Where Did 223 Mysterious Genes In Our DNA Come From?

I found this rather interesting ...

Just recently, an amazing scientific feat was completed by scientists who decoded the human genome... our entire DNA genetic make up.

All of the DNA information we now have leads to the conclusion that there was a common source for the DNA that has found its way into all living things on this planet. Furthermore, the more complex life forms of life evolved by adding on more and more of the available, original genes, some of which have mutated. All of it supposedly culminated in Homo Sapiens... us.

However, here is the part that continues to mystify the best scientists in the world... there are 223 genes in our human DNA code that are not found in other living organisms. In other words, we did not inherit these genes from any other form of life on this planet.

www.fromthestars.com...

"another way, those 223 genes were "implanted," all at once, into our ancestor's DNA makeup by a bacterial infection."

Never know, could have been done by Aliens.......

Aliens? Try bacteria.
Genes that count

Scientists have also discovered that our ancestors appear to have inherited 223 genes directly from bacteria, many of which appear to now play a crucial role. The gene transfer must have occurred when wayward bacterial DNA integrated into the sperm or egg of a distant vertebrate forebear.

seekerof

Well 2/3 people believe in Alien Life so i don't see it being that far fetched

Here's a couple more links on those 233:
Humane Genome

NB: 223 genes were found that are closely related to bacterial genes � horisontaltransfer from bacteria.

The Human Genome and the Master Architect

Moreover 223 genes in people appear to be almost identical to bacterial genes.

seekerof

[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Seekerof]

Yes but there's no definitive 'proof' of this being the cause of the 233 genes we have, if there was, scientists around the world wouldnt still be baffled by it.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Genes that count

Scientists have also discovered that our ancestors appear to have inherited 223 genes directly from bacteria, many of which appear to now play a crucial role. The gene transfer must have occurred when wayward bacterial DNA integrated into the sperm or egg of a distant vertebrate forebear.

Sap, you don't consider the above quote and findings as being conclusive enough? Reads as pretty definitive to me.


seekerof

Maybe the scientists haven't heard about this.

Interesting but why can't anybody ever give real links...why does proof always have to link to places like WAYOUTGENES.COM or ALIENHUMANGENES.COM

It's always a bit funny...always makes me stop and wonder.

Science has been wrong before, but then again, so has Religion. Nothing is definitive until proven absolutely false and even then sometimes even that can change. Im not saying i'm right and im not saying your right, im only stating that there is no proof of a horizonal bacterial transfer here.

Originally posted by Sapphire
Nothing is definitive until proven absolutely false...

Proving a negetive is impossible.

The only true statement is "I am" everything else is just a level of "truth" or "fact".

Most the time a true fact is when it has imperical evidence accept by the majority of a specialist community.

As for this particular argument, bacterai are proven to exist, proven to have these genes. There for it is "more true" than any alien theories since aliens are not proven to exist.

One maybe be right, neither may be right, but given the most factualy based being bacterial, that is the most likely for now.

^^^ brilliant statement there .

I dont know if anyone has noticed that the # 223 is (322) backwards and represents a room at Skull and Bones fraternity. Another note: The most grounded plane by British Airways for fear of terror attack was BA flight 223.

"5- A discontinuous presence of genes specific for humans, not present in any other living organism, disproves the continuous and linear order of events conceived by the minds of the promoters of �evolution� and its followers, a fact that is also reflected by the birth of new stars, which disproves a linear derivation of mass if only originated at the moment of the �big bang,� etc."

Excerpt taken from.
www.iscid.org...


There is a very "high possibility" that these genes are most likely "extraterrestrial."
I do remember Sitchin writing about this before the discovery by scientists about the 223 that don't seem to add up to evolution. He said that the sumerians say the annunaki left their mark on a species which already was here.

www.sitchin.com...

I think it is worth considering this is very possible.

I think the problem with this is that most scientists are either in favour of "evolution" and will try to show this is true, while other scientists believe in "creatio ex nihilo" or existance out of nothing, and will try to show evidence proving this.

But there could be a middle ground, many ancient cultures say that the gods/godesses came down and mated with the race of men that were here. what a better way to get extraterrestrial genes?

I happen to agree that the third option is "the most likely." But again, is just an opinion as is an opinion that humans as we are now are a product of only evolution, as the opinion that humans were created out of nothing.

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Muaddib]

The Sumerians have a mythology that can help to explain this:

Millenia ago, a "great scientist" called Ea/Enki/Jehova/Jah/etc, a son of Tiamat and Anu, decided to embark on a great genetic experiment. According to the legend, the end result was a certain strain of modified humans. Other projects included man/animal hybrids, as depicted by certain artifacts from the area (including Egyptian artwork. im sure you've all seen the pictures of the human body with a bird or a canine's head)

the site below explains this with more depth and explanation.

www.soulinvitation.com...

[Edited on 4/11/2004 by AlnilamOmega]

If I understand this right, these genes are ONLY in humans, no other vertebrae species has them, so the transfer took place in HUMANS not some distant vertebrae ancestor.
Furthermore, ONLY 113 genes bear SIMILARITIES with certain bacteria genes, the rest is non-existant in any other form of life on earth. It is unique.
Now, these genes are responsible for synthesis of complicated proteins which play role in psychological functions.... and that is supposed to come from a bacteria??!? I quote from the link above in the first post:

" An analysis of the functions of these genes through the proteins that they spell out, conducted by the Public Consortium team and published in the journal Nature, shows that they include not only proteins involved in important physiological but also psychiatric functions. Moreover, they are responsible for important neurological enzymes that stem only from the mitochondrial portion of the DNA - the so-called "Eve" DNA that humankind inherited only through the mother-line, all the way back to a single "Eve." That finding alone raises doubt regarding that the "bacterial insertion" explanation."

Hmmmm that doesnt sound like "100% absolutely no doubt certain thing deffinitely bacteria" explanation, like some scientist would like to say it so it fits into their little narrow world view and theories.

Another posibility, and I quote:

""It is not clear whether the transfer was from bacteria to human or from human to bacteria," Science quoted Robert Waterson, co-director of Washington University's Genome Sequencing Center, as saying."

So, these 223 genes are deffinitely still a mystery, with a few flawed, incomplete and far fetched THEORIES around, trying to explain it.

Thankyou for the input everyone, great links. AlnilamOmega, i was reading thru the link you added

In this book I found out, that Sud (Nin.Harsag, named after the big mountain
we now know as St. Katherine), lived near Mt. St. Katherine and Mt. Sinai
when she was old, ca. 10,000 BC. Later, ca. 2000 BC, an Annunaki spaceport
in the central plain just North of these granite mountains was blown apart
in a war (between descendents of Enlil and Enki) by a nuclear weapons
explosion, the fall-out of which killed the entire Sumerian culture. The
nuclear explosion left behind blackened rock on the plain, which still can
be seen today. The spaceport control center had been inside a mountain!!![end quote]

which reminded me of something i'd read some time ago relating to an ancient nuclear exposion which left pieces of light green/amber colored glass throughout the deserts in the middle east.


Here's another interesting website i found i'll just add here.

Historical Documention of UFO sightings