It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

What is Hell

page: 1
1
<<   2 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:57 AM
link   
I want this OP to be about Hell. What is hell according to the bible. Lets use scriptures to prove are point. Is hell a destinion point. Is hell just fire or eternal fire.

I ask because U dont know fully about I believe and I know some of the christian here can give me a better idea.




posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 02:23 AM
link   
A cigarette without a lighter!

Bible version a fairytale cooked up to keep us in line



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:43 AM
link   
well in the greek its called the abussos which is where we get the word abyss

it is also referred to as the "lake of fire"

i read an interesting theory once about how the dead sea is so dense that you wont sink in it and it constantly pushes you to the top, it even used to be referred to as the lake of fire. so if it was on fire you couldnt get swim under the water to get away from the flames and kept being pushed up in to them. the person writing the theory said that could be a possibility but who knows.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:01 AM
link   
you know i cant resist threads like this but i can respond at this exact moment, but i wlll i promise



Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
well in the greek its called the abussos which is where we get the word abyss


what? lol actually its hades



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:51 AM
link   
hmm hell huh?

well what if this is hell?

this reality we think is real, it might be hell and we wouldnt know it.

in order to break out of a prison you must first acknowledge that you are IN one.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 03:25 PM
link   
A rubbish tip?
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 05:46 PM
link   
You know, in some cultures, long ago, all people went to hell after they died. That was just what happened. I think there's also a lot of cross-reference between hades and heaven in history as well.

I don't think hell is a place. Its a state of your soul. I think in terms of my opinion, I'd say this is hell, right here. Heaven is the soul's ability to free itself of this shell and joyride the universe.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:37 AM
link   
Hell is an imaginary place created by aliens known as Reptilians they created the bible and hell to scare us into obeying them so far its turned out good for them the world is corrupted and is controlled by reptilians the reason they want control over earths people is because they dont have any spiritual power like we do instead they have to get it from a physical source hence that why they are here they (reptilians) this is getting of course so im stopping here



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 09:12 AM
link   

Originally posted by 6dark6energy6
Hell is an imaginary place created by aliens known as Reptilians they created the bible and hell to scare us into obeying them so far its turned out good for them the world is corrupted and is controlled by reptilians the reason they want control over earths people is because they dont have any spiritual power like we do instead they have to get it from a physical source hence that why they are here they (reptilians) this is getting of course so im stopping here


I have heard of that Reptilian idea before and it brings some things to mind.

The limbic system of our brains is considered reptilian.

Carl Sagan mentions in The Dragons of Eden that belief in monsters like dragons had been carried forth through the ages and has instinctive roots.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 02:17 AM
link   
I'm gonna beat miriam to the punch because I know she knows the truth about hell. The bible really does say what hell is. You just gotta read the greek and hebrew words that the english translate to hell. I'm fixing to take you all to school right now. Hell is not an everlasting torment in fire or heat. There are 4 words in the hebrew and greek that translate to "hell" in english.

1. The hebrew word "SHEOL" is the only word in the old testament translated to "hell" but if you translate it correctly it means "death" or "grave". When you die, you go to hell.

2. The greek word "HADES" means the exact thing that "SHEOL" means. "Death" or "grave".

3. The greek word "TARTARUS" used only in 2 Peter 2:4 means "abyss" or "place of confinement". Peter was using this word to explain the temporary confinement of fallen angels or demons while the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth was taking place.

4. The greek word "GEHENNA" comes from the hebrew word "ge-Hinnom" which translates "Valley of Hinnom." A place on the southwest side of Jerusalem in the time of Jesus that was used as the city dump. Trash, animal corpses, and the dead bodies of criminals would be thrown here and were constantly burning. Jesus used this term to explain the "Lake of Fire" which, if you read Revelation 21:8 you will learn is known as the "second death". This "second death" happens only after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth when the "White Throne Judgement" takes place. It's either life or death for you. It's your choice at the time.

So, you don't go to heaven or hell the moment you die. Hell is used mostly to explain death in the bible with a few exceptions like abyss or fire. You will not be tormented forever and ever in this fire. It is a second death. If you burn forever, it's another form of everlasting life.... just not a fun life. So there you have it. I have unveiled the truth on "HELL" a word that should never be used in the bible. That word and it's fantasy torment comes from the greek and roman pagans. Goodnight and God bless.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 02:24 AM
link   
No don't listen to dark 6. reptillians are an idea created by the ones saint paul talks about in the bible.

" their consciences are sheered like an iron "

and it's a tool they themselves use because their understanding is gone. Understanding is a grace as is love.

Now Hell is nothing more then the place souls go who choose to and who don't want to worship God. it's a place for evil people with no love and justice.


If reptillians are correct and hell is a tool to (control) people. Number one, it's a darn good idea because it makes people strive for love and good.

and number two, then what does the reptiallians do with evil people? They are unruley in society, they can't be tamed, it's impossible to have true peace if everybody exist after death.

and what they don't realize is that the reason they can't be tamed is because it's a rebllion, which means they have no grace and love in their souls.

I don't let disrupters live with me, neither does God let them live with him.



Is it fire?

I'm going to explain this, I don't think youll understand it but I'll try anyways.

Ok when we suffer what do we do?

we scream.

Now follow me here.

It's because graceful souls can handle suffering and un graceful cannot. Have you ever seen anyone who can handle tuff situations, troubles like they have something in them?

It's grace.

So in hell the slightest suffering will cause screaming since even on Earth we live in comfort yet we still scream and still have those ungraceful moments. Just imagine without the comfort and so forth what will happen


And so there are some souls (worthy) of hell fire. Some just go to darkness as I hear from the saints.

meaning they were so greedy and evil on earth that hell fire is worthy of them and they are worth the uncomfort.


Others go to darkness. Sin makes a mind and soul dark. rememebr when you were kids, how much light you had in your souls and fun?

It's not always the same when you get old, you don't cry as much, love disappears, the fealings go away.

It's because sin that doesn't happen when you were kids, fills the soul and takes God away leaving darkness.


and so that part of hell is for the less evil people.



long story short.

Hell is just and God will show you after death why.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 02:47 AM
link   
Did you not even read my post? I don't know where you heard your story about hell but it sounds like the ancient greek and roman visions of hell that were adopted by the Roman Catholic Church. The bible does not talk about everlasting torment or darkness when talking about hell. Our soul doesn't even separate from our body when we die. Our body and soul are one. When we die and go to the grave, our soul is still with us. It isn't until the 2nd resurrection that the judgement happens and God determines the just from unjust. The unjust are thrown into a lake of fire known as the second death (Revelation 21:8). The just transfigure to spirit form and aquire everlasting life as did the saints in the first resurrection. Your idea of hell comes from the catholic church and has no biblical backing to it. I don't mean to call B.S. on you because I'm sure you didn't know but please look at the facts and learn the truth. To accept this truth will turn your beliefs upside down but will not turn you from God or Lord Jesus Christ. May God guide you to the truth.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 04:00 AM
link   

If reptillians are correct and hell is a tool to (control) people. Number one, it's a darn good idea because it makes people strive for love and good.



That sounds like end-justifies-means which has often caused grief historically.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 05:01 AM
link   
Yeah, it sounds like rubbish to me. Reptilian alien species? I didn't come from some alien. Just like I didn't come from some monkey or gorilla. Hell is the very end for the unjust. A death sentence. Hell on earth may sound accurate to most but it's nothing more than a sauna bath compared to the real and temporary hell after judgement. Reptilian? Don't make me laugh!



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 10:16 AM
link   
reply to post by Locoman8
 


So most can agree that Hades=Hell in translation, but Hades or Hell can be disagreed on by many. I agree with your post, and would like to add this for Christians that cling to the Hellfire doctrine.

Revelation 20:13-14 (New International Version)

13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Thus the question how can hell/Hades be thrown into hell? It can't, thus Hades is the common grave, when the very last person that lived and died good or bad is resurrected from Hades, God is able to kill it symbolically as now, no one will ever go there again. The second death or lake of fire means non-existence, whether it be people or a tangible non-living entity.

Revelation 19:20 (New International Version)

20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

This takes place before the Devil even goes there himself, 1000 years before because Jesus had put him in a type of Jail/abyss see Rev. 20:1-3, in verse 20 he gets released out of prison not hell, to cause more trouble on the earth for a short time then he is finally put into the"lake of fire".

Revelation 20:10 (New International Version)

10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

People misinterpret the last part of the of this verse, because if objects that were never even alive Hell/Hades are in the lake of fire how can they be tormented at all? No just like a person saying "this day will live on in infamy" that day isn't actually alive just that it is remembered in a very bad way.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:39 AM
link   

Originally posted by Locoman8
Yeah, it sounds like rubbish to me. Reptilian alien species? I didn't come from some alien. Just like I didn't come from some monkey or gorilla. Hell is the very end for the unjust. A death sentence. Hell on earth may sound accurate to most but it's nothing more than a sauna bath compared to the real and temporary hell after judgement. Reptilian? Don't make me laugh!


For sure, you didn't come directly from those less evolutionarily developed mammals, but from a human mother and father, unless you are a clone, which is very, very improbable since known present-day clones are animals lower in evolutionary development than humans.

Hell is an imaginary place that came to be believed in not too differently than how urban legends acquire believers in these times.

[edit on 13-2-2009 by Knowledgeforall]



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:40 AM
link   

What is Hell?



the common perception is that hell is a place that people who dont meet up to god's standard go. sometimes this place is depicted as fiery and torturous, some just depict it as dark and cold, symbolizing alienation from god.

this beliefs is completely dependent on the belief of an immortal soul, this concept that when we die, we merely shed the flesh and ascend to a different plane of existence.

by examining the scriptures, i hope to show what the bible really says about death and "hell", and to show just how dangerous belief in "hellfire" really is.

ADAM AND EVE AND WHAT IT MEANS TO DIE

gen 2:[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

several things about this scripture clear up alot of things. first was that adam was formed of the dust, not that god made him a body from the dust. also not that adam became a living soul, not that he was given one.

this tells us that adam did no exist before this moment. in other words this was the definitive first moments of adam. it cannot be said that adam was an angel who was put into a human body. the significance of this will be explained in a moment.

gen 2: [16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

so god lays down the first command. he also states the consequence of breaking this command which is death. now most people who believe in the whole heaven and hell afterlife model read this scripture and move on. but actually is quite significant.

notice the consequence is death. now if god right from the beginning purposed man to live on earth and then die and then either go to heaven or hell, why would god state death as a consequence? death would be a natural thing wouldnt it? another interesting paradox is that adam would have to sin in order to get into heaven. this is because from the context, if adam had obeyed that command, then he wouldnt have died would he?

by god saying that you would surely die, we can only assume that he meant exactly and literally what he said, which is that adam would die. just like a rock is "dead" so adam would become.

at this point people might say, miriam, your putting words in god's mouth, thats just your interpretation.

nope, because god himself uses a similar illustration to explain this to adam.

gen 3:[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

notice, "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return". god is actually explaining to adam what death will be like using something that adam knows. he knows that he didnt exist before had "birth" or "creation". and now god is telling him that he will return to that condition. there is no mention of his "soul" or essence surviving. adam sinned and his punishment was death. this adam alive in some form today? no.

so heres a question, if nonexistence is waited for adam and eve for sinning, why did they sin?

gen 3:[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


there are several possibilities to what the serpent is saying here. one is that he is simply saying they wont die. they'll eat the fruit and become like god's but they wont die. the other is that this is the beginning of a concept of an afterlife. in other words he's telling them that they wont die, but instead they will change. the bible simply doesnt say.

what we do know is that the serpent is lying. this lie has be present throughout human history. the world's religions constantly teach that death is not what we think it is. from babylon to our time organized religion has taught us that death is nothing more than a change. it takes different forms like reincarnation, or transcendence but its still the same lie, "ye shall not surely die"

thats why hellfire doctrine is so dangerous, one is taking sides with the serpent.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:42 AM
link   
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS HELL?

well, if we dont have an immortal soul (ezekial 18:4,20) and the dead are nonexistant (eccl 9:5,10) then we can deduce that hell is not a place, at least in a literal way.

the hebrew scriptures use the word "she'ol", this is commonly literally translated as "grave" although it is from this word too that some translations translate "hell"

in the greek scriptures, the word that is translated "hell" is "ha'des" this too has connotations with the grave.

so, lets say we were to say that hell is not a fiery torturous afterlife, lets just say that hell is the grave. certain scriptures will begin to make sense. (i put THE GRAVE where sheol or hades is)(american standard bible translation)

1 samuel 2:6 The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to THE GRAVE and raises up

job 7:7 “Remember that my life is but breath; My eye will not again see good. 8 “The eye of him who sees me will behold me no longer; Your eyes will be on me, but I will not be. 9 “When a cloud vanishes, it is gone, So he who goes down to THE GRAVE does not come up. 10 “He will not return again to his house, Nor will his place know him anymore.

psalm 89:48 What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his soul from the power of THE GRAVE? Selah.

psalm 6:5 For there is no mention of You in death; In THE GRAVE who will give You thanks?

job 17:16 "Will it go down with me to THE GRAVE? Shall we together go down into the dust?"

job 24:19 "Drought and heat consume the snow waters, So does THE GRAVE those who have sinned.

habakkuk 2:5 "Furthermore, wine betrays the haughty man, So that he does not stay at home. He enlarges his appetite like THE GRAVE, And he is like death, never satisfied. He also gathers to himself all nations And collects to himself all peoples.


so we see that in the hebrew scriptures, death and hell seem to be intertwined. almost used interchangeably, even jonah talked about being in the belly of hell (meaning the fish would be his grave), job even prayed to go to sheol.

sheol is indescreminent, meaning both the righteous and unrighteous go there. what about hades? well its not mentioned as much as in the hebrew scriptures, but the context is still the same.

1 cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave (hades), where is thy victory?

acts 2:27 because you will not leave my soul in Hades, neither will you allow your Holy One to see decay.

acts 2:31 he foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was his soul left in Hades, nor did his flesh see decay.

revelation 1:18 and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.


so we can clearly see from the context that "hell" is the grave. its a state of being nonexistent, yet remembered. it has both righteous and unrighteous people in it.

hell is not the lake of fire. we know this because hell and death are thrown into the lake of fire.

rev 20:14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

this scripture give us the most revealing truth about hell. hell is not death in general. hell is death with possibility of resurrection. rev 20 talked about hell being emptied and then hell was thrown in the lake. after, those unfaithful were not thrown into hell, they were thrown directly into the lake of fire implying that there was no further resurrection for them.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:45 AM
link   
TARTARUS

2 peter 2:[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (tartarus), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

here the word tartarus is used. but is this the same place as hell or the lake of fire?

not at all. 2 reasons.

1 - the inhabitants of tartarus are alive. unlike hell were those in it are unconscience of their condition.
2 - the angels in tartarus are not given a second chance unlike those in hell who are raised again.

so tartarus is a condition of condemnation for satan and his demons. they are isolated from god and await judgment (or execution) but in the meantime are permitted to live and go about their business.

tartarus being translated into hell is probably a mistranslation




LAKE OF FIRE

the greek word that was used to depict this was "gehenna"

literally this place was a trash heap outside the city of jerusalem that was literally kept burning with sulfur. it was also a place that they used to dispose the bodies of criminals unfit for burial. this place was a place of destruction, not eternal torment and the jews listening to jesus would have known that.

matt 10:28 Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

this scripture differentiates "gehenna" from "hell". see hell is a condition that is much like gehenna in that you are nonexistent. however in "hell" you have the chance of resurrection and restoration in that god can remember you soul (or who you were). in gehenna you are completely destroyed.

note: destroyed, not tormented.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:48 AM
link   
i am really not sure what is going on with the color tags

sorry



new topics

top topics



 
1
<<   2 >>

log in

join