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Russia, China cooperate on new currency proposals: Kremlin

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posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Russia, China cooperate on new currency proposals: Kremlin


www.terradaily.com

Russia and China are coordinating proposals on a new global currency that could replace the US dollar as a reserve currency to prevent a repeat of the global economic crisis, the Kremlin said on Monday.
"We have received proposals from our colleagues in China, detailed proposals," President Dmitry Medvedev's top economic adviser Arkady Dvorkovich said. "Our positions are very similar.

"We have similar positions on the development of the international financial architecture," he told reporters.

Ahead of the Group of 20 summit in London later this week, the Kremlin has published a raft of proposals to overhaul the global economic order, including plans for a supra-national currency that could replace the US dollar.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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The Chinese, and the Russian governments, alongside others such as the Iranian, and the Venezuelan governments have been for years calling for a new world currency, even some years before the economic crisis began to happen they were making the same calls for a new world currency not dependent on the dollar.

According to the article President Obama is saying that the world doesn't really need to get rid of the dollar, and the response of the two Communist countries is that it should also be the decision of the other nations in the world.

Are the disagreements truly happening, or is this just "for show" ?

One thing is certain, until now neither the decisions of the present administration, or the decisions the last administration made regarding the economic crisis hade made much sense, and the new administration seems to be hell-bend on destroying, rather than saving the dollar.

It is true what The Russians say that other nations should have a say, but do not get convinced that the Russians, and the Chinese want, or will make a better world if their economy is chosen.

Remember the blackmailing that the Russian did this past/current winter when they cut off the much needed gas that many European nations required to keep their population warm, because if the Chinese and Russian economy was to be chosen we would see more events like that one, and maybe worse.



www.terradaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


[edit on 2-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Russia is still communist?

*one confuzed Canadian..*



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by xbranscombex
Russia is still communist?

*one confuzed Canadian..*


When did it stopped being Communist? The same people who were in power when it was viewed by all as Communists are in power now. The Kremlin still exists, the KGB is now the mafia and is in control together with the Kremlim.

Russian reporters are assassinated by the government when they speak of the truth that is happening in Russia, and even people outside Russia have been assassinated by TPTB in Russia.

Remember Alexander Litvinenko who was assassinated when he was given radioactive polonium-210 to ingest?

He had been speaking the truth about the government in Russia, when he accussed Putin, and the government of assassinating Russian journalists such as Anna Politkovskaya, as well as committing other murders and terrorist acts.

Litivenko was murdered outside Russia, in England.

Now more than ever the Russian people hate Capitalism, because it has been rigged by the Russian Communist so their people will learn to hate it once again, and for the Communist system to be revived.

Putin has always talked about missing the old days when Russia was Communist and the system had more control.

There have been Russian official defectors such as Anatoliy Golitsyn who have told the west for many decades that the Communist system had agreed on a long term plan to decieve the west.

Even thou Golitsyn had given very reliable information to the west about Russia, and double agent spies, he was described as a "conspiracy theorist" by some in the intelligence community such as Britain's MI5 Christopher Andrew, because Golitsyn stated for years that the "Sino-Soviet split was a charade to deceive the West".

In 1984, after decades of the west not believing tha the Communist apparatus could decieve the west as Golitsyn, and other Russian defectors stated, Golitsyn decided to go public, since the western intelligence communisites did not want to believe Golitsyn in this, even if he had given very reliable information in the past.

Everything that Golitsyn said in his book would happen, has happened or is unfolding as we speak.



Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

...........
Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States.8 The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.

www.umd.umich.edu...



[edit on 2-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Smells like Scorcha Faal to me.

I will dig a little...



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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Russia supports the idea of setting up a new currency because the current Russian Rouble is highly unstable and it is unlikely that it will gain the much needed stability by itself, especially considering the low energy prices.

It would make the most sense for Russia to set up a trading currency together with other energy exporters like OPEC, so that the oil is no longer based on the dollar.

However I believe the current talks of a multi-national currency will not lead to anything, especially not with China.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
When did it stopped being Communist? The same people who were in power when it was viewed by all as Communists are in power now.


Oh boy. If you think communists are in control of Russia today, you must be seriously misinformed about what took place in Russia in the early 1990's. I am specifically referring to the 1991 coup attempt which put an end to communism in Russia for good. The communists tried to regain power by staging a coup against Gorbachev in Moscow in 1991. They failed however, and many were forever removed from politics. The main figure who stopped the coup was Yeltsin. Putin is a successor of Yeltsin and was himself installed into power by Yeltsin in 2000. Putin and his party cannot be considered communists in any sense, and not even socialists.

Read up on it:

en.wikipedia.org...'%C3%A9tat_attempt

I am not saying Russia is a democracy, but the communists are not in power today. Yes some current politicians were members of the communism party before the 1990's - but then almost everyone in Russia was. In case you didn't know - there is a real communist party in Russia - headed by Zyuganov. They are fairly popular, getting between 10-20% during Presidential elections.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The same people who were in power when it was viewed by all as Communists are in power now.


By "all" you must mean the disinformed hordes in the West who have little knowledge of Russian internal politics.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
the KGB is now the mafia and is in control together with the Kremlim.


KGB has been disbanded over a decade ago in case you didn't know. The main intelligence agencies now are FSB and GRU. They are nowhere near as powerful as KGB was. The true "mafia" that controls Russia now - are the new oligarchs placed in charge by Putin - most of whom are Parliamentary members of the United Russia Party.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Russian reporters are assassinated by the government when they speak of the truth that is happening in Russia, and even people outside Russia have been assassinated by TPTB in Russia.


Journalists are assassinated for many reasons around the world. Has the Russian government sponsored any assassinations? Very possible. But many journalists in Russia are assassinated by other individuals such as oligarchs. And there are many knows critics of Putin in Russia among the press, many of whom live fine in the open. Take the news agency "Radio Echo of Moscow" for example.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Remember Alexander Litvinenko who was assassinated when he was given radioactive polonium-210 to ingest?


Litvinenko was not a journalist. He was a traitor who betrayed him country and then fled. He was a small-rank member of the KGB, and sold out to the richest Russian oligarch Berezovsky when there was a power struggle between the Russian government and the oligarchs.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
government of assassinating Russian journalists such as Anna Politkovskaya, as well as committing other murders and terrorist acts.


There is an agreement among Kremlin's critics now that she was assassinated on the orders of the pro-Russian Chechen leader Kadyrov. He personally threatened her with death shortly before, and he had people working for him in Moscow. The government is guilty is that it largely turned a blind eye on his actions.




Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Now more than ever the Russian people hate Capitalism, because it has been rigged by the Russian Communist so their people will learn to hate it once again, and for the Communist system to be revived.


HAHAHAHA. Good one - "rigged by communism". Even the most diehard capitalists like the US and UK are gradually turning towards socialism right now with the government assuming more and more control over the economy. Even in the West many are starting to doubt the sustainability of growth under pure capitalism. Russians don't so much hate Capitalism, as they are disappointed with it. No one in politics is proposing that Russia go back to communism though.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Putin has always talked about missing the old days when Russia was Communist and the system had more control.


He never talked about that. One speech where he stated that rapid transition from communism to capitalism wrecked havoc in Russia was largely mistranslated by Western media.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
There have been Russian official defectors such as Anatoliy Golitsyn who have told the west for many decades that the Communist system had agreed on a long term plan to decieve the west.


Golitsyn is a pathetic attention whore who will tell you anything you want as long as you pat him on the back and give him a place to live in your country. He is nobody who made a joke of himself with his outrageous bull#. Quoting him is the same as quoting your next door neighbor bum who will tell you that he was abducted by alliens if he can make a dime off of it.


Again - communism in Russia is gone, and so are those who ruled the country back then. I know, because I lived through it. I was in Moscow during the coup of 1991. I saw the once respected and honored communist politicians trying to regain control only to fail miserably, and then being ousted from politics one by one. They were ousted by the same people who eventually placed Putin in power. In fact the KGB in which Putin was working at the time, turned its back on the communists and threw support behind Yeltsin.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by xbranscombex
Russia is still communist?

*one confuzed Canadian..*


Every time I read about the "Communists" into currently news and posts I think.. Amazing McCarthyism propaganda 50 years later still going on. Fear really is a powerful thing



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Smells like Scorcha Faal to me.

I will dig a little...


It has nothing to do with this "Scorcha Faal"...

There are, and have been Russian, and Chinese officials who have defected to the west, and told similar stories...



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by blackcube

Every time I read about the "Communists" into currently news and posts I think.. Amazing McCarthyism propaganda 50 years later still going on. Fear really is a powerful thing


This is like trying to claim that white Supremacists don't exist....

Yes there are Communist regimes, and obviously you haven't lived in one.

i guess you are one of those sucker who stands and believe in blind senator Barbara Boxer who claimed to the world and in a house session meeting that "Communism doesn't exist anymore"...


Tell that to my family, and to the millions of people still living under Communist dictatorships...



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Well they can call for it all they want the problem is that they hold billions worth of dollars and if they start to dump them they will loose billions in any transfer not a smart move right now considering the state of the global financial situation.


[edit on 3-4-2009 by SLAYER69]



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