Cop Shoots Apparently Helpless Man In The Back (Update: Officer quits to avoid IA questions)

if the police can murder people and get away with it,isn't it time we armed ourselves against the police?
it is now obvious that the police don't act on our behalf.
they are nothig but a well armed gang,and gang activity is probably the true major problem in this country.

it has ben 10 days since a murder by a police gang member was caught on film by several people,with no charges filed,let alone the perp being interviewed.
these highly trained gangs are the most lethal,well armed crews,and like ms13,are embedded in every town in america.
under no circumstacnces would a murderer from another gang get away with walking away from the scene,with his freedom intact.
these ss tactics will not stop until we make it so that its not worth it
keep it up fellahs.see how much the avaerage american will take before we really get fed up.
you're doing great,you're helping to unify the country.
and dont forget how small your gang is ,compared to the silent one ,out here in america
as far as i'm concerned,everyone in the police protection racket out there in california is also guilty of dereliction of duty,at least

time to unite and clean this up. and i am not advocating violence,i am talking about prosecuting this,and firing the ones involved in the protection racket.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by Spectre0o0]

[edit on 10-1-2009 by Spectre0o0]

Originally posted by TARBOX
Too bad Thomas Jefferson is not around today to see how bad things have got in the US. The US government would most likely throw him in prison or kill him for any of his remarks.

Freedom of Speech is gone. Freedom to carry a fire arm is gone.

Freedom in general..... GONE.

That is the type of defeatist attitude the tyrants want us all to develop. With a cleaver trick they have defeated you with thoughts. The mathematical reality is that the tyrants are few and the hard working (unemployed) Americans are many.

Read any of my posts and the common thread is that the British and American governments are MASTERS of the PROXY WAR. The way to defeat them is to defund them. To defund them you must hold a TAX REVOLT and general strikes and never stop.

The majority of our military is busy killing brown skin people to take their oil. The police are paid through taxation or by private means (mercs). At some point our armies might not be able to get back home. Police and fire protection will start to get erratic and then decrease as crime rises.

My point being that the government essentially dominates through FEAR. Personally, I fear when my wife screams at me but I FEAR no government or man. What has not happened yet is that clear defined moment that Americans get sick and tired of being treated like SHEEP. 9-11 could have been that moment but it was squandered since in all likelihood 9-11 was part of how the government rules by FEAR.

On the top of Alpha's list are::
1) Protest Marches
2) General Strikes
3) Tax Revolts
4) Passive Resistance
5) Active Resistance
6) Full Resistance

Follow the Constitution so later on we don't have to write a new one!

reply to post by Spectre0o0


No. I don't think that it is okay to go out and start killing the police.

Violence to violence is not the answer here.

time to unite and clean this up. and i am not advocating violence,i am talking about prosecuting this,and firing the ones involved in the protection racket

I'm glad you wrote this in your last paragraph.

In my opinion, I think that as "trusted officials", police officers, if they get caught in a crime, they should get double what the normal citizen gets. For example....

1: If the cop gets caught in theft... the normal sentence is let's say 10 years. The officer in question should get 20.

2: A murder...like the one of this topic. If a normal sentence is 25 to 50.... then the officer in question should get 50 to life.

I feel this way because they are suppose to be "TRUSTED" officials. They above all should know better than to commit a crime only to hide behind their badge. But as we know, it happens all the time.

I know this is wishful thinking, but sounds like a real good deterrent.

I hope that you were not directing that toward me since I felt I was agreeing with you. Your points are well thought out and if we did band together and do the things you listed, it may make a difference. Although I think that any defiance from us would lead to martial law and the killing of a lot of innocent people.

But I do agree with you.

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
I fear when my wife screams at me but I FEAR no government or man.

I had to quote this because this made me practically fall out of my chair in laughter.

Isn't it always that way though!!

Grant's mother and daughter are being represented by civil rights attorney John Burris, who has a history of work on police abuse issues, including the beating of Rodney King. At a Sunday news conference, Burris called the incident "without a doubt, the most unconscionable shooting I have ever seen."


No amount of money can condole this little girl, who now has no Dad, because of some retard with a Gun.
NO AMOUNT OF MONEY!
This Officer should be given, life in Prison, without the possibility of parole.
No, not the death penalty.
That is to good for this piece of living excrement.
People, PSYCH TESTING!
They need more psych testing for these people who walk around carrying your death warrant, at any given moment, and just get to say "Oh im sorry I didn't mean to kill you it was an accident".
Wake up people.This could happen to any one of us.
Your a smart brave girl Karina, and im proud of you.

Here is the video of it happening.
It looks very weird how the cop just pulls out his gun, shoots then looks as if wtf did I just do.Like he is under some mind control or on some drugs.
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 10-1-2009 by BorgHoffen]

reply to post by zerbot565


So you mean to say that if you saw a friend, or a person of similar ethnicity or race to you being shot for no apparent reason you wouldn't feel the need to call to authorities out on it.

Your mind has been skewed by the system, of course he could have been reaching for a weapon, nothing a taser couldn't have solved. Now cmon, tensions would run high in such an event, could you still tell me about keeping a level head and not getting angry.

Originally posted by TARBOX
In my opinion, I think that as "trusted officials", police officers, if they get caught in a crime, they should get double what the normal citizen gets. For example....

1: If the cop gets caught in theft... the normal sentence is let's say 10 years. The officer in question should get 20.

2: A murder...like the one of this topic. If a normal sentence is 25 to 50.... then the officer in question should get 50 to life.

I feel this way because they are suppose to be "TRUSTED" officials. They above all should know better than to commit a crime only to hide behind their badge. But as we know, it happens all the time.

I know this is wishful thinking, but sounds like a real good deterrent.

Ya know - I've often thought the exact same thing. Police talk about being held to a "higher standard" and frankly I just don't see it.

Often time when they do commit a crime that an average person would be tossed under the jail for they get off with a light slap on the wrist. I honestly don't see any "higher standard" in that.

I'll admit they do have a tough job and many are not paid very well at all. If I had my way I would boost their pay so the job might be more attractive to more people. However, I would put in the "double-time" system you mentioned as well along with a totally indepentant group whose sole job it is to investage things like this.

I never have really thought the idea of a group that has the ablity to investigate itself for wrong-doing leads to good results. It kinda brings out the "Hmmm..did we screw up here?? Naaaahhhhh!!!" "Dang - everybody is mad at us now. Ok - announce that officer is getting a note placed in his file. Case closed." method of investigation.

Originally posted by Frogs
I never have really thought the idea of a group that has the ablity to investigate itself for wrong-doing leads to good results. It kinda brings out the "Hmmm..did we screw up here?? Naaaahhhhh!!!" "Dang - everybody is mad at us now. Ok - announce that officer is getting a note placed in his file. Case closed." method of investigation.

The "Internal Affairs" is a solid procedure. But what lacks is they are still Police. For a "New And Improved" internal affairs sysetm should be like a court room setting and what happens should be brought to this court, with a jury of regular people to decide the fate of the particular officer.

They should not be treated any differently than any other citizen just because they were a badge. I bet if the system above were used, there would be less police corruption and the feeling that they are above the law.

Originally posted by Venture4Truth
nothing a taser couldn't have solved.

The kid was already handcuffed, on the ground, on his stomach with another cop practically on top of him. Even a taser would have been too much in this situation.

There is no excuse for any sort of "gun" use in this situation.

reply to post by TARBOX


where did you see "kill the police"? please reread my post and note the last line.
my suggestion was to start arming yourself against oppressive police.not to go out and shoot them whenever you want. i dont know where you got the killing part.

reply to post by Spectre0o0


Most likely a misinterpretation on my part. I must have read it too fast.

You're right and I stand corrected.

Heh.. I approve of the rioting. Hell, I wish I could go join.
That police department needs to be raized to the ground! The action was corrupt. And the follow up is even MORE corrupt. They are trying to get this guy off. One of the videos has been removed from the net as I post this.

That last video we just saw was the best one, though. It is my sincere hope that people keep pasting this thing on the net.

It is abundantly clear that the cop in question, did in fact, commit first degree murder!
The crime is further compounded by the fact that the other cops did not arrest him on the spot! The guy was cuffed! WHAT COULD HE HAVE POSSIBLY DONE IN THE PRONE POSITION, RESTRAINED AND IN CUFFS?!!

The argument of mistaking his taser for his weapon doesn't hold water. This has been made abundantly clear.

A clear message needs to be sent to the PTB that this stuff will no longer be allowed! Now, nor ever! This is the United States of America, goddamnit, not Nazi Germany!

Originally posted by Venture4Truth
reply to post by zerbot565

 

Your mind has been skewed by the system, of course he could have been reaching for a weapon, nothing a taser couldn't have solved. Now cmon, tensions would run high in such an event, could you still tell me about keeping a level head and not getting angry.

Any self respecting person with proper martial arts training could have minimised the threat of a prone person reaching for a gun with either hand by simply placing pressure on the elbow or shoulder with their foot with the minimum of effort.

No need for any weapon.

Certainly not a tazer, and definately 100% certain you do not shoot a prone man in the back with a live round.

Nothing is going to happen regarding this or it would have happened already. We are more likely to see a race riot over this than a general riot in my opinion. It is easy to say that the shooter was racially motivated, I can't say that as a fact but it may be an element.

I shouldn't generalize people by looks but all of those cops look like white supremacists or soldiers back from a tour of duty. I would like to believe that they all treat everyone the same but if that is the case then they hate everyone enough to shoot them all.

One thing that seems to be common in all of these "Cop Shoot'em Up" videos is that after the shot nobody seems to even look like they intend to administer first aid. In this one the shooter continues to toss the guy. If he started to render aid then it might have saved a life and at least looked better.

What we are seeing is the rise of the US SS and these police are not policing the population but instead sending a strong message that if we don't stay out of their way they will F us up and or kill us. Same methodology, same uniforms, same attitude and the same loyalty to their cause.

This is sort of related:
A few years ago I had to get milk and coffee late at night since I would not want to wake up and not have my coffee pot going. I went to the Acme Supermarket and they stayed open all night back then. I got my stuff and headed to the checkout. There was just the one lane and the one girl working it.

Ahead of me was this black man who felt that the white girl was being disrespectful to him. They started to argue and I couldn't make out what the actual problem was. Her manager called the police and two white cops showed up. They got real assertive with him and escorted him outside. By then I was done paying and also went outside.

They were all in a yelling and shoving match and it turned out that the black man was also a cop but from another town. He thought he would just see what happened and reserve that aspect till the last possible second. Everything was racial the way I saw it. The black guy was disrespectful to the cashier.

He brought up race to the store manager regarding the cashier. The cashier simply thought he was an asshole who was rude, arrogant and bossy! Here was the "cop" in him coming out. The barking that these people are trained to use, being used at the super market.

The cops outside were barking mad too. They had him teamed and he was getting disorderly. They egged him on to get a resisting and then he pulled out his badge. Then they were all buddies and started to commiserate about the cashier in the store.

The psychology at work in this is simply disappointing. Cops need to be well grounded and present exemplary behavior and complete respect for the laws that they are sworn to uphold. In 1971 Stanford conducted an experiment whose results were unreal.

24 volunteered to participate and some became prisoners and the rest were guards. The researchers found that the participants got into their rolls quickly. After only a short while the guards were found to be actually abusing the prisoners. Soon after the experiment was stopped due to the abuses and the realization that no matter who became the guard they became abusive.

The lesson learned was that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So in this I fear that should the masses rise against authority they will become the new authority and after all of the abuse to them they will have the power and the desire for revenge.



[edit on 10-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

reply to post by zerbot565


your comment shows you must be a complete idiot? a young man was KILLED and you make it out as bringing a smile to your face?! The cop was a little out of line?! He shot a HANDCUFFED person in the back! This was a murder you jackass.

Originally posted by taserman


Sorry but I award this dumbass a darwin award. He deserved to get shot. You don't just run at police, and then when they tackle you, you don't squirm around trying to struggle and grab something out of your shirt. Especially after you just issued verbal threats such as "[snip] the police" and "death to pigs" which can be clearly heard several times in the video.

You may have seen the video and read the article but you may want to rewatch the vid and reread teh article because the guy that ran at the police IS NOT the one who was shot.The guy who was shot was off screen being rolled over with two officers pinning him down and he is unable to move or be any type of thread. There are two videos posted on that site. one is embedded onto the site, the other is a link to another. the guy who was shot was not on the screen in the video you were reffering to when the shot was fired.

So yeah, like I said, you may have read the article and seen the video but you clearly need to re watch and reread before you make broad assumptions.

Although I do agree with you that all the kids screaming at the cops and running at them were only making the situation worse and in my opinion they are a part of why the kid got shot. They were making the cops very uneasy and they no doubt had lots of adrenaline rushing.

I dont think he deserved to be killed though. He wasnt one of the kids who were running around screaming at the cops. he was (from what we can see of him in the two vids) cooperating with the cops. He didnt deserve to be shot and he certainly doesnt deserve to be killed for the actions of the other kids.

The officer should be charged with murder (IMO).

Anyway, im making this post alot longer than I origanlly intended to. I just wanted to say, that I know you said you watched the vid and read teh article but you might want to do it again because you clearly dont know who the victim was.

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


Watching this video you can clearly see here that the person in arrest and question, Mr. Grant, was subdued by the officer and the use of deadly force was completely unnecessary.

Also you can also see that the officer had no reason to fear for his life or the safety of the immediate officers assisting him in what appears to be the search of Mr. Grant.

Therefore use of deadly force was not justified in this police activity/situation. It was apparent that not even a taser would have been justified. Clearly the officer gives no verbal warning to the victim and if anyone has seen any type of police use of deadly force or use of non-lethal force types of training, verbal authoritative commands accompany such action and are most likely to be given with authority (shouting really loudly) before any type of force is used. The officer clearly doesn't do this. It seemed that he let his anger get the best of him.

Also, I have to ask the police officers or law enforcement officials why would the BART police officer suddenly stop assisting the officer who was subduing and attempting to control Mr. Grant and quickly get up to back up a distance from Mr. Grant to discharge a weapon? Wouldn't this make it obvious that the BART police officer consciously knew that discharging his firearm from the distance he was while attempting to control the subject might be to close to discharge the firearm and so thus distancing himself, but close enough so he would have perfect aim and little error in not to harm the officer who was attempting to gain control of Mr. Grant, to avoid harm to himself?

In my humble opinion, I believe that by watching this video, there are so many reasons why one (a person being completely rational and logical and unbias towards the image of the officers who truly serve and protect the public) could rule against out ANY of the arguments that the officer had reason to fear for the lives and safety of himself or any of the officers surrounding him while attempting to control and arrest Mr. Grant. I suggest anyone to come up with anything that I've missed and I'd be very open to hearing it.

Therefore, I believe in my humble opinion that the officer who shot Mr. Grant acted outside his training as police officer and must be treated without exemption. He should be arrested and detained and charges should be made against him for murder. I ask that those within this jurisdiction of the shooting write to the District Attorney's office to file such charges and have the officer detained. He may act in the same manner and be a threat to the safety of the public. I understand he has a wife and recently had child, what if he harms his newborn baby the same way?

Likewise, ask yourself this question, if you shot a handcuffed person from the same distance that Mr. Grant was shot in the back and killed that person, and you being a regular citizen, where SHOULD and WOULD you be sitting right now regardless of the circumstances that led up to such a hypothetical event? Don't answer that question, instead, press the issue to make this officer responsible for his actions as we as citizens are responsible. Write letters, to the appropriate officials, fill up their voicemails everyday with phone calls and blast them e-mails by demand with authority for this justice it like it was a large sum of money someone owed you but hasn't paid you back yet!

Ok. After seeing the third video to surfce, the one that clearly shows the actions of the officers, it is a simple case of saying what you see...because that is what happend.

We see the cops manhandle the suspects (for whatever they were called for) quite roughly, taking no chances. They immobilise Bart face-down on the ground, and he is pat down, whereupon the officer draws his gun and it is fired. This was certainly not intentional as the gun is discharged without aim or purpose...it is a happenstance of accidental discharge of a weapon.
I do not doubt that had the gun not been discharged, the officer would have taken aim and warned Bart not to struggle, and (imo) he may then have have put his gun away and taken out his tazer, once he had calmed his wits.
The look and stance of both surprise and shock on the officer and his colleague, signify this was not an intentional act, but accidental manslaughter.

reply to post by elysiumfire


I was reading in the paper that Pearl Eye Centers are running a sale on a combination exam and a pair of glasses. You might want to look into that since it is 25% off.

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
That is the type of defeatist attitude the tyrants want us all to develop. With a cleaver trick they have defeated you with thoughts. The mathematical reality is that the tyrants are few and the hard working (unemployed) Americans are many.

Read any of my posts and the common thread is that the British and American governments are MASTERS of the PROXY WAR. The way to defeat them is to defund them. To defund them you must hold a TAX REVOLT and general strikes and never stop.

The majority of our military is busy killing brown skin people to take their oil. The police are paid through taxation or by private means (mercs). At some point our armies might not be able to get back home. Police and fire protection will start to get erratic and then decrease as crime rises.

My point being that the government essentially dominates through FEAR. Personally, I fear when my wife screams at me but I FEAR no government or man. What has not happened yet is that clear defined moment that Americans get sick and tired of being treated like SHEEP. 9-11 could have been that moment but it was squandered since in all likelihood 9-11 was part of how the government rules by FEAR.

On the top of Alpha's list are::
1) Protest Marches
2) General Strikes
3) Tax Revolts
4) Passive Resistance
5) Active Resistance
6) Full Resistance

Follow the Constitution so later on we don't have to write a new one!

I very much like this course of action, but just hope that there is a new system ready to be resurrected in its place. 200 years from now, we do not want to have to keep revolting against the same political corruptness over and over again, ad infinitum. The nations most philosophical, benevolent, and prospective people would definitely have to convene, and agree upon a new form of government, if any at all.

To stay not divert this thread anymore, care to make a thread about this?

[edit on 11-1-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]