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Originally posted by JesusisTruth
2. God Jesus calls himself God throughout the NT and the apostles do, and phillipians 2 says he came as a servant but is equal to God.
psalms 82
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
To quote from a book written by man and to state is is Gods word is a bit insane. Read Romans...it is about man controlling man. Most of the quotes by Jesus have been twisted and manipulated by the time they made it to the bible in order to from control.
Psalm 27
1The LORD is my light and my salvation;
Whom shall I fear?
The LORD is the defense of my life;
Whom shall I dread?
2When evildoers came upon me to devour my flesh,
My adversaries and my enemies, they stumbled and fell.
3Though a host encamp against me,
My heart will not fear;
Though war arise against me,
In spite of this I shall be confident.
John 14
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
27 "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.
John 17
17 "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
A man lives his entire life doing good to others all for selfless reasons. He raised a wonderful family and never commits any sin. Just for arguments sake let us say he lived a perfect life. This man also rejects Christianity and Jesus completely because his free will tells him it is for control.
Will he go to heaven? Or hell?
Then you have a man that is the complete opposite. Commits sin after sin raises a selfish family and lives a self serving life. At the end though he realizes he was wrong and repents.
Jeremiah 17
9 "The heart is more deceitful than all else
And is desperately sick;
Who can understand it?
Romans 3
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
James 2
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. (again)
John 3
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 20
1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
2 "When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 "And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place;
4 and to those he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' And so they went.
5 "Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing.
6 "And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day long?'
7 "They said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.'
8 "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last group to the first.'
9 "When those hired about the eleventh hour came, each one received a denarius.
10 "When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius.
11 "When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner,
12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.'
13 "But he answered and said to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
15 'Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?'
16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last."
Isaiah 55
8"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
9"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
An evil person is one that lives with perfect knowledge and never has a doubt.
Originally posted by Nammu
I've got a question and I need the help of Christians to understand this. I've put this questions to a few Christians and can't get a satisfactory answer.
If the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same thing, and Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me", surely if you worship God instead of Jesus then you still get to heaven? Because they're all the same thing.
I mean, I think Jesus was a good guy but personally i'd prefer to stick with the big entity of what i envision God being.
Christians have told me that means I don't get into heaven cause i'm not accepting Jesus. But Jesus is God, supposedly. So how does that work then?
Originally posted by Nammu
But a lot of Christians do think this way. And i'd like to know what the reasoning is that you can get to Heaven only through Jesus, but Jesus is God, but you somehow don't get in through God.
It's really confusing.
Originally posted by Nammu
If the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same thing, and Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me", surely if you worship God instead of Jesus then you still get to heaven? Because they're all the same thing.