I heard a rumor in kentucky on tobacco..Read within

I was told by numerous people working in store's and tobacco store's.

As around july tobacco is going to go up YET again 62 to 68 cent a pack...or 6.80$ a cartoon.

this is to take effect in July sometime.

We just got a 2.00 basicly increase in tax on tobacco earlier this month.

TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX...

Oh and all soda with sugar..is going to get the obesity tax in kentucky around july they said.
Price they was not sure yet.


And the fedral goverment is forcing all tobacco company's to sell there cigarette's.
In plain black and white cartoons and pack's ..so not to attract kids i assume.
Sometime in july or august ..is the word.

And the FDA now has control over what they put in tobacco.
They will now enforce the removal of all the bad stuff including nicotine.

Effective as of august or december.


Just thought i would give some inside info.

Have you been living in a cave? Here in the midwest, we've been paying $6 a pack for a couple years, and it's just been increased to $7 a pack, recently. You learn just how addictive nicotine is, when you still pay those prices, and are happy that they're not illegal, yet.

Nicotine is more physically addictive than heroin, and I want it totally outlawed. Marijuana is only mentally habit-forming (non-physically addictive) and it's outlawed. Don't even get me started on alcohol.

I think if we outlawed tobacco and alcohol and legalized pot, we'd have a VERY cool country to live in.

my 2 c,
O-315

Originally posted by TheAmused


And the FDA now has control over what they put in tobacco.
They will now enforce the removal of all the bad stuff including nicotine.

Effective as of august or december.


Just thought i would give some inside info.

Hope that instead the removal of bad stuff they don't add even worst toxins.
Everytime i smoke a cigarrete this ideia comes to my mind.
They could add whatever they want and we'll smoke it innocently.

Here in new york its 10$ for a single pack of smokes.

I read an article a while back that said the government now makes more money per pack of smokes than the companies producing them do.

Originally posted by organism315
Have you been living in a cave? Here in the midwest, we've been paying $6 a pack for a couple years, and it's just been increased to $7 a pack, recently. You learn just how addictive nicotine is, when you still pay those prices, and are happy that they're not illegal, yet.

Nicotine is more physically addictive than heroin, and I want it totally outlawed. Marijuana is only mentally habit-forming (non-physically addictive) and it's outlawed. Don't even get me started on alcohol.

I think if we outlawed tobacco and alcohol and legalized pot, we'd have a VERY cool country to live in.

my 2 c,
O-315

The day they outlaw my smoke's is the day they will have a revolt in America.

2nd our smoke's did go up last month.
1.96% a pack....
now two months later ..they are going to add 68 cent more.

I am not going to stand by and pay extra tax's.

Look we die 20 year's faster.....

so pot smoking alcholic's....can draw 20 more years of social security worry free..


2nd i didn't know what was in teh dang thing's when i started smoking lol

3rd..This is about tax tax tax tax after tax...on the poor.

Cause you know it as good as everyone else here...It is TAX on the POOR.

90% of poor class are the smoker's...
Not middle and high class.

Obama Swore NO NEW TAX'S ON THE POOR!!!

reply to post by organism315


Although I agree with your post, However the government or the FDA I should say, will never remove nicotine or tar from any cigarette ever. It's what makes them your money, they'll make more "light" smokes, and by that I mean they just add holes in the filter.

And there are many little taxes that will begin soon, thousands of them. We will be the most taxed society on the planet in 5 years if we don't do anything about it.

~Keeper

Originally posted by djzombie
Here in new york its 10$ for a single pack of smokes.

I read an article a while back that said the government now makes more money per pack of smokes than the companies producing them do.

That's my point.

Tax is Luxury like pop cigerrete's beer a hoho cake...
That is more than what it actual cost's to produce and make the stuff.

Is called over taxing the American people.
The POOR American people.

At the rate it's going you'll be able to make more money dealing tobacco products than drugs. (That's assuming it's under the radar so it's not taxed)

It's getting to the point that drug addicts are going which do I want worse, tobacco or "insert drug here".

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Hey i already know 8 people selling bootleg smoke's.

with no tax stamp's..

So it's already starting...

Remember the Prohibition... what happen?

This is no different..accept they are taxing us to the point of never being able to afford one.
Instead of just saying it's illegal and ban it.

I will buy from the bootleg seller's piss on the new tax's from now on

I have no problem with taxing the hell out of any dangerous drug. If people want to use these drugs (and nicotine is an addictive drug), then the taxes on the substance should be sufficient to pay for the damage done to society by their use. I'm not in favor of making cigarettes illegal, but only in making smokers pay their way now and in the future. Smokers are much more likely to require intensive, prolonged medical treatment for the problems caused by smoking. Think of this as a pre-paid medical plan.

This is not a "tax on the poor". True, poor people will be harder hit by this tax, but that applies to any tax on commonly available items. No one has to smoke. Not being able to afford cigarettes doesn't kill anyone, nor cause them actual harm. It is very uncomfortable - I know, I was smoking 3 packs a day for years. But you won't die if you withdraw. In fact, you just might keep your health and have a decent lifespan.

I say remove taxes from the true necessities of life (food, clothing, housing, etc.), and put it on those items that damage our health or quality of life. Tax the hell out of fast foods. Tax sugar, cigarettes, coffee, alcohol. Tax everything according to the damage it does to society in terms of lost work, illness, premature death, traffic accidents, violence, whatever else these unnecessary "luxuries" do to us.

The problem with most of these things is that we have no idea how dangerous they are to us. We eat fast foods and sugar, smoke, drink, etc., but aren't aware of the true cost of those things. We find out many years later, when it's too late to stop. We have a heart attack or stroke, we develop emphysema or lung cancer, we're obese or otherwise in poor health. In many cases - most, probably - we don't just drop dead, we're debilitated, spending many years suffering poor health, dragging out our lifetimes for a little while longer with expensive and painful medical treatments. The quality of life goes down and we may then realize what a costly mistake we had made.

If I had to pay 50 dollars for 1 pack of cigarettes I would definitely enjoy smoking more. It would seem more of a hard to come by luxury that one would enjoy more. I will stop smoking when it reaches 120 dollars a pack. Then the pleasure of having a smoke would be less than the work it took to earn the money in the first place. Bring on the taxes on cigarettes. Let them get over a hundred bucks a pack. I dare the government to do it! It would make them so much more enjoyable and rare.

Most people that smoke are poverty stricken.Why tax the poor?Big brother just wont leave us alone.What has happened to personal freedom?It is nobodys bussiness what I or anyone else puts into there bodies.We all have to die of something,next thing they will be talking about is population control.How about instead of killing innocent babies in the womb they let us determine our own health outcome,make some room for the next generation..This is what happens when you put a kenyan in office!!

Well it looks like the states is about to catch up with us over the pond on this one, Britain has the third highest rate of tax on tobacco in europe, around 77%...........

news.bbc.co.uk...

CIGARETTE TAXES IN THE EU
Ireland - 78%
UK - 77%
France - 80%
Estonia - 67%
Latvia - 83%
Greece - 73%
Czech Republic - 78%
Hungary - 80%
Source: Tobacco Manufacturers' Association


and the smuggling is huge, as is counterfit tobacco

I know people who pay for their trip abroad by buying , a years supply when they are away, the difference in price pays for the trip, all perfectly legal....

[edit on 19/4/2009 by whoswatchinwho]

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Well here it's against the law in the state's to have over 2 cartoon's with another state's tax stamp.

it's a felony..over a legal cigarette...a felony!!!
www.tennessee.gov...

Possessing more than 20 packs (or two cartons) of cigarettes not bearing Tennessee revenue stamps is a violation of Tenn. Code Ann. 67-4-1019. Such products and any vehicle(s) used to transport them are considered contraband and are subject to seizure. Possession of more than 25 cartons is a Class E felony, while possession of more than two but less than 25 cartons is a misdemeanor.

Its america ....if i find something cheaper in alabama i am buying in alabama.
it's legal to buy them.
But illegal for me to own 2 cartoon's from kentucky.lol

Why you in prison ?
I got caught with 2 cartoons of marlboro from kentucky for the 4th time.
total bs folk's im sorry.

chiron613 -- What you're talking about is tyranny imposed under the rug in what is supposed to be a free society. I don't smoke cigarettes, i'm not for the tar and rat poison and all the rest but good for everyone who does if they enjoy it. Don't Tread on Me.

Another thing, who would you propose be in charge of determining what the ratio of "bad for you" is in terms of raising or lowering the taxes on items? The federal government? A bunch of people who can't get out of their own way and never take state's interests under advisement because since we switched how Senators were elected there's no accountability to the states. More taxing never solves any problems, ever.

I'm fine paying my fair share of taxes. Keep the roads drivable and the infrastructure running. But if I want to kill myself with a pack a day or get obese eating 3 Big Macs a day I have no intention of answering to you or anybody about it because I am supposed to live in a free country. The erosion of freedom starts on the edges my friend, and it's things like this that chip the corners.

People who live unhealthy lifestyles and ingest massive quantities of carcinogens and fatty foods, and cannot pay for their own healthcare, are a burden on us ALL.

That is the point being made: Pay for your future costs now, so your bad choices will not be a burden on everyone later.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but "This is a free country!" is not a fair answer. Would it be better if people were pushing hard to deny healthcare and government benefits to smokers and the obese?

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I'll tell you what, can the idea of universal healthcare paid for by all tax payers and this isn't an issue. The government should have no hand in healthcare, and you should have no hand in general over what I choose to eat or drink or smoke. In a non-socialist country if smokers want to pay higher insurance premiums, why not let them?

What if I told you that I was going to raise taxes on your couch because couches induce laziness? Or your tv? Or your internet? The government doesn't give power back, that's why you have to keep as much autonomy as possible. It's short sighted to point at someone being abused by the government and say "... I don't (do [X]) and as long as it's not me getting abused who cares?" It isn't the government's job to keep me healthy and physically fit. It's mine, and if I fail than I am a failure, and noone else.

If this is true, it's absolutely ridiculous. They are getting enough of my money to cover what they *should* be doing as a government. But i suppose that's the problem: there's so many pie-in-the-sky pet projects that need funding, they HAVE to resort to extorting smokers.
Aren't we, as smokers, a minority group? Don't we deserve all the protections from persecution other minority groups get? Where is the ACLU when you need them?
Until we get this sorted out, just do what i do: smoke half a pack a day. It's enough to keep you from fiending.


TheAssociate

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by organism315

 

Although I agree with your post, However the government or the FDA I should say, will never remove nicotine or tar from any cigarette ever. It's what makes them your money, they'll make more "light" smokes, and by that I mean they just add holes in the filter.

And there are many little taxes that will begin soon, thousands of them. We will be the most taxed society on the planet in 5 years if we don't do anything about it.

~Keeper

It has more to do with those things (nicotine and tar) being naturally occurring in tobacco... to remove them would add more to the process and I don't even know if it's possible.

Originally posted by whoswatchinwho
Well it looks like the states is about to catch up with us over the pond on this one, Britain has the third highest rate of tax on tobacco in europe, around 77%...........

news.bbc.co.uk...

CIGARETTE TAXES IN THE EU
Ireland - 78%
UK - 77%
France - 80%
Estonia - 67%
Latvia - 83%
Greece - 73%
Czech Republic - 78%
Hungary - 80%
Source: Tobacco Manufacturers' Association


and the smuggling is huge, as is counterfit tobacco

I know people who pay for their trip abroad by buying , a years supply when they are away, the difference in price pays for the trip, all perfectly legal....

[edit on 19/4/2009 by whoswatchinwho]

In canada we pay upto and over 10$ per pack and have been paying 9$ for several years. We have high tobacco taxes for the same reason britain does - cause the governments give us free health care.

So they have an incentive to keep us healthy, so it costs them less money. Whats funny is that in the states they are just raping the people, for the sake of raping the people, it has nothing to do with health.