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Originally posted by teklordz
UFO hunters is a great tv show. Here a clip on google video about large ufo's , from the tv show...
Pretty amazing stuff these pilots encountered...
Originally posted by atsbeliever
Bob Lazaar is the man who really brought area 51 into the light. Personally he's always sounded credible to me and I think it would be very easy for the people in control to totally erase his history and make him seen like a loon.
Originally posted by geo1066
... I thought the bit on that new huge hanger was interesting.
Originally posted by jackphotohobby
reply to post by hisshadow
The world of secret government projects is quite parochial, because of that I am more likely to believe that vetting is imperfect, and that people without hard scientific credentials could be employed as part of secret projects. I think it is possible for someone with poor scientific credentials to be employed, particularly by subcontractors, adjacent or in tertiary roles to somewhere like Area 51. But not as a scientist. Generally even people who are qualified as scientists don't call themselves scientists unless they're actively engaging in science.
As far as I can see Lazars stories are just stories. His disappearing academic credentials are indicative of all of his Area 51 stories. It would be very difficult to attend any top universities without coming in to contact with other people. I don't know anyone who doesn't keep the certificates for their qualifications – there's too much work involved with getting them to not have a sense of pride. It would be like someone doing a marathon and not keeping the certificate. So I would expect other classmates to vouch for him and for Lazar to be able to produce certificates. Even in the event of a cover up. At the very least he should be able to produce his MS thesis.
His claims about element 115 don't add up either, from what I've read about elements over 100 and their half-life.
Over-all, in totality, I'm very sceptical of him.
Bob Lazar's "poor scientific credentials" are dubious only due to his records being erased...which can happen when top classified projects are a priority and keeping the "nothin's goin' on" status quoe.
George Knapp, who first interviewed him in '89 for the CBS affiliate KLAS-TV news, dug up that Lazar did in fact work at Los Alamos (they repeatedly denied this) by finding his name listed in their phone book and employees vouching that he did work there as well as former Area 51 employees corroborating his details and layout of the secret base.
I don't think one can work at a place like Los Alamos without having the scientific background and passing their rigorous/screening/interview/background checks.
As far as Lazar having a publicity motive, that's ridiculous. Lazar dodged reporters for months after anonymously coming forward. Then interviewed later, disguised. Finally, revealing himself later after attempts to intimidate him were ramping up.
He had little to gain, actually being worse off for stepping forward. That takes alot of balls. Most people would not endure what he has.
As far as what he says about element 115 not adding up according to what you (jackphotohobby ATS member) read...there are alot of things that you will never know about, nor will be able to read about. There's still plenty of things that top scientists will not be able to comprehend for some time, let alone release it.
Gene mapping/genome project was science fiction not too long
Was he an employee of LANL or a subcontractor? I think that he was a subcontractor in a non-essential role. Places such as LANL employ many people who aren't scientists. From office managers to people who clean out the urinals.
Nothing to gain? He wasn't someone I think we ever would have heard of if not for his claims. Making extraordinary claims is a quick was to go from a nobody to a somebody. Most people don't go around making extraordinary, stunningly unverifiable, claims.
I'd love to be wrong. I don't think Lazar has provided anything to change my mind.
So was a great deal of other science fiction that, alas, remains science fiction.
I still want my rocket car and have a bit of a thing for green women.