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Physical Evidence of UFOs: A Look At Molten Metal

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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Ah the Unidentified Flying Object Phenomena. Space aliens? Interdimensional beings? The devil, posing as a peaceful race from Sirius? Airforce pilots, under hypnosis, flying top-secret black projects? I am not here to debate "what" they are, but I am here to attempt and prove that "they" indeed exist. Now, the word "prove" in itself is a strong word. Uncontested documentation, repeated testing with the same results, and undoubted knowledge, defines proof. So maybe "proof" is too strong a word. I am here to simply present my case, for physical evidence. I am going to focus on one specific aspect of UFO's. Molten Metals. After a quick ATS search, all I found was miles of red tape, and 9/11 threads debating molten metal at the 9/11 ground zero site.

On several accounts molten metals have been witnessed as being discharged from various forms of craft. In addition, civillians have captured this substance and have submitted it to various agencies, including the Air Force, and university labs. Surprisingly, the materials disappeared when submitted to the Air Force. However, independent labs had some interesting findings.

Before we go over the actual substance, let's define molten metal(s).

Any blacksmith, steelworker, or general maintenance man can describe what molten metal is. However, there is basically NO definite answer on the internet. A quick glance at Webster's yields no results. Molten metal is a melted form of various solid elements, namely metals. That was easy. Molten metals are used to cast shapes, forms, or products for us on a daily basis. Car parts, steel beams (Go Steelers, had to say it, I'm from Pittsburgh), and basically anything that involves a specialized form is cast from a molten substance.

The Evidence

First, I would like to cite the first report I saw on this specific topic. It was on UFO Hunters (show titled UFO's: The Physical Evidence). I cannot find a YouTube, but you all know where to view this show. If anybody can provide a link that would be great.

Basically, as I remember it, the story was on the water in Canada. Fishermen noticed a UFO, saucer shaped, which ejected a large portion of molten metal into the water. As the metal hit the water it oxidized. The guys collected evidence that had been underwater for x amount of years and found a pure form of magnesium in the sandbed. Interesting.

Secondly, I would to cite the well-known case of Rendlesham Forest. The first incident, where Airman First Class John Burroughs stumbled upon a glazed craft in the woods. Note, this was prior to Col. Halt's experience. Burroughs, and his security team stumbled upon a:


I do not now whether this was some kind of machine under intelligent control or a fantastic natural phenomenon - some rare kind of energy. What I do know is that it was nothing mundane. There are no words that can adequately describe the wonder of what we saw


If I remember correctly, in a show that was featured on the History Channel last weekend, he said a black, glazed craft sitting on the ground of the forest. The craft abruptly took off and expelled "molten metal" as he described it.

Source for John Burroughs: www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...

The Rendlesham incident doesn't stop there. Colonel Halt, himself, makes claims of the object he witnessed, discharging molten metals.


It pulsated, although it were an eye winking at you and around the edges, it appeared to have molten metal dripping off it, just like falling to the ground, but I didn't see any evidence of anything on the ground. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing, none of us could. Here I am, a senior official that routinely denies this sort of thing and diligently works to debunk them and I'm involved in the middle of something I can't explain.


Source for Colonel Halt: www.ufoevidence.org...

Regardless of what you think of Rendlesham, these are two extremely interesting accounts that seem to go with various other stories of a substance like molten metal being discharged from various, unidentified flying objects.


Metal Rain There was absolutely no question about what happened in Council Bluffs, Iowa, on the night of Dec. 17, 1977. A UFO ejected about 40 pounds of molten metal onto the ground.


Source: www.karenlyster.com...

In Iowa, on the night of December 17th, 1977, a UFO reported to land in the visual range of Mike and Criss Moore, as well as Mike's mom.


When onlookers arrived at the impact point on a small levee, they found a 4-in.-thick mass of molten, red-orange metal covering the frozen ground, about 16 ft. from the road. The metal mass was still glowing 15 minutes later when Mike Moore’s father, assistant fire chief Jack Moore, arrived.


So big daddy comes in and saves the day right?


After the metal had cooled, Robert Allen, a local astronomer, collected samples. Part of the roughly 40-pound slab went to the U.S. Air Force’s Foreign Technology Division at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. A portion also went to the Ames Laboratory at Iowa State University. The Air Force never made its analysis public, but in a letter assured local authorities that “re-entering spacecraft debris does not impact the earth’s surface in a molten state.” In his report, Ames Laboratory director Robert S. Hansen ruled out a meteor.


Very intelligent to not send ALL of the evidence to the Air Force.


The Council Bluffs episode was not unique. At the Pocantico conference, Vallee said that in at least nine other sightings, aerial objects in distress were accompanied by the ejection of molten metal. “Reports of unusual metallic residue following the observation of an unexplained aerial phenomenon are detailed enough for a comparative study to be undertaken.”


Source: www.karenlyster.com...

More recently, and you all should remember this, is the story of the wind turbine getting owned by a supposed UFO.


In an increasingly bizzare incident, events took an and even stranger course when Dorothy found a piece of molten metal in her garden with an embossed symbolisation resembling a black horse on a yellow background. 'It was not there this morning, I tell you'.


Source: www.thespoof.com...




posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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As well, here is this little gem...


- UFOs are seen to eject or dissolve into Molten Metal (suggesting terrestrial elements are used and discarded in forming the craft manifestation).


Source: michaelsheiser.com...

Terrestrial elements, you say? Well let's take a look at these "terrestrial elements."


In 1957, a UFO reportedly exploded after hitting the water near the town of Ubatuba, Brazil. Metallic debris collected by a physician, turned out to be composed of an extremely high grade of magnesium.


Source: www.karenlyster.com...


Recently declassified documents explain what it might have been. During the 1950s and 1960s, the U.S. Air Force experimented with electrostatic drives. In A sample of the Ubatuba debris...examined under a microscope ...revealed a higher level of purity than occurs in nature. PHOTOS COURTESY OF WALTER WALKER AND J. ALLEN HYNEK CENTER FOR UFO STUDIES theory, lift and propulsion can be created by imparting airframes with an electric charge that matches, and therefore repels, the surrounding air. Such an aircraft would require enormous amounts of electric power, and the Air Force seemed to know how to create it. Other declassified documents reveal the Air Force had built compact nuclear reactors small enough to fly on an aircraft. It had also experimented with a device known as a magnetohydrodynamic generator (MHD) to extract large amounts of electricity from a fast-moving stream of molten metal. Engineers familiar with such systems say that if MHD units were to become unstable, some of the metal circulating in the unit would have to be ejected.


Which brings us to the question? Could these UFO's be terrestrial in origin? That's quite possible.

en.wikipedia.org...

And in all honesty, this is what I want to debate. Could these things that eject this "molten metal" be developed for humans, by humans? If you believe in the TR-3B, they very well could be.

[edit on 30-1-2009 by DocEmrick]



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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Good Stuff...







And in all honesty, this is what I want to debate. Could these things that eject this "molten metal" be developed for humans, by humans? If you believe in the TR-3B, they very well could be.



This expelled metal sounds like it is a way for the craft to "discard" either already used material, or material built up through regular operation that needs to be discarded...

Plenty of everyday "craft" humans utilize need to have their pipes cleaned out as well..


Actually, this seems like it would be a product of terrestrial origin, as a craft of extraterrestial origin may not need to discard anything (assumption here) - ET crafts probably have a recycle pump just for this...





posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Funny that this thread would show up, I have been thinking about this phenomenon for a while. I read a topic here on ATS, just like the ones you mentioned, about a guy who saw molten metal being ejected from a UFO and recovered it. I can't recall the name of the case, but if you look around here you might find it.

Anyway, he had the metal piece examined, and found that it was emitting radiation, although it was made up of mostly aluminium. This led me to think, could it be some sort of radioactive waste that they get rid of?

I remember Bob Lazar was talking about UFOs at area 51 using element 115 as fuel. Could it be that in some sort of nuclear fission process, element 115 decays into aluminium (I don't even know if this is possible, just an idea that popped up)? Perhaps they need huge amount of energies in a short amount of time to fire up their engines and do this by extracting energy from superheavy elements, decaying all the way down to simple elements?



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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well. I don't know a durn thing about metals, this is a very interesting thread. thanks for the info. s&f



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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Physical evidence????????

BOB WHITE has it.

I know him. Los Alamos Laboratory tested it, told him it was ET in origin, but when the news papers started calling they retracted.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by ufo reality
Physical evidence????????

BOB WHITE has it.

I know him. Los Alamos Laboratory tested it, told him it was ET in origin, but when the news papers started calling they retracted.


here is a link to a thread about bob and his "piece" from last year

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Awesome stuff. What I'm looking for. But...what I want to get in to is the nature of this "molten metal" What causes this? Is it the centrifugal source of energy? Is it a fuel type that the military has been covering up?

Is it reverse engineered alien technology? That's what I'm getting at. Not a necessary definite answer, but a discussion on what this possibly could be.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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Have you seen this video yet?

It appears to be a 'molten' UFO - crashing!:




posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by DocEmrick

In an increasingly bizzare incident, events took an and even stranger course when Dorothy found a piece of molten metal in her garden with an embossed symbolisation resembling a black horse on a yellow background. 'It was not there this morning, I tell you'.


Source: www.thespoof.com...



The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.


do you actually read your ` sources ` ?



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by DocEmrick
 


Have you seen this video yet?

It appears to be a 'molten' UFO - crashing!:



No, that's just a rocket gone wrong, nothing UFO at all about it. It tends to pop up in just about every thread though


Anyway... How does a craft made of magnesium mix with the high degree of USOs, as noted in a recent thread? I mean you'd think that'd be kind of... awkward



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Good piece. Starred and Flagged. applauseb if I could. I have long considered the human aspect to these designs. Even Heron's design's and those of Herodotus, and al Jazeri, drawing upon more Ancient sources still, point to an advanced knowledge passed down through history by the elites beyond what we are taught. whether Divine, Extra Terrestrial, or terrestrial in Origin, I would bank on the majority of sightings since the origin and advancement of the technology as being Terrestrial in Nature. I'll submit to you several pieces of true history. One will be from an Email to the Library of Congress and it's responce. The next will be a breif timeline of recorded history. What's more, there are off our Coasts, in the Bays, Gulfs, Seas, and Oceans what are referred to as underwater structures, or, "cities." Some are connected to underground cavernous tunnels within the nearby cosatlands themselves, connecting to vast underground networks. I personally have passed over and recorded one off the California Southern Coast, near San Diego as I was standing my Submarine's SONAR Fathometer Watch Given the size and shape of this metallic structure as seen from above it and painted by active SONAR, it fits the mold of a UFO disc or saucer. While it may well just be a design feature of the underwater structure. It may well be an antigravitic vessel perched upon an underwater pad and the structure it's underwater station. I know it is man made, as it belongs to the US NAVY. What's more, it was under repairs. Being well trained to do so, you could hear the underwater diver's welding and the cavitation from the bubbles generated from the underwater welding process were very clear. As our Submarine passed within 1.5- 2 feet from it's top to our bottom from it.

Could UFO's National Socialism Man Made AntiGravitic Devices and Psycho Analysis all be merged to control the masses and form an Ordered Government guised as being based on Natural Law

From: www.abovetopsecret.com...

1940 Nazis allegedly begin building Hitler secret hideout at Antarctica.
1940 James Forrestal is Secretary of the Navy. Authorizes Project High Jump, or, Hyjump
1947 Admiral Byrd allegedly heads expedition to Antarctic to search for German base and attack. Mission fails because of German gravity technology. Over 4,000 elite Nazi troops, ships and equipment. Operation Hyjump lasted three weeks. Ground troops hit with sound cannon, 4 planes lost. CIA prevents retalitation. The US operation is undercut by Nazi elements in the US govern- ment, who have laison with British Intelligence and the Tavistock Institute.


From: An Email To the Library of Congress:


The Library of Congress does not collect every document, nor does it keep
every document. This policy is outlined in all of our policy statements,
which you can read at:
> . This is even more true for the Web
site, and its thousands of iterations since 2001. If you want to view
archived editions of our Web site for that year or any other, go to the
Internet Archive page for loc.gov:
. We are sorry you think
that subsequent editions are "dumbed down," as we are always striving to
improve the content and format for our users.
>
> We have searched for your Martin Marietta annual report, but as
described, this document does not appear in any of our catalogs or indexes.
You are free to search our online catalog yourself, at:
. Searches can be constructed with keywords,
corporate names and countless other options, in a variety of combinations.
>
> A broader catalog of resources that includes materials held in libraries
around the world, and includes many not held by the Library, is at:
. If you search for "Martin Marietta annual
report," you will find that this series is held in a number of US
libraries, but NOT at LC.
>
> For reports from DOE you can search the public, open-access site, DOE
Information Bridge, at: . Some of
these materials are available in full-text online.
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> Other free and open resources for technical reports include the Defense
Technical Information Center: , and the National
Technical Information Center, .
>
> If you are particularly interested in government reports in general, we
recommend that you ask your local librarian for the nearest location of the
indexes of government and military technical reports, dating to the 1940s.
Between the current DTIC and NTIS indexes and these, all available
technical government reports will be listed. LC does have a large
collection of old technical reports, and reproduction services are
available through the Photoduplication Service, but you have to identify
the report by its Publications Board (PB) number in order for us to see if
we have it. We searched the Bibliography of Scientific & Technical Reports
and found nothing under 'iridium.'
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> A full list of indexes and descriptions and additional information on
locating technical reports is available at the Technical Reports Section
Web page, . They also
hold a large collection of DOE reports, and more information is on this
page, . For details
you can contact them directly.
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> If you are particularly interested in topics related to extra-terrestrial
origins and life beyond Earth, please take a look at our guide,
"Extraterrestrial Life," published in 2007, and online at:
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> Question History:
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> Patron: I know for a fact and without question the LOC has information on
Iridium 115 experiments done in the early 1940's and later. It is an
element obtained from meteorites which is not found on earth but is space
oriented in origin. It is heavier than lead in it's unexcited state and
becomes lighter than hydrogen when an electrical current is passed through
it. To prevent overheating of components, etc. used in the experiments a
magnesium based, white chalky like fiber board was used as an insulater. It
is a perfect substance for anti gravitic flight and I'm curious why I can't
find it anymore. The day after I researched it on the LOC's site in 2001
the site closed for reconstruction after which it became a dumbed down
version of it's former self where nothing of any real interest could be
found. I still have the original PC used so I'm sure since I used Print
Screen and what not I could still extract it from the memory. That and the
2001 Annual Report to the Vice President issued by M



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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I know this has probably been told before, but I did once see a ufo orb of the white variety that seemed to be giving off molten metal like it was being touched by an angle grinder. Then it morphed into a holy jesus/angel light, whiter than white, the most beautiful holy light that radiated pure beautiful light. This topic is very interesting and this molten metal is certainly given off by certain ufos.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Deran
Funny that this thread would show up, I have been thinking about this phenomenon for a while. I read a topic here on ATS, just like the ones you mentioned, about a guy who saw molten metal being ejected from a UFO and recovered it. I can't recall the name of the case, but if you look around here you might find it.

Anyway, he had the metal piece examined, and found that it was emitting radiation, although it was made up of mostly aluminium. This led me to think, could it be some sort of radioactive waste that they get rid of?

I remember Bob Lazar was talking about UFOs at area 51 using element 115 as fuel. Could it be that in some sort of nuclear fission process, element 115 decays into aluminium (I don't even know if this is possible, just an idea that popped up)? Perhaps they need huge amount of energies in a short amount of time to fire up their engines and do this by extracting energy from superheavy elements, decaying all the way down to simple elements?


Maybe 115 wasn't the fuel, but, the reason for AntiGravitic flight. When it is uncharged, Irridium 115 is heavier than lead. When a current is passed through it it becomes extremely white hot and becomes lighter than hydrogen. You won't find the 1942 and prior and post experiments online, but, Believe it or Not, it has that property.

Sndwhich the Irridium 115 between pure Magnesium fiber boards amd place a metallic outer layer, such as an Aluminum lightweight alloy on the outer external part of the shellshell and a heavier high heat restant alloy on the internal side of the shell, charge it with a mini reactor, and BAM! You can fly without wings, tail, fins, or rudders. Use a gyroscopic floating deck interior hull, and maybe an ion type 360 degree propulsuion system. Hey, maybe, the system uses the flourine gas of aluminum somehow? Regardless, I would test the atmosphere's flourine or flouride level before and after a UFO appearance. If it increases dramatically, then, I am correct.

I wonder how much flourine gas and flouride nitrated are released by the Molten Metal Process. Can flouride nitrates or flourine gas/ solid compounds give a false Aluminum reading? If so, maybe, Aluminum is not so much the source, as the by product of a Flouride based Propulsion System. or else, Aluminum is the major element of the construction, possibly to lighten the overall load bearing capabilities of the craft. As Aerodynamics won't play much into an Irridium 115 type machine. Except that it would be simply more efficient. With Irridium 115 as I've just described, you could make a craft out of a box with obtuse proportions, and it would still, levitate.

Throw the Invisibility research into it, and, you could give the appearance of a transdimensional vessel. Though, since, Paul Grant, of Paducah, Ky. and I sabatauged and destroyed his work for a particular Institute concerning our overcoming the satellite relay/ transmission and multi- micro- fiber- optical spacing problems the solution to overcoming the vapor effect (the PhyberDragon Effect, we called it), up close you could readily discern the invisbility netting for what it is. It would appear as heat vapor like distortions such as you see eminate from hot concrete, pavement, and sand, or from looking through gas fumes. Paul, sadly, died less than a month later. The Institute siezed his work from his home, however, they were too late. Conscience prevailed and we sabotauged his work. Believe it or Not. But, my friend, "Arden," deserves his credit in history.

From: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Aluminum/ Flouride/ Flourine:


1827 Aluminum is discovered.

1828 Radiactive element Thorium is discovered. Anti-Masonic party established.
1830 Export of nitrates from Chile begins.
1830 Element Vanadium is discovered.
1942 Germany becomes worlds largest producer of aluminum (and Sodium Fluoride)
1943 American vaccine researcher Pearl Kendrick reports that adding a metallic salt seemed to heighten the capacity of the Pertussis vaccine to produce anti-bodies. (Metal salt is an “adjuvant” in this way). Some metallic salts used are those of aluminum (alum). Pearl Kendrick is the researcher that urged that Pertussis vaccine be combined with Diptheria vaccine. Later the Tetanus vaccine was added, producing the nefarious DPT Vaccine.
1943 The Journal of the American Medical Association on September 18, 1943, states, “fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, changing the permeability of the cell membrane by inhibiting certain enzymes. The exact mechanism of such actions are obscure. The sources of fluorine intoxication are drinking water containing 1ppm or more of fluorine, fluorine compounds used as insecticidal sprays for fruits and vegatables (cryolite and barium fluoro- silicate) and the mining and conversion of phosphate rock to superphosphate, which is used as a fertilizer. That process alone releases approximately 25,000 tons of pure fluorine into the atmosphere annually. Other sources of fluorine intoxication is from the fluorides used in the smelting of many metals, such as steel and aluminum, and in the production of glass, enamel and brick.”

1944 Oscar Ewing is put on the payroll of the Aluminum Company of America (ALCOA), as an attorney, at an annual salary of $750,000. Within a few months, Ewing was made Federal Security Administrator, with the announcement that he was taking a big cut in salary. The US Public Health Service, then a division of the FSA, comes under the command of Ewing, and he begins to vigorously promote fluoridation nationwide. Ref: May 25-27 Hearings before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. A by-product of aluminum manufacture is toxic sodium fluoride. Ewings public relations strategist for the fluoride campaign was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, Edward L. Bernays. Bernays conducts a public relations campaign to promote fluorine ingestion by applying Freudian theory to induce public acceptance. It was one of Bernays most successful campaigns.


And, Invisibility:


1941 ONR invisibility project still in progress. Tesla has FDRs confidence, but disagreement develops with John von Neumann over coil design. Tesla sabotages project in March 1942.

1943 Test of the Eldridge ONR invisibility project.

1943 “Tesla dies.” A boxcar full of his papers are taken to Los Alamos for storage. A significant amount of evidence suggests Tesla did not die at this time but was wisked off to England after sabotaging the ONR invisibility project. Other evidence suggests he did in fact die, but ONR was among the first to get a “crack” at his papers.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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BTW: Irridium 115 would be an inefficient fuel source, as it is rare and does not originate on earth, it is found only on space meteorites that crash to Earth. Unless, they are mining it in Space, or, the ET's are real and are giving it to them.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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what the ? are you talking about?? Iridium has no isotopes anywhere near 115!
Iridium's isotopes range from 165-198, with 191 and 193 being stable.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Element 115?
Ununpentium?

WHAT IS THIS?

[edit on 31/1/2009 by GEORGETHEGREEK]



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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so you're saying molten metal is a sign of varios craft 'discharges' or something? that's pretty awesome.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Ok I am not a metallurgist here. The best I have done is melt down lead.

What this remindsme of is a scene from the movie "Apollo 13" where the ship is taking off and you can see what lookslike tiles falling off... it is supposed to be frozen nitrogen to help cool the rockets, somehow, I beleive.

Perhaps the metal is something that forms out of the atmosphere as a reaction of the UFO's fuel?



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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it might be possible, a sort of chemical reaction with the fuel used in the exaust that reacts with something in the atmosphere that possibly heats up or forms metal in liquid state.



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