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reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 07:54 PM by ANNED
You could not RFID a rifle round on the outside for many reasons one being everyone would see the RFID chip. A simple knife scratch through the circuit would kill it.

Putting the chip on the inside of a round would not work as the metal case would act as a RF shield and block the signal. think Faraday cage.
en.wikipedia.org...
this is the trick shoplifters use by lining a bag with foil to defeat the store RFID tag scanners at the doors

Yes you could RFID guns but they would have to be very careful in that a RFID scanner would find the tag if people found out.
Then the tag could be burned out with microwave energy.

I have been playing with RFID tag of all types just to see ways to use them for other then the intended perpuses.
Also how to block them, defuse them and build them for fun.

[edit on 24-3-2009 by ANNED]


reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 08:09 PM by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by fixer1967
Is there a simple device that can tell you if a RFID chip is near by or not?


RFDump is a backend GPL tool to directly interoperate with any RFID ISO-Reader to make the contents stored on RFID tags accessible. This makes the following types of audits possible:

* Test robustness of data-structures on the reader and the backend-application
* Proof-of-concept manipulations of RFID tag contents
* Clone / copy & paste User-Data stored on RFID tags
* Audit tag-security features

www.rf-dump.org...

RE: this ammo at gun shows, nearly every centerfire rifle cartridge is "armor piercing" so that's not unusual. Also, "incendiaries" are pretty common. Tracers are fun and things like "dragons breath" are great ways for idiots to ruin their barrels. Note, there is no shortage of idiots.

As to uncommon calibers ">=.223" well, greater than .223 encompasses what essentially amounts to an infinite number of different calibers.

I dont think it's feasible. Which isnt to say I dont think they'd try to do this. "They" are generally incredibly stupid and consider the programs with the least quality results costing the most money to be the most successful.


reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 08:10 PM by GhostR1der
reply to post by ANNED



I was also thinking that too - the bullet casing would likely stop RFID from working. Or just microwave them first

I do think however, weapons could be, but if you are cleaning them well, wouldn't you find the RFID chip in the process....


reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 08:33 PM by fixer1967
reply to post by thisguyrighthere




I really do not want to read what is on the chip but just to know it is there. I was think of some like this
www.wifi-finder.net...
which is for WI-FI but it would be for RFID chips. Without a RFID detector you have to asssume that EVERY thing around you is chipped. I would like to know what is and is not chipped.


reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 09:15 PM by ANNED
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by fixer1967
Is there a simple device that can tell you if a RFID chip is near by or not?


RFDump is a backend GPL tool to directly interoperate with any RFID ISO-Reader to make the contents stored on RFID tags accessible. This makes the following types of audits possible:

* Test robustness of data-structures on the reader and the backend-application
* Proof-of-concept manipulations of RFID tag contents
* Clone / copy & paste User-Data stored on RFID tags
* Audit tag-security features

www.rf-dump.org...


This would be fun walking around and blanking RFID tags or even reading RFID tags on trucks and railroad cars and a thief could do a number with something like this.

Some companies use RFID tags to control the security gates at there property some police departments and gated comunties use them too.
www.identity-theft-awareness.com...
news.thomasnet.com...
www.amtel-security.com...

Just walk into a store and copy the RFID reading on a cheap idem and then clone it to a expensive items RFID tag

Or with ammo or weapons just change the RFID reading to read something else non weapons-ammo related or blank it.

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