps this is the question we will never know the answer to.

Because you are one of the gods. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be conscious. Now, for all I know you are not. For all I know you are some extremely advanced AI, and you merely mimick the consciousness. But I know what it means "to be", I understand that I am an observer, and I understand what that means. I honestly think and believe it is in you, as I see signs of it. And if not, then I am deceived. But this isn't something we can truly know in other people, but we can know it for ourselves. If this is true of you, then you are of the father and you are not AI which is what would be in an experiment.

If you are of the father, then you have all the power of the father, unless you have chosen to give it up. IE: Can god create a rock that he can not lift and still be all powerful, and the answer is yes, because it's just a choice and if he could not create such a thing, that that would be the sign of not being powerful. As long as he created the rule and logic then he will not be able to lift it. The only way he could lift it would be to change the rule itself, and then the rules of the question no longer apply. All a matter of free will, and it is simply a choice if you have it.

Maybe I'm the only one, I don't think so and I hope not. Lonely place that would be.

I know for sure that in the end all that is of the father will return. As eventually you will gain so much knowledge and understanding that you will also know all, and there is no equal to the father, and you can't be "beside yourself" and know all, so what you have done is entered back into the father, back to which you came from, and back to that which you forget in order to have this experience. What happens up until that point is anyone's guess, and IMO the entire point.

There is something I'm trying to think of a way of explaining about how all can be true at once, but it's so heavy in perception I'm having a hard time thinking of a way to explain it.


[edit on 6-5-2009 by badmedia]

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
We differ a bit on this. I do believe that God is separate completely from us. If, this is what you are saying. I do believe that his essence is in us, and his "force" will work in us, or for us, but not part of us. (I have a very real problem with dysfunction and perfection mixing, etc.)

I am not much of a "lower self" & "higher self" thinker. I realize this is a prevalent thought and teaching, but in this we can differ. I have deep thoughts as to why, on that. Regardless, there is a lot of similarity in our thinking, and I enjoy our discussions!

Oh, I am god. And I am arguing with myself. In this post, I am replying to myself. And I will be reading it later again from another perspective. As you read this, you will be talking to yourself.

Are you currently in the perspective of the father? No. The father(god) carries all perspective and knows all. You do not. Why? Because you can't know all that and have this experience. If you knew all that, then the requirements for this experience are broken. Can't have "time" if there is nothing new to change into.

It's like a movie. If you look at the movie all at once, that is the father. If you look at the movie frame by frame instead of all at once, you get the experience of the movie. Which is only made possible by a limited perception/knowledge. This the father and son/daughter relationship. So it is the higher self that views the movie film, and the lower self that watches the movie. Only a movie film is linear, and then you are stuck with what the director put up and no free will, so we stack up every possible movie film next to each other, and make it a choose your own adventure movie. Which then appears linear as the experience itself is linear. Thus, you make a "path" across the universe based on your choices. And of course, as you go to what you call other dimensions, you are then just adding on to the perception and what is known of the universe, and then if you should evolve the point where all is known, you have ended the cycle as both alpha and omega. The kicker is each individual experience must be experienced individually as well as in other ways for all to be known again. But this all happens at the same "time".

Going up a level there, so getting into the very hard to explain. But even as I know all this, the father is still so much greater than me because he contains and knows all those things, and things we can't even imagine etc. In the end, what another person would define as "me", ie: my body, and my experience will officially be over the moment that body and experience dies. At the moment, assuming I retain memory of this life, it will be my life and experience + what i experience after it + whatever I experienced before this life that wasn't included or needed for this experience.