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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Nope. Even a farmer growing for his own consumption 'affects commerce' according to the SCOTUS and is subject to federal authority through the "Commerce Clause"

Yes, in fact, the Commerce Clause is the excuse they use for every Socialist move that the government uses. They even used that clause to justify Medicare, and will use it for Obama's "health care provisions.
The Constitution of the US has been trashed by the SCOTUS, Congress, AND the last several presidents.

In fact, Article 1 section 8 gives no such power for Congress to enact such laws, but the activist SCOTUS has REWRITTEN, in effect, A1 S8. They have committed TREASON, but who can hold them accountable, as the highest court in the land?




posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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The Constitution doesn't even give the SCOTUS the power it has wielded over our laws (enacted by Congress) that it has assumed for itself!

Ever since Marbury v. Madison, we have been at the mercy of a group of men and women with no "check" to "balance" their power. And they've been wrong more than right!

Time for a "change?" I "hope" so, but it won't come from BHO & Co.

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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Why is Monsanto so obsessed with stopping people eating natural foods? They are up to something extremely sinister...

If they get their way, the only way you will be able to produce natural food is to grow it hydroponically in some secret location, and no doubt you will go to prison if you are caught.

Think I'm joking? Give it a year or two...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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I wish I were as optimistic as you, but I see Obama making "food safety" another of the "crises" that present such opportunities for his social(ist) engineering.

There's been so much said recently about the intrusion of Gov't into our lives, that this thread probably relates to at least a half-dozen others.

"Americans Mobilize"
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

"Rule by Crisis"
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Sound familiar?

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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It will be sooner than you think. Two years out may be too far. And there's a related act making its way through committees that is even more intrusive and provides the prison time you fear.

It is coming to a garden near you. You won't even be able to give food or preserves away. What happens to Birthday cakes? Homemade fudge? Pitch-ins? This is no joke!

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Well if they close my farm down, im mobiling up for full time awakening and protesting.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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This makes me sick just thinking about it, the backbone of the U.S. is the farmers, break the farmers, and this country WILL be in a Revolution.

I'm just going to IGNORE all these stupid laws. I'm going to plant my garden like i always do, and if i go to jail, so be it......at least i'll get 3 meals a day.

This sounds like Ethiopian Mentality and we know what happened in Ethiopia.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by tiso_usThis sounds like Ethiopian Mentality and we know what happened in Ethiopia.


Maybe BHO is homesick?
Trying to make the US as backward as imperialism made his homeland.

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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I only needed to read the thread title to know this was about Monsanto...what they are doing is not recent but certainly flourished under the GWB's Presidency. Most of Europe has banned Monsanto seeds, even Zimbabwe refused shipments of Monsanto grain when they were staring. They want to save their heirlooms...oh and Monsanto can sue farmers whose crops get infected/cross polinated with the terrible products and inviable seeds.

President Obama needs to take a closer look at this. First they starve us, then the ruin our seed, then they sue us and fine us. My garden's about 15 ft. X 15ft. Come seize it, A - holes! I'm using only heirloom seeds, no hybrids. If my garden gets contaminated and all my seeds inert by Monsanto products and pollens floating in the air WHY CAN'Y I SUE THEM??? Do they think they own the air too?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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From what I have seen, from across the pond, all the recent food scares have involved big agribusinesses, NOT small producers and farmers market sales of produce. Since man cultivated his own crops people have been buying or bartering that produce and it has been shared by the communities. To bring in legislation like this that favours, once again, the agribusiness mega-corporations is disgusting and threatens the safe food supply of more than just the continental USA. Before long I expect we'll see the EU trying to introduce similar laws.

Who are they protecting here? Certainly not the consumers, who surely have a right to grow food on their own land and even smallholders should have a right to sell what they grow, and grow it how they like without the interference of the government and it's lawyers.

This is indeed a dangerous move they are making but hopefully brings a step closer their downfall.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Scarcer
As someone said above, the fed has no power over a farmer who sells their produce with in the same state. Can any one locate a legal document stating this?

edit:sorry, been making a lot of misstypes today

[edit on 16-3-2009 by Scarcer]


Since when did the feds care about what the states' rights are? The courts are stacked with Freemasons who rule for the corporates. Under martial law, Presidential executive orders claim the right to confiscate everybody's property. The Zionists are just waiting to trigger something to provide an excuse for martial law, have the troops in place, the camps built, and are just testing the water to see how much resistance they might get from gun owners.

The National ID premises registration is finding many states ready to help the feds destroy the small farms, passing laws mirroring the feds' intent to put small farmers in a straightjacket.

The feds have taken much notice of the increase in the past few years of small farms. People are going back to the land, and the feds are concerned, working to use "food safety" to stop the trend. The consolidation won't be complete until all the small farms are eliminated as well as private gardens. The end goal is to depopulate, herd the culled population into a few urban centers, and use government food rationing to totally control the populace.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 05:26 AM
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You Vill grow Vot Ve tell you to grow Und you Vill like it. OserVise Ve Vill take your home Und your family Vill be out on Zer streets.

Sounds like they don't want healthy food being out in the markets, get ready for the influx of toxic foodstuffs people.
Gut rot and intestinal maladies, birth defects and intelligence reducing additives with every mouthfull.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by tiso_us
I'm just going to IGNORE all these stupid laws. I'm going to plant my garden like i always do, and if i go to jail, so be it......at least i'll get 3 meals a day.


You have my full support with that.


It's just a bit concerning who will be supplying food to the prison...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by DataWraith
Sounds like they don't want healthy food being out in the markets, get ready for the influx of toxic foodstuffs people.
Gut rot and intestinal maladies, birth defects and intelligence reducing additives with every mouthfull.


Yes, that's what they are after. Alex calls it "soft kill."

It's all about eugenics, depopulation. Many people think this is a good thing. The schools, the media, all the mind control agencies promote the idea that humans of Planet Earth just need to die in order to save Mother Gaia.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by ReelView
If a small grower is selling within his state the feds have no authority whatsoever.


The UCC has been extended to cover commercial activity anywhere, not just interstate. You could be growing food on the moon and they still have jurisdiction.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by ReelView
If a small grower is selling within his state the feds have no authority whatsoever.


In fact Wickard vs Filburn explicitly and famously answered this question. In exactly the sort of case you describe, the Supremes decided the feds do have authority under the commerce clause.

Filburn's excess wheat wasn't even for sale, just for his own use and consumption.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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Remember if we voted them in we can vote them out.

I heard on the news yesterday where people are buying veg. packets and planting there own stuff just in case.

We are having all our freedoms taken away and if we don't stand together and stop this madness then they will use us as floor mats and they will continue to wipe there feet on us.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by NuclearPaul
 

It will be sooner than you think. Two years out may be too far. And there's a related act making its way through committees that is even more intrusive and provides the prison time you fear.

It is coming to a garden near you. You won't even be able to give food or preserves away. What happens to Birthday cakes? Homemade fudge? Pitch-ins? This is no joke!

jw


It's already started... and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Homemade Pies Banned From Local Fish Fry

Dept. of Agriculture stops fish fry pie sales

Lenten fish fry hit by 'pie crisis'



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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Just another piece of cruddy legislation that has no bounds and isnt needed in our society.

Honestly, it's the big growers that are contaminating our food, not your local farmers market growers.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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Seems the oppression has already started - see story on link below that has link to Youtube video.

www.naturalnews.com...

Over here in the UK there are still many allotments around where people can rent the space and grow their own produce. With this legislation happening the US, I wonder if something similar is not too far away for the UK residents.





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