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Russia's Medvedev hails 'comrade' Obama

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posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Oooh, that's right, I guess i must accept the word of someone who shows to be a Communist in his own avatar and shows the whole world under the Communist avatar....


And judging by your avatar you are a confused Hulk?

My avatar does not represent my political affiliation or any utopian idealogy that I favor. It is simply a memento of the failed empire the lessons learned from which should have taught us of dangers of social instability and authoritarianism, and the incompatibility of utopian theories and human nature.

But if it makes you feel better to call me a communist - then go right ahead. I have lived under communism, and I know far more about it's pluses and minuses than you ever will.




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira

Not judging by the lack of stars your posts have and your severely degraded argumentative capacity, which revolves around childish "sexual jokes" aimed at me.


Wow, you have one star, you must be feeling really special I guess.

About my response to your demeaning and insulting words, it was just that. I am not going to get into another debate about who started what, if you are really mature, then learn to make your point without trying to demean, and insult anyone you disagree with, which is what I was pointing exactly.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I love the way you dodged almost every point of mine that was too hard for you refute:
- Such as the EU leveraging economical sanctions over state who refuse to join NATO.
- And the fact that NATO is just another Cold War remnant with the same Imperialistic ambitions as Russia's CIS-bloc.
-And America's role in destabilising the economies of Eastern Europe through US capital inflows and bonds, which are now worth nothing.


Nothing more than the claims of someone who obviously hates Capitalism... These countries WANT to be part of NATO...the only one who has leveraged sanctions trying to flew their muscles in Europe was Russia with them cutting off the much needed gas, but obviously you like to ignore that.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
You didn't make it up, but you fail to properly analyse your hastily "googled" sources:

That's from your source.

This is also from your sources:

You may want to read these articles thoroughly before jumping to conclusions.


First you claimed I made it up, and now you try to use some statements that politicians made AFTER THE FACT, and which they only did to save face, and gain more political power to disprove this?

Those very same people were saying the oposite before the war started.

BTW, do you actually think the Russian intelligence agencies, and Putin himself were giving evidence, and data to the U.S. about "Saddam making plans to make terrorist attacks in the U.S." just to claim "oh but we don't know anything in specific about him being behind any such plans?... Putin made these comments after the fact that it was made known he had done this, and he said this in 2004, AFTER the war had started... Use that grey matter in your head a little please.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Your miserable attempt to link Saddam Hussein, a well-known secularist and staunch opponent of radical Islam (because it threatened his unbridled control over his people) to every terrorist group in the world via some lame-duck, independent blog is laughable.


The man did not keep it a secret and announced it to the world that he paid the families of terrorists, and you are claiming this is made up?......



Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
As in, apart from the utterly deranged, who still cling to the hope that WMD's will be unearthed in Iraq someday, no one is seriously still adhering to the notion Iraq had WMD's prior to 2003; despite the fact 8 years of searching has turned up nothing.


Hope from the deranged?... I never hoped for Saddam or any other maniac to have such weapons. Obviously you are too ignorant to know the difference. I still know Iraqis who say to this day that Saddam had WMD, and of course, you don't have to take the word of these people, but there were others such as the second in Command of Saddam's Air Force Georges Sada, alngside many others, but of course you ignore these people too, and the high ranking Ruyssian defectors who stated even before the war started that there were plans known as "Sarindar" for Russian forces to help hide, or get rid of WMD if western powers got too close to finding them, but again you in your ignorant rants ignore and dismiss these people.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
So that means they have to be under the Iron Yoke of the United States and her Imperialistic Hegemony?


I guess you feel that mimicing Homer Simpson suddenly must enlighten others to your ignorance?

These countries ASKED to be helped, it doesn't equals to being under the Iron Yoke of anyone, at least at the beginning, but as things are turning up, they might soon be once again under such "iron Socialist yoke".


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
You may want to brush up on your native language then my naive friend:


I just find it hilarious that another non-hispanic speaker will try to claim he knows more about the history of the native tongue of latin peope than any of them.... Seriously arrogant and laughable....

You can ask anyone in hispanic circles that that word "Camarada" was taken by the Communists in countries like Cuba, and they took it from Communist U.S.S.R.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I'm more interested to know why you feel it is your credibility is automatically proven on here without you sourcing half the nonsense you claim is true?


Because this has been known a fact for a longtime, except to those that want to dismiss these facts because it agrees with their political ideologies.

I made initial comments thinking those who will respond would know about these facts already.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Sure we did.
An unamed, unknown official saying god's know what, god's know when.


I Will post the information on another response.



Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
You know my sister's, cat's, cousin's, father's friend of a friend also told me that story too, so I suppose it must be verifiable.


Well, you can keep listening to your "siste'rs cat's, cousin's father's friend, because apparently that's where all your information comes from. I'll listen to those people who have been proven to be right, and every one of the things they said would come to pass has come to pass because it is part of a plan which was agreed on a king time ago.


Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
And I'm the one "fantasising" here.


[edit on 8-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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Here is an interview done to Geroges Sada, second in Command of Saddam's Air Force.
www.msunderestimated.com...

The U.S. official is actually well known, he is former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, John A. Shaw.



February 20, 2006

Ex-Official Says "Russia Moved Saddam's WMDs"
The headline article on NewsMax.com today uncovers a rather disturbing report by the former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, John A. Shaw. In a speech he gave at the "Intelligence Summit" in Virginia, Shaw presented his evidence claiming that the Russian military moved Saddam's weapons for him right before the start of the Iraq war.

blogs.setonhill.edu...

Stop trying to judge information because of it's source, left wing sources would never even try to think about this sort of thing, just like left wing people normally, and without any evidence to the contrary decide to just dismiss anyone, and everyone who says this sort of things, even comin high ranking Russian, Iraqi, or Chinese, or Cuban, or whoever else has lived and experienced the truth under authoritarian regimes, which tend to be on the left side, aka Socialists, or Communists.

BTW even wikipedia has something about this whole ordeal.



Russia and Iraq
Main articles: Al Qa'qaa high explosives controversy and WMD theories in the aftermath of the 2003 Iraq War
Mr. Shaw was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq. He stated in October 2004, March 2005, and again in February 2006 that it was the Russians who helped Saddam Hussein to "clean up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles "to prevent the United States from discovering them."

In particular, on February 18, 2006, Shaw told a conference at The Intelligence Summit in Alexandria, Virginia, that "The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went" to Syria and the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon, Kenneth R. Timmerman reported February 19, 2006, in NewsMax. "They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," Shaw said.

After accusing Russian GRU of helping Saddam to remove his WMD, Shaw was asked to resign for "exceeding his authority" in disclosing the information, a charge he called "specious." Shaw was forced out of office when his position was eliminated on December 10, 2004.

Shaw stated that he went public with his comments regarding Russia moving Iraq's WMD when he did to help George W. Bush who he felt was being "crucified" by the revelations that over 350 tons of explosives had gone missing in Iraq as a result of the U.S. invasion [3]. He said "If I had not had the openly hostile environment in [Pentagon public affairs], I would have moved the story differently. Getting the truth out instantly was more important than process."

en.wikipedia.org...

There were newspapers that even showed how and why he was asked to resign, because he "exceeded his authority in disclosing this information", which means the government wanted to keep this secret.

Shaw , Sada, and some other Iraqi defectors are not the only ones saying this. Before the invasion even started former high ranking officials were saying the WMD will be moved before we ever got there, do people still forget how much time Saddam got from the first time that more, and more evidence seemed to show they still had WMD, because data about their destruction was never given? Saddam did not allow weapons inspectors to inspect areas, and his regime had to be informed well in advance before any visits by the UN inspectors, you actually think Saddam and his regime postponed the UN inspections because he didn't have anything to hide?

Again use what little grey matter you still have inside your head before you start dismissing those who disagree with you out of hand.



Ex-spy fingers Russians on WMD
By | Originally published 08:12 p.m., August 20, 2003, updated 12:00 a.m., August 21, 2003
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As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction -- in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit."Iimplemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them. We wanted to make sure they would never be traced back to us, and we also wanted to frustrate the West by not giving them anything they could make propaganda with.

All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea. Technological documentation, however, would be preserved in microfiche buried in waterproof containers for future reconstruction. Chemical weapons, especially those produced in Third World countries,which lack sophisticated production facilities, often do not retain lethal properties after a few months on the shelf and are routinely dumped anyway. And all chemical weapons plants had a civilian cover making detection difficult, regardless of the circumstances.

The plan included an elaborate propaganda routine. Anyone accusing Moammar Gadhafi of possessing chemical weapons would be ridiculed. Lies, all lies! Come to Libya and see! Our Western left-wing organizations, like the World Peace Council, existed for sole purpose of spreading the propaganda we gave them. These very same groups bray the exact same themes to this day. We always relied on their expertise at organizing large street demonstrations in Western Europe over America'swar-mongering whenever we wanted to distract world attention from the crimes of the vicious regimes we sponsored.

Iraq, in my view, had its own "Sarindar" plan in effect direct from Moscow. It certainly had one in the past. Nicolae Ceausescu told me so, and he heard it from Leonid Brezhnev. KGB chairman Yury Andropov, and later, Gen. Yevgeny Primakov, told me so too. In the late 1970s, Gen. Primakov ran Saddam's weapons programs.


[edit on 8-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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Here is a link to the last article in the above response.

www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by maloy
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But if it makes you feel better to call me a communist - then go right ahead. I have lived under communism, and I know far more about it's pluses and minuses than you ever will.



Well, normally when people have such avatars without any information to say the contrary in fact it is to show that they agree with such ideology, and BTW, I also lived under a Communist regime, and still have family there, and I know very well about all of it's minuses, and there are no pluses under such regimes. That is unless you were part of the Communist dictatorship, then yes you will see pluses in those systems.



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