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Topic started on 15-1-2009 @ 01:35 AM by coredrill

Does the Great Egyptian Sphinx Date back to the Pleistocene


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A Paper was submitted at theInternational Conference on Geoarchaeology and Archaeomineralogy titled
"GEOLOGICAL ASPECT OF THE PROBLEM OF DATING THE GREAT EGYPTIAN SPHINX CONSTRUCTION"

which states in its Abstract that The Great Egyptian Sphinx dates back to the Pleistocene Era.


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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 02:37 AM by coredrill


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 08:00 AM by FatherLukeDuke
Hmmm...

The authors of this paper are
theosophists - a religious sect who believe mankind is many millions of years old.


Theosophists further hold that human civilization, like all other parts of the universe, develops through cycles of seven stages. Blavatsky argued that humanity, and indeed every reincarnating human soul, evolves through a series of seven "Root Races". Thus in the first age, humans were pure spirit; in the second age, they were sexless beings inhabiting the now lost continent of Hyperborea; in the third age the giant Lemurians were informed by spiritual impulses endowing them with human consciousness and sexual reproduction. Modern humans finally developed on the continent of Atlantis. Since Atlantis was the nadir of the cycle, the present fifth age is a time of reawakening humanity's psychic gifts. The term psychic here really means the realization of the permeability of consciousness as it had not been known earlier in evolution, although sensed by some more sensitive individuals of our species.


They have some pretty dodgy views on race, especially about the Jews, and I believe some Nazis were quite keen on their occult philosophy.

They start with the assumption that the Sphinx is over 750,000 years old and then try to support it:

The authors of the report have another point of
view in considering the problem. We have taken the GES age
such as it was indicated by theosophist Yelena Blavatskaya in
one of her basic works (1937)
. She wrote: “Notice the
indestructible witness of evolution of Human races, from
Divine, and especially Androgynous race, the Egyptian Sphinx,
that mystery of centuries”. According to Blavatskaya the time of
GES erection should exceed 750000 years. Are there some
geological indications which are evidence for such an old age
of the Sphinx? Consider the brief prehistory of the problem.


Essentially the paper says that the Sphinx looks a bit like it was erroded by waves, and the last time sea levels were high enough to do this was nearly a million years ago, therefore the Sphinx is nearly a million years old. Some crude geology, much hand waving and there you have it.

You would have thought that if the Sphinx was that old it would be dust by now wouldn't you?

Although they share little with Young Earth Creationists philosophy (completely the opposite in some ways), they do use exactly the same methadology - in that they do away with swathes of scientific data and models but are happy to cherry pick the ones that suit them (such as ancient sea levels).

To be fair, they do call it a "suggested hypothesis", though I would tend to call it junk science.


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 08:04 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by FatherLukeDuke



"To be fair, they do call it a "suggested hypothesis", though I would tend to call it junk science. "

Well...

You are the only one to mention this theory so far.

The oldest estimate I would except would be 12 000 years or so ago for the Pyramids - maybe and only because of stellar alignments.


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 09:23 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by FatherLukeDuke



I apologize. My bad.

I got my pyramid builder conspiracies all mixed up.

800 000 years is crazy.


reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:13 AM by Hanslune
reply to post by Exuberant1



A comment from Dave L at the Hall of Ma'at

They have mixed up a legitimate comparison of stratigraphic layers in different places that can be used to date the formation of the rock itself, with a ridiculous suggestion that the Sphinx must have been underwater to generate the erosion profile that we see today.

If the rock has a varying density and consistency, a similar erosion profile will emerge whether it due to water movement or wind blown sand, and regardless of the time period during which the erosion took place.

Just another in a long line of nonsense presentations and papers and articles with a pseudo scientific veneer, but major flaws in logic and argument lurking just under the surface.


From the thread on this same document I post yesterday at the Hall of Ma'at

Hall of Ma'at

Hwody Father

One of the references in this study

Blavatskaya, Ye. L. 1937. Tainaya Doktriona. Vol. 2. Uguns,
Riga, 1008 p. (in Russian)


The part they referenced was:

The authors of the report have another point of
view in considering the problem. We have taken the GES age
such as it was indicated by theosophist Yelena Blavatskaya in
one of her basic works (1937). She wrote: “Notice the
indestructible witness of evolution of Human races, from
Divine, and especially Androgynous race, the Egyptian Sphinx,
that mystery of centuries”. According to Blavatskaya the time of
GES erection should exceed 750000 years. Are there some
geological indications which are evidence for such an old age
of the Sphinx? Consider the brief prehistory of the problem.


She was mystic....


A lot of people seem to have forgotten that the Sphinx sits inside an enclosure that was cut out - the stones being used to build the pyramids and the mortuary temples.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 12:20 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by Hanslune



How did this unscientific paper get "published"? Dave L from the Hall of Ma'at explains

Researcher submits abstract to conference, conference accepts abstract along with a bunch of others on basis of short abstract, presenter presents full paper to people with superficial knowledge of subject, presenter expects to have paper published along with other presenters, peer reviewers have no real knowledge of subject.

The average conference/paper set up or even peer reviewed journal is not intended to be court-case standard review process.

The ultimate overseeing mechanism is the wider peer review process, i.e. experts read paper and spot errors.



reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 01:01 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by Skyfloating



Pray tell, those arguing for a greater age (not always as much as 10,000) were Maspero, Budge, Carpenter, Bauval, Hancock, Coxill, de Lubricz, Domingo, Dobrev, Reader and Stadelmann..oh and Schoch but he's definitely not in the over 10,000 camp.


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 01:12 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by Hanslune



Armadas of ancient ice sheets may have crumbled like dominoes
But the two major events both coincided with enormous so-called Heinrich events approximately 16,000 and 47,000 years ago, when huge numbers of icebergs broke off of the Laurentide Ice Sheet, which covered most of Canada and much of the northern United States, into the north Atlantic.

Hendy proposes that the Heinrich events triggered sea-level rise, which caused the margins of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet to float up and destabilize.




I dont have a dog in this fight yet but I think it may be safe to say the 10.000 to 20.000 year range is not too far fetched.





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