Top Lawmaker Wants Mileage-Based Tax on Vehicles

Taxation is regulation..is control ..is not a free people.

This is an additional tax on top of already high taxes. No one is asking the government to cut back or pay a tax. This is on the public.

taxation is regulation is control is not a free people.

Taxation is the route to unlimited government...and control of a sovereign over a people..is feudalism.

This is the route to a two class system...anyone with any ability at all will join the government...all others scramble for what is left over and they pay for the freeloaders.

All this will do is justify more government while less is done for the public.

As to people turning to hydrogen or other means of fuel...get a clue.....this is what people do when government stops working for the people...The government then forces thier revenue more on the productive sector of the economy. ..they tax the productive public more rather than admit they are ineffective or a burden on the public.

Orangetom

Sounds like another excuse for another tracking device to me.

Let's tax hot air instead, we'd make a fortune from politicians!

reply to post by SpacePunk


You just don't have any authority for this statemnet and refuse to read the tax.

The federal tax is 28.4 cents for gasoline and 34.4 cents for diesel, There are no other federal transportation taxes. See the statute.

Prove me wrong.

You can not.

Your saying so doesn't make it so.

No one evades a tax that doesn't exist.

Deny ignorance.

jw

The real problem with this is the GPS tracking device that will have to be installed in the vehicle to give them the mileage info. They will know where you are, where you've been in some instances. Will be able to trace your steps just like t hey can do with cell phones now. It's too intrusive. The work around is to disable the device and in that instance the "smart" gas pump will charge you the per gallon tax. It should be close to the same ammount. They can't punish you if the device is broken. All we need is someone with some insite on how this is installed and where and the best way to disable.

reply to post by amazing

The easiest "get around" is to not go to the pump! If you have 2 vehicles, drive the one least used to the gas station and fill up 2 5-gallon cans to re-fill the high-mileage car.

If that car doesn't go to the pump, it doesn't get taxed.

That assumes gas stations are the only places where the feds will check your miles. They could set up remote monitoring stations like they do for long-haul truckers.

jw

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by amazing

 

The easiest "get around" is to not go to the pump! If you have 2 vehicles, drive the one least used to the gas station and fill up 2 5-gallon cans to re-fill the high-mileage car.

If that car doesn't go to the pump, it doesn't get taxed.

That assumes gas stations are the only places where the feds will check your miles. They could set up remote monitoring stations like they do for long-haul truckers.

jw

jdub297,

It will indeed come to this in the long run. Federal agents and regulators whose task along with the constabulary is to protect the tax investment and not actually look out for the public interest. This is Royal entitlement..not public service. There will be no end to this stuff or pattern in sight until the goose is properly killed.

Few will actually be looking out for or protecting the public from wildlife which will abound. We are already getting there rapidly...after the same pattern which is happening in the UK. The protection is and will be for the system ...the Feudal Lords.

They will indeed set up teams to canvas the public for violators rather than protect the public..the public will be considered suspect from the begining. Hence no one will be protecting the public interest...but only the government/feudal Lords interest.

You go to bed one night alright..and the next day by an act of law you find yourself with a choice ...violate the law to maintain your standard of living or cede to new laws and take a dip in your families standard of living while supporting a feudal system with your hard earned tax dollars/risks.

The definition of a government or Lord is anyone or any organization which can enforce their revenue.

The only moral question is will they enforce the revenue for the public interest or is the government really operating in the interests of groups we dont ordinarily see...private feudal interests.

As long as the take is not to high ...the government is alright..but when the take/graft gets to high...government must needs go to extreme measures to control the public...ie...deceive..the public to protect thier ..government interests.
They will only accelerate the breakdown...untill the laws mean nothing.

This is a view and thought process one never learns in public schools or from the media who is supposedly looking out for us.

But it is common sense once someone explaiins it.

Dont let anyone BS you...Taxation is work we do for which we get no goods or services.

Inflation is also a tax...work we do for which we get no goods or services.
Exactly the same result as a tax.

Taxation is regulation/control. Inflation is regulation or control.
We are getting taxed twice here.
Now they want more taxes, regulations, and controls under the guise of new fees.

You have to go to public school and get educated in stupidity to not see it for what it is.

You dont get this one in public school or in the media as well.

It means you work more but dont get discretionary use of the moneys you earn. You must give it up to someone or some organization who feels entitled to it....by default..by some new law..but takes no RISK in earning it. This is why it amounts to feudalism...a fiefdom of a Lord...ROYALTY.

This applies to any new tax or fees or such ..by anyone not taking the RISKS in earning it.

Thanks,
Orangetom

This seems like a goofy idea, and far more intrusive and annoying than simply increasing the gas tax to accomplish the same revenue goals.

As someone who commutes an hour each way every day, I am particularly displeased

reply to post by orangetom1999


The "constabulary" in the UK are now taked with enforcing their "carbon credits" scheme and monitor energy usage by driving neighborhoods scanning for "hot" houses to be targeted for enforcement of energy policy.

Your point is well-taken. Law Enforcement will now be hunting us down, instead of reacting to our needs.

jw

reply to post by xmotex


Luckily, I haven't had a long commute in years. But this is overreaching.

It's only one of many steps coming in the the enforced march to using less energy and at greater expense.

This is a revenue issue, not a climate issue.

jw

Another way of looking at this ....

They can't chip us (RFID) so they'll chip our cars instead?

Like I said before, I drive a truck so my "taxes" would be enormous compared to the normal joe driving back and forth an hour or so to work every day.

I'm almost tempted to start a thread to find out exactly what types of taxes everyone pays .. just out of curiousity.

This tax stuff is getting way out of hand, it is really time for a fair/flat tax instead of 500 different small taxes bleeding us dry. I wonder how much money is wasted by having 6000 different taxes that all need to be collected instead of 1.

They thought about the same over here in the UK, a mileage based tax system last year, but I think a few people said no to it.
Should they plan to implement any kind of tax heist like this then feel free to switch off your GPS , and should they add a gps box to your car , rip it off and send to your local MP.

reply to post by cnichols

Excellent idea, but how far up the supply chain would you be willing to go?

Consider "canned corn." The farmer is taxed and passes that on to the silo owner/grain merchant.

The merchant is taxed and passes that on, as do his shippers and wholesalers.

The manufacturer is taxed on his production and he too pays a shipper to bet his cans to the factory.

The factory pays payroll taxes in addition to their own property and income taxes. They have shippers/transporters who are also taxed.

Follow this down to the consumer who drives to the market.

Nobody pays attention to these "invisible" taxes, but you don't expect anyone up the chain to "eat" their 'costs of goods sold', do you?

Everything is passed down to the consumer. Add it up if you can.

A great idea, but it would be difficult and frightening as much as enlightening.

jw

I love the way our politicians work. Instead of tackling the real problems and helping the average American get ahead, they concentrate on further keeping the average American down. Politicians ought to tax themselves for each dumb idea they introduce. That ought to put some money in the coffer.

Minnesota folks, please get rid of this guy.

reply to post by jam321

The White house revealed that of the $16 billion in stimulus money allocated for "highway construction," almost ALL of it has gone to re-paving and widening instead of new construction.

These contracts went to established government contractors, not new job creation!

Now they want more. Who would've guessed?

jw