2012 is not even close to the biggest hoax of all time. Period. Most non-spiritual people on ATS would tell you that.

I will say this as fact for your knowledge and know that this is not an attack. I'm calling a spade a spade. You're threads are transparent. Your motives and objectives are clear to those who see. Why do you knowingly choose to "fight" this "fight"?

No need to respond, I won't be back but I hope you seriously reevaluate your overall position, for your sake.

Everyone hang on to all the 2012 stuff you might have bought. If after 2012 nothing happens, your great grand children might be able to sell that stuff for a small fortune.

And if 2012 stuff happens, those books may become our new "Bible" so to speak, but we probably will not need books then?

It will probably be just another day...........

a successful apocalyptic prophecy is one that doesn't come true.

you are given prophecies to try to prevent them from coming to pass. That is the point. If everything was supposed to stay all hunky doory all the time then there would be no need for prophecies.

I suggest every single person in the world research till they know everything there is to know about whatever they intend to talk about then make a point.

Don't speak out of fear and call it knowledge or wisdom. You WANT to believe it is a hoax and you are scared to death you may be wrong. If something does happen, do you want to be one of those that says, "oh #, I guess I was wrong. Now I and everyone who believed me is screwed" or do you want to say, "Hey, look at that. Nothing happened. Ok. Cool. I guess I will just continue doing the same thing I did yesterday."

It is good to be educated. Belief really doesn't matter to anyone but you because that is a choice you make. But, be educated and informed of everything you can get your hands or eyes on and nothing will ever catch you off guard. What you believe is for you and you alone. But knowledge can be obtained by anyone. Getting people to believe what you believe is vanity. Educating yourself is enlightenment no matter what you educate yourself about. And it is for you to interpret for yourself. You will not and cannot have the exact same interpretation as someone else because you do not have the same mind or heart or body or soul or lifetime of experiences. Share your experiences and your thoughts but never, ever put someone else's beliefs down because in a sense they are all the same. The truth is the same everywhere, it is the interpretations that can be wrong or mislead. I learned a very important lesson once and it has always served me well when it comes to social interactions. Never tell anyone you hate something they love. If you practice this then most of your incidents of social retardation will just go away. People will see you as someone they want to respect because you respect them.

2012...people knew about before you did. Do you really think your opinion of it matters to anyone but you? Do you think the universe is going to change or suddenly wake and take notice of you because you don't believe it will happen? Your disbelief says only one thing...you don't believe. OK. Big deal. Did you just come here to insult people or do you have something really enlightening to add to the human universe of thought?

Hey, I went through my dark times too. Stop fighting it because that darkness inside you is like a black hole. The only way to get to anything lighter than what you know now is let go and pass through the other side. You can't fight a black hole. That darkness will eat you alive and ruin every relationship you have and I don't want that for anyone. Pass through the darkness in you and come out with a new perspective.

Big point and the only truth: You don't know. You can't. Belief is flimsy and whimsical. Facts are static. We are not allowed to KNOW anything. We can assume, believe, speculate, ponder and many other human invented words and concepts. But the real point is, none of us know.

Belief is flimsy. Let go of the reed and see where the river takes you whether you believe it will be good or bad or nothing. Or don't. You have to live your life and if you are happy in this state of mind then more power to you. I don't know why you have to broadcast your whimsical beliefs as fact though.

Ha ha. You couldn't be more wrong. All of you who think you KNOW anything. You can't. You are not so special to be graced with the absolute knowledge of the universe. And neither am I. I am just OK with it. So blah blah blah. Keep prattling on if it makes you feel better but what you are really doing is wasting what precious time here you have on something that doesn't really matter. Find your own truth and never step on anyone else's. Live in peace, love in life and have respect for ALL things.

chance favors the prepared mind

My question to the 2012 believers:

The world may end at some point... but why 2012 in particular?

I think there are a couple of different view points on the 2012 deal.

Group one:

This is the doom and gloomers or scare mongers. Chicken Little....
These are likely the same people who thought the end was going to be in year 2000. When this did not happen, they searched for the next possible date which happened to be 2012. Most have only read the part of the Mayan "theory" which says the last date is 12 21 2012.
This group now grabs everything possible, real or imagined to promote end times doom. The fear factor. These I believe are whom you speak of.


Group two:

Those who have read past the last Mayan date, where it states that a cycle is ending and a new age begins. Where we shed this physical being and tranform into something new. It is viewed as a positive event.

There is some not so good things that may happen prior to or leading up to it but in the end a good thing.

There is also some Hopi elders who agree with the Mayans and say their prophecy is coming to the end as well.

Then there is new agers who would also agree with the spirituallity aspect and change in consciousness.

Additionally there is the religious aspect or believers who read the signs as the ones mentioned in the book of revelations. This book offers no date, only signs and some appear to be fitting in. These signs and this story are remarkably similar to the end time prophecy's within all three major religions. End times--> bad things---> battle with devil/evil ---> saved by . Then life is good.

There is also some lesser known more obscure groups who also have a similar story or prophecy.

Now throw in all of the self proclaimed psychics including the webbot who have backed this 2012 date.

And lastly we have something sort of new. The galactic group of alleged alien contacts who have also backed this up and added their intervention at some point.

Group one has grabbed every worse case scenario from each of these and thrown it all together to scare the crap out of anyone willing to buy.

With all of these different sources I think this particular date has a little more ground then that of 2000 or 1000 or any of the other 200 dates predicted in the past which were mostly all selected based on either one person or one group(save for 2000 which included the y2k computer crash).


This of course is my take on it.

I know no one has commented on this thread for a long time, but i am new here and had something to say.

I started out reading about the whole 2012 thing with skepticism years ago.
The thing that struck out at me was:

The Mayan evolution of consciousness.

I don't know but something about that evolution of consciousness chart struck me as damn accurate. And if that's the case, then yes, something big will happen. I can see the timeline and how things have fallen exactly into place just as they have recorded and predicted.
I do see the acceleration.
I do feel as if through our awareness we will create a better world, a golden age, or something.

And all that was said about entering into this golden age was that the current structure would collapse. That lies, unjusts and so forth would no longer be tolerated and the walls of our world would come falling down and that everyone would see this new light. Problem is they say with every great change, comes great disaster. Out with the old and in with the new i suppose.

So last year when Egypt rose and other nations rose up against their leaders i really felt as if though things were starting to happen. And they really are.

If this isn't prophecy being fulfilled, then the powers that be have created the biggest hoax, nonsense, confusion on earth to fulfill some agenda which to them, can usher in a golden age, by being elite, they can eliminate the majority which they feel inferior and they will go on to live in their materialistic world in whatever capacity they like. I for one, am not looking forward to the future with their rule on this planet.

If you can't see what's happening, that's fine and you can bash my opinions all you like. Read up on that mayan evolution of consciousness. It's not the answer but it put things into perspective for me.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I believe that 2012 is the biggest hoax of all time.

I will attempt to present my case as to why 2012 is the greatest hoax of all time in the realm of conspiracy land.

First, the 2012 phenomenon is based on people's deepest fears. People try to impose their philosophies on what the end of the world will be like...

I stopped reading at this point because I dont of anyone or anywhere that states 2012 is the 'end of the world'

Get your facts straight.

It's not so much a hoax than simple marketing, IMO.

Had the same before 2000, and does anyone remember the Nostradamus hype since Nostradamus "predicted" the end of the World 1999?

"End of the World" predictions are going on since the dark ages already, how else do you think did many religions and cults lure the gullible people? They "predicted" the end of the world already 1000s of years ago

The biggest hoax of all time...was the George W. Bush, Jr. presidency; and everything that happened, during his presidency. The joke of it all; was the way he came into office, looking and sounding "intelligent"...and left office, looking like a complete idiot. The beauty of it all....he completely DESTROYED the country...robbed it of all it's gold and silver...quietly exited stage left; and nobody batted an eye. Oh, and did i mention...he started 2 illegal wars, and an invisible war on "terror". But hey, let's blame Obama, right?

The world...as we "knew it"...ended on Sept 11, 2001. The sheeple just haven't realized it, yet. Hey, maybe this year...they'll actually "get it"!