36,000 People die of 'flu in the USA each year, page 3
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reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 12:03 AM by Donkey_Dean
Originally posted by jtma508
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post by mystiq



Why is the fact that it has avian fragments so important? The most important factor is that it is a recombinant of human influenza. That gives it the critical human-to-human transmissability. And of all the infuenzas known, the swine type has proven to be the most lethal. I don't get what makes the avian aspect susch a big deal.

The concern surrounding the H5N1 is that IF it successfully recombines with a human influenza it could, by virtue of the birds' mobility, spread widely and quickly with little chance of stopping it.


H5N1 is a real nasty killer, near 40% fatal I think. If it did turn into a human virus it would likely lose much of its potency, but I think that the real concern is its killing power. If the bird flu kept its potency and became a human virus which spread quickly we well could see 30-40% of the populous killed.

The swine strain is one nasty virus, and if it spreads quickly we are in real trouble on the whole.

Don’t mean to fear monger here. If you did get sick your much more than likely not going to die from Swine Flu.


reply posted on 29-4-2009 @ 06:19 AM by jtma508
reply to post by Donkey_Dean




Yea, but the thing is H5N1 isn't a human influenza. Its lethality is entirely based upon avian pathology. It's concerning, yes, but there's no valid human model. Of all flus ever seen the H1N1 (swine) is the most dangerous... so far.

The avain flus, however, do have one important risk factor: because they host in birds they have the potential of spreading far-and-wide in a way that would be just about impossible to control.


reply posted on 1-5-2009 @ 01:13 AM by ViolatoR
reply to post by Essan



The figure of 36,000 is complete B.S. Only about 6,000 die of the flu, the rest of flu like symptoms, but *not* the actual flu. The 6,000 are all 65 years old or older. A graph of flu deaths against vaccinations shows zero affect of the vaccine against deaths. The info on actual deaths is (or used to be) on the FDA's own website where it stated in plain english that only 6,000 actually died of the flu. And I have a picture somewhere of the vaccine graph, but I cannot find it right now. Anyways as long as you're not very old, or have a completely shot immunie system, the flu (even of the swine persuasion) won't kill you. Take some vitamin D and forget about the profit driven vaccines and the hype.


reply posted on 1-5-2009 @ 02:34 AM by amfirst
reply to post by Essan



R u an idiot. Yes, people die from the avg flu, but they don't die at a very high percentage when contracting it. Why don't u go get a shock for the swing flu and see how u like it. I sure it's going to take time to spread, but once it does, 30k is going to be a insignificant number.


reply posted on 1-5-2009 @ 02:44 AM by Essan
reply to post by amfirst



What evidence is there that a higher than average number of people are dying from this Mexican H1 virus?

Here in the UK there is strong evidence that people contracting it are recovering quicker than they do from some other H1 variants.

The only danger with Mexican H1 is if it merges with an H5 strain and we get a real pandemic in the winter.

Still, I guess it's more fun to panic


reply posted on 1-5-2009 @ 05:10 AM by wisdomnotemotion
Originally posted by Essan
I appreciate this is old news, but I think it's useful to get a sense of proportion here.

So far just over 100 people have died of Swine 'flu in Mexico and exactly 0 have died in the USA.

Data from 2003 suggests that on average 36,000 people die from 'normal' 'flu in the USA each year

Source

Using new and improved statistical models, CDC scientists estimate that an average of 36,000 people (up from 20,000 in previous estimates) die from influenza-related complications each year in the United States. In addition, about 11,000 people die per year from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a virus that causes upper and lower respiratory tract infections primarily in young children and older adults. The study demonstrates that most deaths caused by RSV occur in the elderly.


Whilst Mexican Swine 'flu may have to potential to become a serious pandemic, let's, for the time being at least, keep a sense of proportion, eh?

Or maybe unnecessary panic is what people want?



Good points.

So far, only 1 baby death from swine flu in US. Been pretty quiet here in Asia.
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