Pakistan tribe agrees to hand over Taliban

Pakistan tribe agrees to hand over Taliban

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By HABIB KHAN – 1 hour ago

KHAR, Pakistan (AP) — A tribe in a Pakistani region where the military has fought insurgents has agreed to stop sheltering foreign fighters and hand over local Taliban leaders, authorities said.

Pakistan has previously signed such pacts with tribes in its northwest regions bordering Afghanistan, and they tend to unravel. But Monday's agreement in the Bajur tribal area came after the army said it had defeated insurgents there after six months of fighting.

Bajur is a rumored hiding place of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, and the offensive there has earned praise from American officials who are concerned that militants use Pakistan as a base from which to plan attacks in Afghanistan.

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Well so much for the Pakistanis rolling over for the Taliban man I thought I would never see this day.
OMG I just don't know what to say but WOW So much for their safe haven . There's more

The 28-point pact was signed with the Mamund tribe, which controls a large swath of Bajur and whose ranks have yielded most of the top leaders of the local Taliban. Shafirullah Khan, the top Bajur government official, told reporters that the tribe also agreed to ban the display of heavy weapons. Tribal elders have traditionally had massive influence in Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal regions.

Al-Qaida and Taliban fighters have decimated the elders' ranks, but the Pakistani government has still relied on tribes to help it overcome militants — encouraging the rise of tribal militias, for example. The government also prefers to avoid talking directly to militants, and thus turns to intermediaries including tribal leaders.

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Thats a nice turn of events , finally some good news. As far as Bin Laden , i don't see that happening. He's like the Lee Harvey Oswald, he will be killed for what he knows

Additional Information

Swat? Not!Handing the Swat Valley to the Taliban was shameful and wrong.

A whole new fashion is suddenly upon us. If only, in the confrontation with reactionary Islamism, we could separate the moderate extremists from the really extreme extremists. In the last few days, we have heard President Barack Obama musing about a distinction between good and bad Taliban, the British government insisting on a difference between Hezbollah the political party and Hezbollah the militia, and Fareed Zakaria saying that the best way of stopping the militants may be to allow them to run things in their own way, since an appetite for the imposition of sharia does not equate to a thirst for global jihad and may even partially slake that thirst.

I will believe it when I see it. Words arent good enough for me anymore, I want their heads on a platter. Why didnt we just send in Chuck Norris?
This would have been a whole lot easier if we did.

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Because we would of asked Chuck Norris to defeat the insurgency in Afghanistan,
He would of returned with half of Asia in ruins..

You know even if it is a isolated incident it's still amazing that they would do that with Muslim sharia law. I guess their guests just got a little too upity!

Oh well. I hope this works though, eventhough Im not expecting it to.
Maybe since wehave the Messiah as a president now, everyone is just willing to cooperate in fear of going to hell. Chuck For Prez!

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Oh God please not another lame Chuck Norris thread the first one was so bad it made my nose bleed

I cant seem to find any other sources on this topic hmmm


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What if this is all a setup to take our minds off of whats going on and to make obama look like an amazing leader? I mean finding osama within a few months of being president with give him a large boost and the media would have a frenzy with the story. I love it when a dog wags its tail.

It seems that maybe that tribe made this deal just in the neck of time good for them

Well here is something kind of related

US VP to discuss Afghanistan with NATO, EU

BRUSSELS: U.S. Vice President Joe Biden consults with top NATO and European Union officials Tuesday about international efforts to step up the fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Biden was to address NATO's main decision making body, the North Atlantic Council, and to meet with Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO's outgoing secretary general, over the alliance's military strategy in Afghanistan.

His trip comes less than a week after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton visited NATO and EU headquarters, highlighting the new priority that diplomatic outreach to allies has become for Washington.

Tuesday's visit is Biden's second trip to Europe since he took office. He was in Munich, Germany, in February, where he pushed for closer U.S.-European relations.

A top issue Tuesday will be the Afghan war and growing concern that neighboring Pakistan could be sliding further into instability.

Originally posted by Common Good
I will believe it when I see it. Words arent good enough for me anymore, I want their heads on a platter. Why didnt we just send in Chuck Norris?
This would have been a whole lot easier if we did.

Whos heads?

Do you guys really know what you are talking about anymore or is that sheep thing that people on ATS is talking about is really true. You guys really need to stop watching TV, give it a try for couple of weeks see if you can last. Rambo and the terminator must have really affected your brain.

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first of all, I am not speaking on my own personal beliefs but on the topic of the conversation.
Second of all, you are an ass.
Im sure you are the type of person that walks around everyday thinking you are smarter than the next person, when really, you are just a two bit whack job that needs to chill out on the overdosing of man on man porn.
People like you make me want to

EDIT: I know after you read that, you felt a sense of pride. Listen, we all know about the whole "911 was an inside job" stuff, we all know about the planted explosives, we all know about the cutting of thebeams at a 45 degree angle, we all know! You aint the only slick willy around here =)
Ok, you can go now.

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hahaha sorry man, its his birthday!!!
Viva revolution.

Originally posted by Common Good
reply to post by Ownification

 

first of all, I am not speaking on my own personal beliefs but on the topic of the conversation.
Second of all, you are an ass.
Im sure you are the type of person that walks around everyday thinking you are smarter than the next person, when really, you are just a two bit whack job that needs to chill out on the overdosing of man on man porn.
People like you make me want to

OK mr BJ lets make this simple:

I want their heads on a platter

I want all the republican heads on a platter, not the candidates, all. Get what I mean, it is offencive.

No I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, infact I believe the opposite to be true. If I was smarter than everyone else I wouldn't hang around ATS where members believe in Aliens and wack jobs who are controlling us through variouse methods. We don't know the methods because it happens behind closed doors hence conspiracies. Get what I mean?

I want all the republican heads on a platter, not the candidates, all. Get what I mean, it is offencive.

No I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, infact I believe the opposite to be true. If I was smarter than everyone else I wouldn't hang around ATS where members believe in Aliens and wack jobs who are controlling us through variouse methods. We don't know the methods because it happens behind closed doors hence conspiracies. Get what I mean?

Ok, Ima try n make this as simple as I can for you.
When I said "I want their heads on a platter"..I meant I will believe it when I see their(terrorists) heads on a platter. This thread afterall, is about handing over "terrorists". So I WILL believe it, When I see it, got me?
Oh and another thing...I think the majority of the people on this site are the exact opposite of what you say. Yea a lot of us believe in UFOs, dont you ? Does the majority of peopleon ATS think they are "being controlled by wack jobs by various means'? No, i dont believe they Do.
What I do see though is this...people on ATS wanting the truth. Thats all this is about, is the truth, because none of us know what the truth is anymore. Even when it comes to 911...people say it was the govt...but even if it wasnt the terrorists, whos to say it was the Govt who did it? Could it have been someone else? It can never end, and will never end. It just gives people something to talk about and something to do in order to fulfill self achievement. Also, I highly doubt the Majority of people on here take everything they hear from their TV as reality. For those who do, ok, thats their choice, but you are nobody to criticize someone else for not caring about the same things you do. Some people just dont give a &$%^.
Me personally, I havebeen in the Marines, I know what its like on that side of the fence. I have seen many things that normal people question if its reality. Sometimes I hear things that are so crazy I just laugh it off, but I never, ever criticize people for seeking the truth. Some people will die for what they believe in, others wont because all they care about is themselves. Ever heard that saying "dont hate the player, hate the game"? There is enough hate in this world right now, people on here dont need their names thrown around in the mud just because of someone giving their opinion. Out of all of the people in this world, i think people here on ATS are decent people, over achievers who search for truth for the good of the people, not themselves. Im not hating on you, I just think that some of those things you said was really disrespectful to the people on this site.

EDIT: sorry for going off topic.

On Topic-I just hope something good comes out of this deal, and that it will indeed handover people that they say are responsible for this act, regardless if I believe they did it or not. This is their chance to prove to the American people that what they say is true. If not, I feel the people wont be able to tollerate it much longer and lash out on their govt. for being kept out of the loop.

[edit on 10-3-2009 by Common Good]

An agreement like this would course the area of Bajur to become unstable. It is not as simple as just "handing over" the Taliban, there will be retaliation and more civilian deaths will occur.

If you would like to understand the conditions of Swat valley, which is now a designated area for Sharia law:
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Bajur is a strong point for Taliban access to Afghanistan. Reports show that the military effort in NW Pakistan has been successful however Swat is different. I presume that the 'remaining insurgents' would flee to Swat and the Taliban will be concentrated in one area. From here, they would lose any power over Afghanistan and they will turn to Pakistan. This is a dangerous situation that could course more trouble.

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Great point but at this point I'm not exactly sure who really wants them it seems to me that they are looking for a home this isn't like a well supplied force more like somebody who is really starting o feel some heat.
Only time will tell

I say stay tuned.

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A great point and it has already started. The Taliban is not taking being "handed over" lightly.

Taliban Executes Troops

The Pakistani military and the Taliban fought intense battles over the weekend in two of the tribal agencies where the government claims to have defeated the extremist group.

Taliban forces under the command of Mohmand leader Omar Khalid killed or captured late Saturday night 17 members of the Khasadar Force, a lightly armed paramilitary police unit, along with three government officials.

The Khasadar had been dispatched to the home of a local tribal leader after the Taliban surrounded his home. The Taliban attacked the tribal leader because he has helped the government in the past and had recently welcomed the Mohmand political agent and the commander of the Frontier Corps' Mohmand Rifles into his home

As you said - only time will tell if this effort succeeds or not. The previous deal failed due to the pressure of the Taliban.

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See that's just my point with that kind of retaliations and atrocities whose going to really want these guys around? Some those troops have families from those areas the Taliban are hiding in that just makes people angry.

Would you hide and help somebody that killed some of your own family members?